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    Zuko4eva

    [1]Jul 28, 2008
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    With the end of Avatar, the viewers never had the chance to find out what exactly happened to Zuko's mother; Ursa. In the SDCC, the creators had said that they had the story board of the reunion between mother and son but a certain creator had decided to cut it and instead put in the scene of the gaang at the teashop.

    If you could choose, would you rather have seen the reunion of Zuko and Ursa which could have possibly come with the explanation of what happened that night of Azulon's death or that kiss between Katara and Aang which is a shipping the more realistic viewers already knew would happen anyways.

    In my opinion, I would have rather seen that reunion of Zuko and Ursa. Since the creators had already drawn a storyboard of it, we can safely assume that Ozai had in fact told Zuko where his mother was. So does that mean that Ozai has been in secret contact with his mother? Although by the tone of his voice in DoBS, Ozai seemed angry when talking about Ursa and what she had done rather than gratitude. There had been many theories of what could have happened that fateful night. With the fact that in Zuko Alone, the man who creamated Azulon and had crowned Ozai as to be Azulon's recessor had said that it was by Azulon's dying wish... so whatever was done to Azulon, it must have been done after he had changed his will. Perhaps he was held captive by Ursa, but then again Azulon is most likely a master at firebending and could defend himself though his age could have affected his bending skills... but then there is also Bumi, who is much older than Azulon and is a fit and able man despite his old age... so maybe Azulon wasn't as weak as he appeared to be. But something great must have happened for him to change his will and whatever killed him must have been afterward.

    But thanks to a certain creator, we will never know.... so if you had to choose... what would you have rather seen?

    And I'm not saying that the kiss wasn't important... because it was... I guess. lol

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    Jackpot16

    [2]Jul 28, 2008
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    idk... I guess I would have kept the teashop. Because at the end they looked peaceful... and at the end of the series... they tried to squeeze the last humor and romance they could as possible. And if they saw the reunion... everyone would comment and make threads... like what happened to aang and Katara... how come they didn't show the gang at the end... what about Uncles teashop... how come Aang and Katara didn't kiss... and stuff like that. So in my opinion... they ended the shop the best way they could.
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    Catdog08

    [3]Jul 28, 2008
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    Both, them leaving out the reunion was a bad idea. The entire setup of the finale was a bad idea. I think Nick should have ordered 30 episodes instead of the lone 21 because Bryke did all their best to make great episodes before the finale ones. Its like Bryke condensed 10 episodes of good stuff into 4 because they did not have enough money provided by Nick. I guess you can blame Nick for the badly executed finale.
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    slumshoes

    [4]Jul 28, 2008
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    Personally, I want to see Zuko reunited with his mother. That would be very emotional to witness and probably a better ending than that kiss. I believe Zuko still haven't located Ursa in that Tea House Scene, and had just started with his journey of finding her. I mean, c'mon, what could be the reason Zuko went back to Ba Sing Se other than seeing Iroh again. There has to be a continuation...probably after that kiss, Zuko and the Gaang bid farewell to Iroh then help Zuko find Ursa. Afterward Toph went home to her parents, and so is the rest of the Gaang. A one big happy ending...but a bit dull.
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    ross93

    [5]Jul 28, 2008
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    if they put both in it would have been great
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    slumshoes

    [6]Jul 28, 2008
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    Catdog08 wrote:
    Both, them leaving out the reunion was a bad idea. The entire setup of the finale was a bad idea. I think Nick should have ordered 30 episodes instead of the lone 21 because Bryke did all their best to make great episodes before the finale ones. Its like Bryke condensed 10 episodes of good stuff into 4 because they did not have enough money provided by Nick. I guess you can blame Nick for the badly executed finale.


    Indeed, blame Nick not Bryke. It's not their fault the show was crammed into a few eps with a lot of loose ends.
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    Zuko4eva

    [7]Jul 28, 2008
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    I do agree that Nick has a lot to be blamed for but the creators of the show I suppose should have found a way to answer all questions since it can be safe to assume that they don't really plan on telling more stories revolving the gaang. they could have found a way to do so within the 21 episodes of each season if they had done so instead of the filler episodes that were featured in the seasons.
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    doomed_soul89

    [8]Jul 28, 2008
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    I think they deceided to cut it so that avatar would have a better chance for a season 4/another series, so i'm glad with what they showed but i would rather seen the reunion
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    Jackson5050

    [9]Jul 28, 2008
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    I am glad they finished with the tea shop. It gave a sense of finality to the series. I also think the unresolved issue with Ursa is a nice setup for something else Avatar related.
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    slumshoes

    [10]Jul 28, 2008
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    Jackson5050 wrote:
    I am glad they finished with the tea shop. It gave a sense of finality to the series. I also think the unresolved issue with Ursa is a nice setup for something else Avatar related.
    Finality? Actuality it's the opposite of that. The Tea Shop scene left a lot of loose ends.

    BTW I dig that angry Azula pic

    Edited on 07/28/2008 8:53pm
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    _eDdySON_

    [11]Jul 28, 2008
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    slumshoes wrote:

    Jackson5050 wrote:
    I am glad they finished with the tea shop. It gave a sense of finality to the series. I also think the unresolved issue with Ursa is a nice setup for something else Avatar related.
    Finality? Actuality it's the opposite of that. The Tea Shop scene left a lot of loose ends.

    BTW I dig that angry Azula pic

    I don't think so. Had they left out the Tea Shop scene, the entire avatar series wouldn't have had that, "...and they lived happily ever after" kind of tone. It was the closing scene for the entire cast of major characters, so that scene was very important.

    However, I did think that it was very irresponsible for them to end the show with a slew of unanswered questions, the most important being, "Where is Zuko's mother?" And because of that, the series lacked finality. The tea shop scene should not be scorned for that.

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    Zuko4eva

    [12]Jul 28, 2008
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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    I think they deceided to cut it so that avatar would have a better chance for a season 4/another series, so i'm glad with what they showed but i would rather seen the reunion


    They are not planning on a season 4 of avatar and if they were it would be a whole new gang. they have made it clear that the gaang's story is Finished. So if they were gonna end it anyway and start a whole new story, they should have at least answered all the questions. And I agree that the tea shop scene should be scorned for that reason.. I mean, this whole Kataang thing... they could have found an earlier way to show that. Yeah I get that there was a war going on and everything, but even so, Aang knew what his feelings were and Katara was just being stubborn... obviously she was already falling for Aang. They could have settled the whole thing a lot earlier then right at the very end. There could have been better things to show.
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    IrohtheTea

    [13]Jul 28, 2008
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    slumshoes wrote:
    Catdog08 wrote:
    Both, them leaving out the reunion was a bad idea. The entire setup of the finale was a bad idea. I think Nick should have ordered 30 episodes instead of the lone 21 because Bryke did all their best to make great episodes before the finale ones. Its like Bryke condensed 10 episodes of good stuff into 4 because they did not have enough money provided by Nick. I guess you can blame Nick for the badly executed finale.
    Indeed, blame Nick not Bryke. It's not their fault the show was crammed into a few eps with a lot of loose ends.

    agreed.

    when did nickelodeon shows got invaded by that retarded sponge and a queer squid?

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    speechless8582

    [14]Jul 29, 2008
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    IrohtheTea wrote:

    slumshoes wrote:
    Catdog08 wrote:
    Both, them leaving out the reunion was a bad idea. The entire setup of the finale was a bad idea. I think Nick should have ordered 30 episodes instead of the lone 21 because Bryke did all their best to make great episodes before the finale ones. Its like Bryke condensed 10 episodes of good stuff into 4 because they did not have enough money provided by Nick. I guess you can blame Nick for the badly executed finale.
    Indeed, blame Nick not Bryke. It's not their fault the show was crammed into a few eps with a lot of loose ends.

    agreed.

    when did nickelodeon shows got invaded by that retarded sponge and a queer squid?

    1999. but i thought the ending and the entire finale was perfect...
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    Pablo_808

    [15]Jul 29, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    IrohtheTea wrote:

    slumshoes wrote:
    Catdog08 wrote:
    Both, them leaving out the reunion was a bad idea. The entire setup of the finale was a bad idea. I think Nick should have ordered 30 episodes instead of the lone 21 because Bryke did all their best to make great episodes before the finale ones. Its like Bryke condensed 10 episodes of good stuff into 4 because they did not have enough money provided by Nick. I guess you can blame Nick for the badly executed finale.
    Indeed, blame Nick not Bryke. It's not their fault the show was crammed into a few eps with a lot of loose ends.

    agreed.

    when did nickelodeon shows got invaded by that retarded sponge and a queer squid?

    1999. but i thought the ending and the entire finale was perfect...

    I too agree that the finale was perfect. Had pretty much all things I loved in the series wrapped up in one package. I for one, like the cliffhanger ending that the finale left us with. Makes me excited even more to watch the minisodes that will be coming out soon.

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    Axrendale

    [16]Jul 29, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:

    i thought the ending and the entire finale was perfect...

    QFT

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    speechless8582

    [17]Jul 29, 2008
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    Pablo_808 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    IrohtheTea wrote:

    slumshoes wrote:
    Catdog08 wrote:
    Both, them leaving out the reunion was a bad idea. The entire setup of the finale was a bad idea. I think Nick should have ordered 30 episodes instead of the lone 21 because Bryke did all their best to make great episodes before the finale ones. Its like Bryke condensed 10 episodes of good stuff into 4 because they did not have enough money provided by Nick. I guess you can blame Nick for the badly executed finale.
    Indeed, blame Nick not Bryke. It's not their fault the show was crammed into a few eps with a lot of loose ends.

    agreed.

    when did nickelodeon shows got invaded by that retarded sponge and a queer squid?

    1999. but i thought the ending and the entire finale was perfect...

    I too agree that the finale was perfect. Had pretty much all things I loved in the series wrapped up in one package. I for one, like the cliffhanger ending that the finale left us with. Makes me excited even more to watch the minisodes that will be coming out soon.

    yay! i'm not alone!
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    slumshoes

    [18]Jul 29, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    Pablo_808 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    IrohtheTea wrote:

    slumshoes wrote:
    Catdog08 wrote:
    Both, them leaving out the reunion was a bad idea. The entire setup of the finale was a bad idea. I think Nick should have ordered 30 episodes instead of the lone 21 because Bryke did all their best to make great episodes before the finale ones. Its like Bryke condensed 10 episodes of good stuff into 4 because they did not have enough money provided by Nick. I guess you can blame Nick for the badly executed finale.
    Indeed, blame Nick not Bryke. It's not their fault the show was crammed into a few eps with a lot of loose ends.

    agreed.

    when did nickelodeon shows got invaded by that retarded sponge and a queer squid?

    1999. but i thought the ending and the entire finale was perfect...

    I too agree that the finale was perfect. Had pretty much all things I loved in the series wrapped up in one package. I for one, like the cliffhanger ending that the finale left us with. Makes me excited even more to watch the minisodes that will be coming out soon.

    yay! i'm not alone!


    What is a perfect ending?
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    Pablo_808

    [19]Jul 29, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    Pablo_808 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    IrohtheTea wrote:

    slumshoes wrote:
    Catdog08 wrote:
    Both, them leaving out the reunion was a bad idea. The entire setup of the finale was a bad idea. I think Nick should have ordered 30 episodes instead of the lone 21 because Bryke did all their best to make great episodes before the finale ones. Its like Bryke condensed 10 episodes of good stuff into 4 because they did not have enough money provided by Nick. I guess you can blame Nick for the badly executed finale.
    Indeed, blame Nick not Bryke. It's not their fault the show was crammed into a few eps with a lot of loose ends.

    agreed.

    when did nickelodeon shows got invaded by that retarded sponge and a queer squid?

    1999. but i thought the ending and the entire finale was perfect...

    I too agree that the finale was perfect. Had pretty much all things I loved in the series wrapped up in one package. I for one, like the cliffhanger ending that the finale left us with. Makes me excited even more to watch the minisodes that will be coming out soon.

    yay! i'm not alone!

    Trust me, there's more like us out there.

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    spidercoyote

    [20]Jul 29, 2008
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    I liked the teashop reunion scene, but also agree that some indication as to what happened to Zuko's mother would have been satisfying as well. I certainly don't blame the writers for not having done that, given the funding situation. If we ever do get the answer, however, it may not be what we think, because we're all assuming Ozai actually told Zuko the truth about what happened that night.

    It must be said that one of Ozai's best bending abilities, which he still has, and which he shares with Azula, is bending the truth to suit his purposes, and he was trying to emotionally jerk Zuko around at the time he supposedly revealed Ursa's fate. It's quite possible that what actually happened was that Ozai's punishment was to be passed over in the succession altogether in favor of Zuko, with no chance of ever becoming firelord even if Iroh didn't want it. If that were the case, Ozai might have assassinated Azulon himself, then lied to Ursa (and Azula, and the people of the Fire Nation) about what Azulon had said. He might have let Ursa think he had killed his father to protect Zuko. Ursa may have agreed to take the fall out of gratitude for his having "saved" their son, thinking that Zuko might still be in danger if there was any suspicion that Ozai had murdered the firelord. Or Ozai could have blackmailed her into it with Zuko's safety as the price. It's not really clear what their relationship was at the time. It also never made sense that a man who loved his son as much as Azulon obviously loved Iroh would just capriciously do away with his innocent (and at that point only) grandson. Disinheriting Ozai would have been a more just solution, as Ozai was the one who had angered him.

    Whether that's the truth or not, I would have liked to have seen more, in flashback, of Zuko's family when they were happy, and why that changed. Did that begin when his mother left? And there are so many questions unanswered. How much did Ozai love Ursa? Was part of his overblown anger at Zuko's "disrespect" and "weakness" fueled by having lost her for Zuko's sake? It was hard to tell, in the episode which showed these events, whether Ozai's reaction to Zuko's questions about his mother's whereabouts immediately after Azulon's death was caused by grief or coldness. I guess that's really an indication of what a good story this was, that there's so much you can wonder about, and read into it.

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