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    Zuko4eva

    [81]Jul 30, 2008
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    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:

    maybe if they show it where their voices can't be heard and music is playing throughout the montage... they could show some waterbenders from the northern watertribe helping out the southern watertribe cause Pakku is married to Gran Gran so it'd make sense if he was there to help her rebuild and Katara and Sokka and their father would come back there too. Next a clip of Toph hugging her parents and them crying and smiling. And then everyone else is in the Earth Kingdom helping out the people there. And then at the end is the teashop scene. And at the teashop scene is where the music stops and audio is heard again. Not that long... since they are just a few clips.
    But then arent you contradicting yourself? You just said after everything that happened, everything this war put the world through, that it's not going to just be perfect the day it ends. And i agree with you, but if they did the ending you just said, well you are contradicting yourself. I dont think they should have added stuff like that because the world wont be perfect, and it needs time and healing before the world could truly be at peace.


    I'm not saying that the montage fixes the whole world within a few days... but at least it would show the gaang and other people taking steps to actually do what they said they would do. and if the gaang was going to take time off to drink tea at least they would have done it after doing some hard work.
    forgive me...but i think after saving the entire world, they should get a break. They definitely deserve it, even if they didnt help with rebuilding the world (which we know they did, we know Aang said him and Zuko would, and whatever Aang does the gAang does. I doubt they would make him do it all alone.)


    but i think you were the one that said before that the tea shop scene could have been months after anyways. so if it was months after then there is no harm in showing what they could have been doing in those months.
    but where would they fit that in? there would be no time, it would make everything more rushed. i think its the perfect thing to put in a mini-episode later (lawl, wishful thinking) but it wouldnt have fit in with the finale. I'll say what i've said before that the ending was about getting closure on the gaang, not on the world. Bryke purposely did not want closure on the world so they have their options open in the future.


    yeah I suppose they could show the aftershock in their new series with their new characters from different parts of the world...
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    speechless8582

    [82]Jul 30, 2008
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    i like debating with you guys/girls XD It's nice to know we can debate respectfully of each other.
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    Zuko4eva

    [83]Jul 30, 2008
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    lol me too. the intellect level is welcoming.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [84]Jul 30, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:

    I disagree with you 100%.

    I'm 16 too, and when I'm not being an amateur historian I also like to think of myself as something of a writer, not to mention an incredibly avid reader of all different genres, so I guess that point is a stalemate.

    Your main problem with the ending seems to be that you think it was "cut off", "dry, predictable", etc. You neglect the fact that the series has been leading to such an ending for some time now. All the complex plot points plot points were resolved, because that's what the finale was about; not starting new plot points, ending the old ones in a manner consistent with what we had previously seen. We all saw what direction they were heading; we could predict what was going to happen. Sudden twists that changed everything might have worked great for the season two finale, but for the final one ran the risk of distorting the plot and ruining the show.

    It has been brought up many times; we have no idea how much time passed between the coronation and the teas-shop scene. We didn't see the post war reconstruction effort because quite frankly that's not interesting. We know that it's happening, ha we want to see is something to let us know that people are recovering emotionally as well as physically; children have come back out to play in the streets, which are once again safe, and most importantly, we see the heroes taking a long deserved break.

    I repeat: For three seasons now we have watched the heroes as they struggled with their destinies. Now they have achieved everything they set out to do; the world is at peace, people are steadily working to put the world back together, the natural balance is reasserting itself. far from being dry and empty, the happy scene at the end is a confirmation, letting us know that the world is leaning towards right now, that good has triumphed and we can cheer for, a moment of sheer joy that we can revel in.

    In the final analysis perhaps Avatar's greatest accomplishment was the creation of genuine, real characters whom we can fall in love with and wish the best for. We want them to be happy, because we have cheered them on and seeing their triumph in some way connects with us at a deeper level to become our own triumph.

    That is what most people have seen in the finale (or at least I have), and even though you obviously do not appreciate it in the same light, at least know that for many of us what you saw as empty space was not empty at all.

    Endings and goodbyes are usually times of emotion rather than rational thought, and this was even more so. It's masterpiece was to fill those who truly appreciated it with overpowering, true emotion. The people who had such an experience did indeed recognize the finale for what it was; a happy ending, not just for the characters, but for the viewers too.

    That is as close as I can come to an approximation of how I felt watching the finale anyway. No doubt everyone who watched it recieved a different impression. But any ending that can inspire such strng feelings in not just a few fans but many is anything but "dry and empty".

    well all though you make valid points, I gotta agree to disagree.

    To me, it was a truism, to you, it was perfect.

    Plust the whole forum has turned against me lol.

    Which is really weird and this as nothing to do with anything but like today i was doing something and I have Pure O, so i was like typing something complelty irrevlent to this on a dif forum and suddenly i suddenly had i spike and I was like "hmm if i don't do this right, then a forum is gonna turn against me." but i decided not to give into the compulsion, and like a forum turned against me! soo weird. Hard to explain to people without OCD.

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    Zuko4eva

    [85]Jul 30, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    I disagree with you 100%.

    I'm 16 too, and when I'm not being an amateur historian I also like to think of myself as something of a writer, not to mention an incredibly avid reader of all different genres, so I guess that point is a stalemate.

    Your main problem with the ending seems to be that you think it was "cut off", "dry, predictable", etc. You neglect the fact that the series has been leading to such an ending for some time now. All the complex plot points plot points were resolved, because that's what the finale was about; not starting new plot points, ending the old ones in a manner consistent with what we had previously seen. We all saw what direction they were heading; we could predict what was going to happen. Sudden twists that changed everything might have worked great for the season two finale, but for the final one ran the risk of distorting the plot and ruining the show.

    It has been brought up many times; we have no idea how much time passed between the coronation and the teas-shop scene. We didn't see the post war reconstruction effort because quite frankly that's not interesting. We know that it's happening, ha we want to see is something to let us know that people are recovering emotionally as well as physically; children have come back out to play in the streets, which are once again safe, and most importantly, we see the heroes taking a long deserved break.

    I repeat: For three seasons now we have watched the heroes as they struggled with their destinies. Now they have achieved everything they set out to do; the world is at peace, people are steadily working to put the world back together, the natural balance is reasserting itself. far from being dry and empty, the happy scene at the end is a confirmation, letting us know that the world is leaning towards right now, that good has triumphed and we can cheer for, a moment of sheer joy that we can revel in.

    In the final analysis perhaps Avatar's greatest accomplishment was the creation of genuine, real characters whom we can fall in love with and wish the best for. We want them to be happy, because we have cheered them on and seeing their triumph in some way connects with us at a deeper level to become our own triumph.

    That is what most people have seen in the finale (or at least I have), and even though you obviously do not appreciate it in the same light, at least know that for many of us what you saw as empty space was not empty at all.

    Endings and goodbyes are usually times of emotion rather than rational thought, and this was even more so. It's masterpiece was to fill those who truly appreciated it with overpowering, true emotion. The people who had such an experience did indeed recognize the finale for what it was; a happy ending, not just for the characters, but for the viewers too.

    That is as close as I can come to an approximation of how I felt watching the finale anyway. No doubt everyone who watched it recieved a different impression. But any ending that can inspire such strng feelings in not just a few fans but many is anything but "dry and empty".

    well all though you make valid points, I gotta agree to disagree.

    To me, it was a truism, to you, it was perfect.

    Plust the whole forum has turned against me lol.

    Which is really weird and this as nothing to do with anything but like today i was doing something and I have Pure O, so i was like typing something complelty irrevlent to this on a dif forum and suddenly i suddenly had i spike and I was like "hmm if i don't do this right, then a forum is gonna turn against me." but i decided not to give into the compulsion, and like a forum turned against me! soo weird. Hard to explain to people without OCD.



    lol what??? you're last paragraph was really confusing. I didn't get anything you were saying.

    O.= smiley Zuzu agrees. he too is confuzzled.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [86]Jul 30, 2008
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    Zuko4eva wrote:

    lol what??? you're last paragraph was really confusing. I didn't get anything you were saying. O.= smiley Zuzu agrees. he too is confuzzled.

    lol don't worry about it. It's difficult to explain, and would most likely make no sense.

    Sorry i took so long to respond, I was busy making this =p

    lol eli stone.

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    Zuko4eva

    [87]Jul 30, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:

    lol what??? you're last paragraph was really confusing. I didn't get anything you were saying. O.= smiley Zuzu agrees. he too is confuzzled.

    lol don't worry about it. It's difficult to explain, and would most likely make no sense.

    Sorry i took so long to respond, I was busy making this =p

    lol eli stone.



    lol i think it would make more sense if i actually knew who eli stone is lol O.= its all smiley zuzu's fault.
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    LondonParisNYC

    [88]Jul 30, 2008
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    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:

    lol what??? you're last paragraph was really confusing. I didn't get anything you were saying. O.= smiley Zuzu agrees. he too is confuzzled.

    lol don't worry about it. It's difficult to explain, and would most likely make no sense.

    Sorry i took so long to respond, I was busy making this =p

    lol eli stone.

    lol i think it would make more sense if i actually knew who eli stone is lol O.= its all smiley zuzu's fault.

    awww it's a such a good show. Linkity xD

    lol this is the orginal pic.

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    Zuko4eva

    [89]Jul 30, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:

    lol what??? you're last paragraph was really confusing. I didn't get anything you were saying. O.= smiley Zuzu agrees. he too is confuzzled.

    lol don't worry about it. It's difficult to explain, and would most likely make no sense.

    Sorry i took so long to respond, I was busy making this =p

    lol eli stone.

    lol i think it would make more sense if i actually knew who eli stone is lol O.= its all smiley zuzu's fault.

    awww it's a such a good show. Linkity xD

    lol this is the orginal pic.



    lol is that the guy who can see singing holy people like angels? or am i thinking of a totally different thing?
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    Zuko4eva

    [90]Jul 30, 2008
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    oh and where did you get a picture of Zuko in that pose? like what epi was that in?
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    LondonParisNYC

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    Zuko4eva wrote:

    lol is that the guy who can see singing holy people like angels? or am i thinking of a totally different thing?

    "San Francisco lawyer Eli Stone begins to see things, which leads him to discover a brain aneurysm. But his visions lead him to accept cases with little monetary gain but a lot of moral goodness."

    possibly??

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    Zuko4eva

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:

    lol is that the guy who can see singing holy people like angels? or am i thinking of a totally different thing?

    "San Francisco lawyer Eli Stone begins to see things, which leads him to discover a brain aneurysm. But his visions lead him to accept cases with little monetary gain but a lot of moral goodness."

    possibly??



    uh... i don't know if it's the same show I'm thinking of. All i remember is a commercial with a guy in a suit walking into this office environment and some wierd guy was singing while standing on a table with lights coming from the background... um yea.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    Zuko4eva wrote:
    oh and where did you get a picture of Zuko in that pose? like what epi was that in?

    it was from the southern raiders episode, when Katara makes that big water dome thing.

    yep.

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    LondonParisNYC

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    Zuko4eva wrote:
    uh... i don't know if it's the same show I'm thinking of. All i remember is a commercial with a guy in a suit walking into this office environment and some wierd guy was singing while standing on a table with lights coming from the background... um yea.

    lol yeah that's the show. Btw: the guy on the table is pop sensation George Micheals:

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    Zuko4eva

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Zuko4eva wrote:
    oh and where did you get a picture of Zuko in that pose? like what epi was that in?

    it was from the southern raiders episode, when Katara makes that big water dome thing.

    yep.



    oh. i thought that was a really wierd picture since he's pulling his collar down so it looks like he was troubled or something....
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    Zuko4eva

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Zuko4eva wrote:
    uh... i don't know if it's the same show I'm thinking of. All i remember is a commercial with a guy in a suit walking into this office environment and some wierd guy was singing while standing on a table with lights coming from the background... um yea.

    lol yeah that's the show. Btw: the guy on the table is pop sensation George Micheals:



    lol pop sensation???... never heard of him. but yea he looks familiar. i think we are thinking of the same show. lol is there a lot of singing in this show?
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    LondonParisNYC

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    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Zuko4eva wrote:
    oh and where did you get a picture of Zuko in that pose? like what epi was that in?

    it was from the southern raiders episode, when Katara makes that big water dome thing.

    yep.

    oh. i thought that was a really wierd picture since he's pulling his collar down so it looks like he was troubled or something....

    Yeah, it's kinda weird, but I need a picture of him looking up to the left, so it would fit the image. Lol i think he's really like freaked out by katara crazy like revenge against that old dude.

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    LondonParisNYC

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    Zuko4eva wrote:
    lol pop sensation???... never heard of him. but yea he looks familiar. i think we are thinking of the same show. lol is there a lot of singing in this show?

    lol hes like REALLY REALLY famous. Or was at least he used to be.

    Uhm not really, Sometimes when Eli has a vision there is singing, but it's not really the main of the show.

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    Zuko4eva

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Zuko4eva wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Zuko4eva wrote:
    oh and where did you get a picture of Zuko in that pose? like what epi was that in?

    it was from the southern raiders episode, when Katara makes that big water dome thing.

    yep.

    oh. i thought that was a really wierd picture since he's pulling his collar down so it looks like he was troubled or something....

    Yeah, it's kinda weird, but I need a picture of him looking up to the left, so it would fit the image. Lol i think he's really like freaked out by katara crazy like revenge against that old dude.



    lol well who wouldn't be freaked out.... especially with her blood bending skillz.
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    Zuko4eva

    [100]Jul 30, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Zuko4eva wrote:
    lol pop sensation???... never heard of him. but yea he looks familiar. i think we are thinking of the same show. lol is there a lot of singing in this show?

    lol hes like REALLY REALLY famous. Or was at least he used to be.

    Uhm not really, Sometimes when Eli has a vision there is singing, but it's not really the main of the show.



    lol really? what songs has he sung? maybe i'd know the songs but not the singer...
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