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do you think zuko cared if aang killed ozai?

do you think zuko cared if aang killed ozai?

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    IrohtheTea

    [1]Aug 21, 2008
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    if aang killed ozai do you think zuko cared?

    at the beach zuko had flashbacks of good times with ursa and ozai.

    ozai seemed nice to zuko.

    although ozai banished him and abandoned him, do you think zuko still has some or any love for ozai?

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    gilvatar

    [2]Aug 21, 2008
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    Well, he was the one who told Aang he had to kill Ozai. But then @ the end it seems like he still kind of cares about him.
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    tawn11

    [3]Aug 21, 2008
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    He could, since he wanted to know more information about his mother.
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    isabelwhatx

    [4]Aug 21, 2008
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    I don't think Zuko would have cared out of compassion. I mean, Zuko even said that it was Aang's destiny to kill him, and he said it with a straight face. Zuko seemed pretty angry when he talked to Ozai in the prison cell. I don't think Zuko would've cared if Ozai had been killed. We have to remember that Ozai was never really a father to Zuko, so why should Zuko care for him like he was family? I think he would care if Azula died, though, as shown in TSR because she was partially there for him as a child. She at least warned him that Ozai was planning to kill him.
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    rgc19

    [5]Aug 21, 2008
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    Don't really think so. Zuko's big hope, even after his second exile, waa that his father would welcome him home one day. But then his old life back and realized how much he hated him (Ozai).

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    IrohtheTea

    [6]Aug 21, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I don't think Zuko would have cared out of compassion. I mean, Zuko even said that it was Aang's destiny to kill him, and he said it with a straight face. Zuko seemed pretty angry when he talked to Ozai in the prison cell. I don't think Zuko would've cared if Ozai had been killed. We have to remember that Ozai was never really a father to Zuko, so why should Zuko care for him like he was family? I think he would care if Azula died, though, as shown in TSR because she was partially there for him as a child. She at least warned him that Ozai was planning to kill him.

    but still, its his FATHER, dont you think he will feel a tiny bit of remorse?

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    Maylene

    [7]Aug 21, 2008
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    IrohtheTea wrote:
    but still, its his FATHER, dont you think he will feel a tiny bit of remorse?


    His own sister was balling at the end, and he wasn't remorseful. I doubt Zuko would have cared if Ozai died--considering he was the one telling Aang he had to kill him.
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    [8]Aug 21, 2008
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    Maylene wrote:
    IrohtheTea wrote:
    but still, its his FATHER, dont you think he will feel a tiny bit of remorse?
    His own sister was balling at the end, and he wasn't remorseful. I doubt Zuko would have cared if Ozai died--considering he was the one telling Aang he had to kill him.
    I think Zuko would have been remorseful had Aang killed Ozai. When he thought Azula was not going to make it during episode 3-16, Zuko showed genuine regret at the fate of his sister. Despite the current state of his relationship with both Ozai and Azula, there were some good times earlier in his life that involve both Ozai and Azula and I think he still cares for both of them.
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    littlewillie610

    [9]Aug 21, 2008
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    Zuko:"You're going to have to take the firelord's life before something..."So i'm not sure
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    Jackson5050

    [10]Aug 21, 2008
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    littlewillie610 wrote:
    Zuko:"You're going to have to take the firelord's life before something..."So i'm not sure
    He thought that taking Ozai's life would be the only way to stop the war. That does not mean that he would not have been remorseful at Ozai's death.
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    Axrendale

    [11]Aug 21, 2008
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    It's actually very hard to say. There are too seperate lines from Zuko in the finale that both offer differing answers to the question. When Zuko asks Iroh to kill Ozai in "The Old Masters", he slips unconsciously calls Ozai "the Fatherlord", instead of "the Firelord", indicating that Zuko still thinks of Ozai as his father, at least to a certain degree. However, at the end of "The Phoenix King", we get Zuko's line "You should be grateful that the Avatar chose to spare your life". The way Zuko says it makes it sound as though he is not at all sure that sparing Ozai was the right decision, and possibly even begrudges him having been spared. So it's hard to say. I'd say that it's definitely possible that Zuko is just as confused about the issue as we are.
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    [12]Aug 21, 2008
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    Maylene wrote:
    IrohtheTea wrote:
    but still, its his FATHER, dont you think he will feel a tiny bit of remorse?


    His own sister was balling at the end, and he wasn't remorseful. I doubt Zuko would have cared if Ozai died--considering he was the one telling Aang he had to kill him.
    Well, balling isn't dead, though.
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    avataraang113

    [13]Aug 21, 2008
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    thats like luke skywalker killing darth vader...right???? hehates him so he doesnt care.....but he's pist that he's his father
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    IrohtheTea

    [14]Aug 22, 2008
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    i think he would have a TINY bit of sadness/remorse.

    but not azula. i dont think she wouldve cared. at the finale, azula was happy that she was the firelord. but when ozai said he will be the pheonix king, she was disappointed. obviously she only cares about power. she doesnt really care about her father. who would? having ozai as a father.

    well for zuko, he IS human. and iroh too, he would have a little bit of sadness. i think no matter how much your family member treats you harshly (even branding his own son) you still love your family.

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    [15]Aug 22, 2008
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    i think he would feel a little bad, but Zuko probably wanted Aang to do that, but he didn't
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    isabelwhatx

    [16]Aug 22, 2008
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    IrohtheTea wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I don't think Zuko would have cared out of compassion. I mean, Zuko even said that it was Aang's destiny to kill him, and he said it with a straight face. Zuko seemed pretty angry when he talked to Ozai in the prison cell. I don't think Zuko would've cared if Ozai had been killed. We have to remember that Ozai was never really a father to Zuko, so why should Zuko care for him like he was family? I think he would care if Azula died, though, as shown in TSR because she was partially there for him as a child. She at least warned him that Ozai was planning to kill him.

    but still, its his FATHER, dont you think he will feel a tiny bit of remorse?


    Not according to one of the final scenes in the finale. He looked like he was on the verge of spitting on Ozai in his cell.
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    CorpseVendor

    [17]Aug 22, 2008
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    meh
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    -TheSecondSign-

    [18]Aug 22, 2008
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    No.

    He doesn't care in the slightest.

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    PsychoPass

    [19]Aug 23, 2008
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    Of course he would have cared! The fate of the world hinged on the death (or simply defeat) of his father. OK joke time is over.

    It honestly depends on how loosely you use the word "cared". If his father had been killed after all, would he have felt a bit sad? Regretful (losing his actual father)? Callously indifferent? Zuko always wanted his father to love and accept him pre-DOBS as confirmed in said episode. But once he finally realized that the "love" and "acceptance" he was looking for wasn't to be found in his relationship with his father, as well deciding that he has to do the right thing and his father is in the way of that, he lost that drive. He even said that his uncle was more of a real father to him showing that he now saw Iroh as his father figure. I will say that Zuko will have cared in the sense that he was losing his actual father but I don't believe he would have been shedding any tears over hit. Even though the redeemed Zuko entitled him to throwing away his anger and hatreds (I think so :p), he still bears a big grudge against his father. That's not to say that would make him jump into the air shouting, "YIPPEE!! HE'S FINALLY DEAD!!" or anything, rather, relief and happiness that the fire lord and subsequently the war had ended but a little grief over the knowledge that his actual father, and their relationship as dysfunctional as it was, had to end in such a way.

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    Falcondude123

    [20]Aug 23, 2008
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    Okay I voted 'nope', but then I remembered when Zuko confronted Ozai during the eclipse. He had the swords, but he didn't want to kill Ozai himself. Sure he said, "it's the avatar's destiny" to kill him, or whatever, but seriously, does that make much sense?
    We make our own destiny in this world. It's not someting that is predestined to happen!
    I think Zuko was just using asian nonsense to justify his dread of killing his own father.
    So, I think he actually DOES have feeling for his daddy, just that he knows Aang has to kill him to end the war.
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