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    LondonParisNYC

    [41]Jul 29, 2008
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    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    Edited on 07/29/2008 9:32pm
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    speechless8582

    [42]Jul 29, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?
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    robinhawk77

    [43]Jul 29, 2008
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    Zuko4eva wrote:

    With the end of Avatar, the viewers never had the chance to find out what exactly happened to Zuko's mother; Ursa. In the SDCC, the creators had said that they had the story board of the reunion between mother and son but a certain creator had decided to cut it and instead put in the scene of the gaang at the teashop.

    If you could choose, would you rather have seen the reunion of Zuko and Ursa which could have possibly come with the explanation of what happened that night of Azulon's death or that kiss between Katara and Aang which is a shipping the more realistic viewers already knew would happen anyways.

    In my opinion, I would have rather seen that reunion of Zuko and Ursa. Since the creators had already drawn a storyboard of it, we can safely assume that Ozai had in fact told Zuko where his mother was. So does that mean that Ozai has been in secret contact with his mother? Although by the tone of his voice in DoBS, Ozai seemed angry when talking about Ursa and what she had done rather than gratitude. There had been many theories of what could have happened that fateful night. With the fact that in Zuko Alone, the man who creamated Azulon and had crowned Ozai as to be Azulon's recessor had said that it was by Azulon's dying wish... so whatever was done to Azulon, it must have been done after he had changed his will. Perhaps he was held captive by Ursa, but then again Azulon is most likely a master at firebending and could defend himself though his age could have affected his bending skills... but then there is also Bumi, who is much older than Azulon and is a fit and able man despite his old age... so maybe Azulon wasn't as weak as he appeared to be. But something great must have happened for him to change his will and whatever killed him must have been afterward.

    But thanks to a certain creator, we will never know.... so if you had to choose... what would you have rather seen?

    And I'm not saying that the kiss wasn't important... because it was... I guess. lol



    nah, I'm going with the creators on this one.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [44]Jul 29, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

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    speechless8582

    [45]Jul 29, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [46]Jul 29, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

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    speechless8582

    [47]Jul 29, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [48]Jul 29, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.

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    Zuko4eva

    [49]Jul 29, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.



    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
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    Zuko4eva

    [50]Jul 29, 2008
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    robinhawk77 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:

    With the end of Avatar, the viewers never had the chance to find out what exactly happened to Zuko's mother; Ursa. In the SDCC, the creators had said that they had the story board of the reunion between mother and son but a certain creator had decided to cut it and instead put in the scene of the gaang at the teashop.

    If you could choose, would you rather have seen the reunion of Zuko and Ursa which could have possibly come with the explanation of what happened that night of Azulon's death or that kiss between Katara and Aang which is a shipping the more realistic viewers already knew would happen anyways.

    In my opinion, I would have rather seen that reunion of Zuko and Ursa. Since the creators had already drawn a storyboard of it, we can safely assume that Ozai had in fact told Zuko where his mother was. So does that mean that Ozai has been in secret contact with his mother? Although by the tone of his voice in DoBS, Ozai seemed angry when talking about Ursa and what she had done rather than gratitude. There had been many theories of what could have happened that fateful night. With the fact that in Zuko Alone, the man who creamated Azulon and had crowned Ozai as to be Azulon's recessor had said that it was by Azulon's dying wish... so whatever was done to Azulon, it must have been done after he had changed his will. Perhaps he was held captive by Ursa, but then again Azulon is most likely a master at firebending and could defend himself though his age could have affected his bending skills... but then there is also Bumi, who is much older than Azulon and is a fit and able man despite his old age... so maybe Azulon wasn't as weak as he appeared to be. But something great must have happened for him to change his will and whatever killed him must have been afterward.

    But thanks to a certain creator, we will never know.... so if you had to choose... what would you have rather seen?

    And I'm not saying that the kiss wasn't important... because it was... I guess. lol



    nah, I'm going with the creators on this one.


    lol okie dokie
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    speechless8582

    [51]Jul 29, 2008
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    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.



    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
    how do you know it was a few days later and not a few months?
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    Axrendale

    [52]Jul 29, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    Oh can it already. All we seem to hear from you people is how unsatisfying and cliche the ending was. Yes, its true. Epic legends have endings that are considered "cliche". It happened in Avatar. They did it in Star Wars. The ending of the Lord of the Rings was saturated in it. Harry Potter was not immune either. You would be hard pressed indeed to find a story written in the style that Avatar is written in that doesn't have such an ending. Even the ones that don't end with the heroes happy and celebrating their victory make sure to paint some happy vision for the future.

    The fact is that Avatar (along with all the stories mentioned above) adheres strictly to the "Hero's Journey" storyline outlined by Joseph Campbell in his book; "The Hero with a Thousand Faces". A major part of the storyline consists of the requirement of a happy ending for the hero. The simple fact is that the two choices we have here for an ending are closure for Zuko's tale, and closure for Aang's tale. And as much as some of the more die-hard Zuko fans out their might insist to the contrary, when all is said and done, Aang is the main charcter that the story revolves around. If there was any doubt about this left when we reached the finale, Zuko confirmed it with his line "The real hero is the Avatar". So when forced to make a choice between wrapping up Aang's major side-story (his love for Katara) or Zuko's (his mother), the writers chose Aang. Live with it.

    Now I want you to answer me this: In what way was the ending bad writing? Excluding the fact that Ursa's whereabouts were not confirmed, what on earth can possibly justify your statement that the teashop scene was "BAD, BAD, WRITING"? Before you say, there was plenty of evidence that Katara had feelings for Aang. You would have to be blind not to miss the evidence in "The Fortuneteller", "The Avatar State", "The Cave of Two Lovers", "The Desert", "The Serpent's Pass", "The Earth King", "The Crossroads of Destiny", "The Awakening", "The Headband", and DOBS part 1 (subtle but definite). Pretty much the only thing people have got left to throw at it is the scene in EIP. As to that, I would like to point out that Katara never denied having feelings for Aang, quite the opposite, she simply said that it wasn't the right time. Apparently she decided that once the war was over and there troubles with it, the time was right. Actually, if the writers had chosen to leave out the Kataang scene in favor of an Ursa/Zuko reunion scene, that would have been a true example of bad writing, dumping a romance side-plot that has been developed since the series first began.

    Don't get me wrong; I would love to have found out where Ursa is. But I fail to see where you are coming from when you say that her reunion with Zuko would have been any more meaningful than the kataang kiss. In many ways I think that the cliffhanger was actually beneficial to the series, providing people with an unanswered question, something that could continue to intrigue them, fan the spark of their love for Avatar to keep the flame alive. Personally, I believe that the unanswered question of where Ursa is is tied to the unanswered question of whether or not Azula will be able to heal from her madness. I know that you've seen my thread about that, so I won't start going on about it, but I would like to point out that between "The Beach" and the finale, the writers have paid just as much, if not more attention to Azula's relationship with her mother as Zuko's. With Azula headed at least temporarily for a secure mental facility, the writers, possibly thinking she should have an influence on that storyline, may have decided to delay it.

    I'll end here to prevent people from complaining that I've done another post that's too long. But I will say this. I have seen nothing in any of the complaints put forth by the complainers that suggest anything other than the fact that they did not like the ending. Well tough. From what I have seen so far, far more people liked the ending than did people who disliked it. You are entitled to your opinion and your right to give it to us, but do please stop harping on about how you didn't like it because you though it was too "sugary sweet".

    Edited on 07/29/2008 11:24pm
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    Zuko4eva

    [53]Jul 29, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.



    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
    how do you know it was a few days later and not a few months?


    whether it be a few days or months.... it should have been YEARS. i mean, a 100 year war! that's intense!
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    Axrendale

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    Zuko4eva wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.

    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
    how do you know it was a few days later and not a few months?
    whether it be a few days or months.... it should have been YEARS. i mean, a 100 year war! that's intense!

    Why can't everything work out perfectly? All three survivng nations have been returned to their rightful owners, everyone is commited to living in peace with eachother, after their herculean efforts, don't you think the gaang have earned the right to just sit around and relax a little?

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    Zuko4eva

    [55]Jul 30, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    Oh can it already. All we seem to hear from you people is how unsatisfying and cliche the ending was. Yes, its true. Epic legends have endings that are considered "cliche". It happened in Avatar. They did it in Star Wars. The ending of the Lord of the Rings was saturated in it. Harry Potter was not immune either. You would be hard pressed indeed to find a story written in the style that Avatar is written in that doesn't have such an ending. Even the ones that don't end with the heroes happy and celebrating their victory make sure to paint some happy vision for the future.

    The fact is that Avatar (along with all the stories mentioned above) adheres strictly to the "Hero's Journey" storyline outlined by Joseph Campbell in his book; "The Hero with a Thousand Faces". A major part of the storyline consists of the requirement of a happy ending for the hero. The simple fact is that the two choices we have here for an ending are closure for Zuko's tale, and closure for Aang's tale. And as much as some of the more die-hard Zuko fans out their might insist to the contrary, when all is said and done, Aang is the main charcter that the story revolves around. If there was any doubt about this left when we reached the finale, Zuko confirmed it with his line "The real hero is the Avatar". So when forced to make a choice between wrapping up Aang's major side-story (his love for Katara) or Zuko's (his mother), the writers chose Aang. Live with it.

    Now I want you to answer me this: In what way was the ending bad writing? Excluding the fact that Ursa's whereabouts were not confirmed, what on earth can possibly justify your statement that the teashop scene was "BAD, BAD, WRITING"? Before you say, there was plenty of evidence that Katara had feelings for Aang. You would have to be blind not to miss the evidence in "The Fortuneteller", "The Avatar State", "The Cave of Two Lovers", "The Desert", "The Serpent's Pass", "The Earth King", "The Crossroads of Destiny", "The Awakening", "The Headband", and DOBS part 1 (subtle but definite). Pretty much the only thing people have got left to throw at it is the scene in EIP. As to that, I would like to point out that Katara never denied having feelings for Aang, quite the opposite, she simply said that it wasn't the right time. Apparently she decided that once the war was over and there troubles with it, the time was right. Actually, if the writers had chosen to leave out the Kataang scene in favor of an Ursa/Zuko reunion scene, that would have been a true example of bad writing, dumping a romance side-plot that has been developed since the series first began.

    Don't get me wrong; I would love to have found out where Ursa is. But I fail to see where you are coming from when you say that her reunion with Zuko would have been any more meaningful than the kataang kiss. In many ways I think that the cliffhanger was actually beneficial to the series, providing people with an unanswered question, something that could continue to intrigue them, fan the spark of their love for Avatar to keep the flame alive. Personally, I believe that the unanswered question of where Ursa is is tied to the unanswered question of whether or not Azula will be able to heal from her madness. I know that you've seen my thread about that, so I won't start going on about it, but I would like to point out that between "The Beach" and the finale, the writers have paid just as much, if not more attention to Azula's relationship with her mother as Zuko's. With Azula headed at least temporarily for a secure mental facility, the writers, possibly thinking she should have an influence on that storyline, may have decided to delay it.

    I'll end here to prevent people from complaining that I've done another pist that's too long. But I will say this. I have seen nothing in any of the complaints put forth by the complainers that suggest anything other than the fact that yuo did not like the ending. Well tough. From what I have seen so far, far more people liked the ending than did people who disliked it. You are entitled to your opinion and your right to give it to us, but do please stop harping on about how you didn't like it because you though it was too "sugary sweet".



    lol yeah this was a really long post. well, i agree that Avatar The Last Airbender is Aang's story. It's great that he had closure but Zuko is just a big of a main character as Aang. I just feel that Zuko's story as well as Aang's deserves closure. And IMO Katara's just kinda crazy. lol with all that evidence proving that she obviously loves Aang... i just don't get why it mattered when she would outwardly show her love when on the inside she already does love him. nearly all the characters of the show found time for love (especially Sokka) and they did it regardless of the war. so i just don't get why she just couldn't kiss him and show her feelings for Aang long before the finale... which would have maybe left room for other things like the whole reunion of Zuko and Ursa.
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    Zuko4eva

    [56]Jul 30, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.

    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
    how do you know it was a few days later and not a few months?
    whether it be a few days or months.... it should have been YEARS. i mean, a 100 year war! that's intense!

    Why can't everything work out perfectly? All three survivng nations have been returned to their rightful owners, everyone is commited to living in peace with eachother, after their herculean efforts, don't you think the gaang have earned the right to just sit around and relax a little?



    but don't you think that the work is just starting... the Fire Nation has scarred the world as a whole and they have a lot of rebuilding to do and they have to reteach the Fire Nation a different way of life with less power and they have to create peace with the other nations. if you were terrorized for years by the Fire Nation.... it's not that easy to just forgive them. so who's to say that everyone is looking for peace and not revenge? Like in Zuko Alone, when that little boy Lee had told Zuko he hated him even after Zuko was so nice to him and his family. And the Fire nation itself has been taught to strive for power and to not stop until their nation was at the top. its going to take a long time for the Fire Nation to be taught a totally different way of life. Not everyong is looking for peace. Maybe just the people who were at Zuko's coronation seemed all happy... but those are the gaang's friends. What about everyone else who doesn't know the gaang. Wouldn't there be people looking for revenge against the Fire Nation or the Fire Nation itself not being able to change its way of life.
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    speechless8582

    [57]Jul 30, 2008
    • member since: 04/23/08
    • level: 12
    • rank: Evil Bert
    • posts: 2,644
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.

    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
    how do you know it was a few days later and not a few months?
    whether it be a few days or months.... it should have been YEARS. i mean, a 100 year war! that's intense!

    Why can't everything work out perfectly? All three survivng nations have been returned to their rightful owners, everyone is commited to living in peace with eachother, after their herculean efforts, don't you think the gaang have earned the right to just sit around and relax a little?



    but don't you think that the work is just starting... the Fire Nation has scarred the world as a whole and they have a lot of rebuilding to do and they have to reteach the Fire Nation a different way of life with less power and they have to create peace with the other nations. if you were terrorized for years by the Fire Nation.... it's not that easy to just forgive them. so who's to say that everyone is looking for peace and not revenge? Like in Zuko Alone, when that little boy Lee had told Zuko he hated him even after Zuko was so nice to him and his family. And the Fire nation itself has been taught to strive for power and to not stop until their nation was at the top. its going to take a long time for the Fire Nation to be taught a totally different way of life. Not everyong is looking for peace. Maybe just the people who were at Zuko's coronation seemed all happy... but those are the gaang's friends. What about everyone else who doesn't know the gaang. Wouldn't there be people looking for revenge against the Fire Nation or the Fire Nation itself not being able to change its way of life.
    it is going to be work, Zuko even said it himself "the road ahead will be challenging" (something like that). I think the point of the ending was to show that at least for the gaang, there is peace at last. There is nothing there to say that everything is perfect with the world, because everything isnt perfect. But the ending was meant to bring closue on the gaang, and it did.
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    Axrendale

    [58]Jul 30, 2008
    • member since: 06/30/08
    • level: 10
    • rank: Holy Level 10!
    • posts: 2,640
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.

    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
    how do you know it was a few days later and not a few months?
    whether it be a few days or months.... it should have been YEARS. i mean, a 100 year war! that's intense!

    Why can't everything work out perfectly? All three survivng nations have been returned to their rightful owners, everyone is commited to living in peace with eachother, after their herculean efforts, don't you think the gaang have earned the right to just sit around and relax a little?

    but don't you think that the work is just starting... the Fire Nation has scarred the world as a whole and they have a lot of rebuilding to do and they have to reteach the Fire Nation a different way of life with less power and they have to create peace with the other nations. if you were terrorized for years by the Fire Nation.... it's not that easy to just forgive them. so who's to say that everyone is looking for peace and not revenge? Like in Zuko Alone, when that little boy Lee had told Zuko he hated him even after Zuko was so nice to him and his family. And the Fire nation itself has been taught to strive for power and to not stop until their nation was at the top. its going to take a long time for the Fire Nation to be taught a totally different way of life. Not everyong is looking for peace. Maybe just the people who were at Zuko's coronation seemed all happy... but those are the gaang's friends. What about everyone else who doesn't know the gaang. Wouldn't there be people looking for revenge against the Fire Nation or the Fire Nation itself not being able to change its way of life.
    it is going to be work, Zuko even said it himself "the road ahead will be challenging" (something like that). I think the point of the ending was to show that at least for the gaang, there is peace at last. There is nothing there to say that everything is perfect with the world, because everything isnt perfect. But the ending was meant to bring closue on the gaang, and it did.

    QFT

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    Zuko4eva

    [59]Jul 30, 2008
    • member since: 05/14/06
    • level: 6
    • rank: Small Wonder
    • posts: 139
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.

    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
    how do you know it was a few days later and not a few months?
    whether it be a few days or months.... it should have been YEARS. i mean, a 100 year war! that's intense!

    Why can't everything work out perfectly? All three survivng nations have been returned to their rightful owners, everyone is commited to living in peace with eachother, after their herculean efforts, don't you think the gaang have earned the right to just sit around and relax a little?



    but don't you think that the work is just starting... the Fire Nation has scarred the world as a whole and they have a lot of rebuilding to do and they have to reteach the Fire Nation a different way of life with less power and they have to create peace with the other nations. if you were terrorized for years by the Fire Nation.... it's not that easy to just forgive them. so who's to say that everyone is looking for peace and not revenge? Like in Zuko Alone, when that little boy Lee had told Zuko he hated him even after Zuko was so nice to him and his family. And the Fire nation itself has been taught to strive for power and to not stop until their nation was at the top. its going to take a long time for the Fire Nation to be taught a totally different way of life. Not everyong is looking for peace. Maybe just the people who were at Zuko's coronation seemed all happy... but those are the gaang's friends. What about everyone else who doesn't know the gaang. Wouldn't there be people looking for revenge against the Fire Nation or the Fire Nation itself not being able to change its way of life.
    it is going to be work, Zuko even said it himself "the road ahead will be challenging" (something like that). I think the point of the ending was to show that at least for the gaang, there is peace at last. There is nothing there to say that everything is perfect with the world, because everything isnt perfect. But the ending was meant to bring closue on the gaang, and it did.


    If you say so...
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    Zuko4eva

    [60]Jul 30, 2008
    • member since: 05/14/06
    • level: 6
    • rank: Small Wonder
    • posts: 139
    Axrendale wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    I'll make this short and sweet:

    THE TEA SHOP WAS RIDICULOUSLY CLICHE. they decided instead to give something insightful, to shove this surgury sweet banality down our throats in it's place.

    this has nothing to with kataang (altough i am a zutarian) this has to do with BAD, BAD WRITING.

    how else would you write it then?

    I don't know. I'd to think about it.

    mmhmmm. i'm sticking with my opinion that the ending was a beautiful contrast to the rough lives they had lived during the war.

    and i'm gonna stick with my opinion that the ending was a truism

    i just dont see how else the ending could have been written to satisfy you.

    honestly, i'd have to think about. I guess to me, all the loose ends were tied too quickly, and that everyone in a tea shop as one big happy family...ehhh. I don't like when everything works out perfectly.

    yeah i have to agree with you. it was very cliche happy ending. it was a 100 year war. people everywhere were dying. families were suffering. spirits were breaking. and within a few days of its end... the whole gaang seems to have forgotten about it? i mean, wasn't there even an after effect? with a war that great, nothing could be back to "normal" within a few days... it would take years. and they are all out having tea in the Earth Kingdom as if nothing was ever there or happened...
    how do you know it was a few days later and not a few months?
    whether it be a few days or months.... it should have been YEARS. i mean, a 100 year war! that's intense!

    Why can't everything work out perfectly? All three survivng nations have been returned to their rightful owners, everyone is commited to living in peace with eachother, after their herculean efforts, don't you think the gaang have earned the right to just sit around and relax a little?

    but don't you think that the work is just starting... the Fire Nation has scarred the world as a whole and they have a lot of rebuilding to do and they have to reteach the Fire Nation a different way of life with less power and they have to create peace with the other nations. if you were terrorized for years by the Fire Nation.... it's not that easy to just forgive them. so who's to say that everyone is looking for peace and not revenge? Like in Zuko Alone, when that little boy Lee had told Zuko he hated him even after Zuko was so nice to him and his family. And the Fire nation itself has been taught to strive for power and to not stop until their nation was at the top. its going to take a long time for the Fire Nation to be taught a totally different way of life. Not everyong is looking for peace. Maybe just the people who were at Zuko's coronation seemed all happy... but those are the gaang's friends. What about everyone else who doesn't know the gaang. Wouldn't there be people looking for revenge against the Fire Nation or the Fire Nation itself not being able to change its way of life.
    it is going to be work, Zuko even said it himself "the road ahead will be challenging" (something like that). I think the point of the ending was to show that at least for the gaang, there is peace at last. There is nothing there to say that everything is perfect with the world, because everything isnt perfect. But the ending was meant to bring closue on the gaang, and it did.

    QFT


    what does QFT stand for? lol
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