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    -TheSecondSign-

    [21]Jul 22, 2008
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    suss2it wrote:
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    Even with Azula's stamina, flight is impossible for anymore than a minute without the comet. She could "hover" slowly, but high speed, high altitude flight would require generating fire of such immense proportions to be in any way sensible at all that it would drain even Ozai in less than maybe three minutes. And even then, they wouldn't be able to manevuer very well due to the limitations, so the idea of firebenders flying is not only bollocks, but it's retarded.

    And there is an "Avatar Level Bending", in which bending is more powerful and there are less limitations to it. Aang is the only earthbender to bend in that way that I can remember. Other ranged earthbending attacks are waves of earth or launched chunks of it that shoot out of the ground. If it's in the air, even Toph has to physically touch the rock to manipulate it (Which is why she punches the rock in "The Blind Bandit" to destroy it)

    And bloodbending outside the full moon is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you want to throw out any fair fight at any time at all with anyone, then bloodbending it is. But if the creators ever start going bat**** with the special abilities and other abilities of bending (Like Toph metalbending at a distance) I am done watching the show.
    Show's over anyway. And I disagree with the flying part, how do you know Ozai can't do it without the Comet? Azula could somewhat do it, and Ozai is a lot more powerful than her, plus the way he was maneuvering in the air shows he as experience with that, but if the comet only comes every 100 years he'd have to have practiced without the comet.

    He could have practiced other techniques (Such as boosting yourself) and he MAY be able to hover without it, but I seriously doubt he could just blast off and fly around at high speed without the help of the comet. I can see temporary, slow, or mid speed hovering if you had tremendous, virtually limitless stamina, perfected control of constant breathing (You would have to be able to perfectly control your breathing constantly to sustain the fire) and you couldn't do much other bending. The idea of putting the stress of flying continuously in conjunction with powerful fire attacks sounds ridiculous, considering doing so requires breath control and I doubt any bender can stress themselves to that limit.

    The idea of hovering, I can see. But flying and attacking with a lot of power or lightning without the comet? No way. No way is that even possible. You would physically and mentally destroy yourself doing that.
    The comet doesn't accelerate one's skill, it merely enhances the amount of fire one can use. Therefore the skills he used in his battle against Aang, must of come from somewhere, before the comet.

    I can't see a firebender flying and pefrorming powerful attacks without the comet. The amount of control that would take is too much for me to believe. He may have known how to fly or hover prior to the comet, but he probably couldn't attack at the same time before the comet. Combining the two wouldn't be that hard once you could do both seperately. You'd just need to extra force.
    Why exactly do you think it's straining to do both, when Azula did it and she wasn't tired in the least?

    I've only seen Azula actually stay suspended in the air, and attack during the finale. And I'm talking about large blasts of fire or lightning. Smaller attacks while airborn is a possibility, but the comet lets you create more fire. Chances are if you could fly without the comet, flying with the comet is considerably easier, putting less strain on you.

    I've never seen Azula take flight and just blanket areas around her with huge sheets of flame or blasts of fire outside the comet. Remind me of which episode it is and I'll rewatch it.

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    dark_aquatus

    [22]Jul 22, 2008
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    I agree with -TheSecondSign-, the first time we saw a firebender fly, was during The Boiling Rock (although it was just for a very brief moment).
    Like I said, flying and casting lightning is even impossible DURING the appearance of the comet.
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    suss2it

    [23]Jul 22, 2008
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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Even with Azula's stamina, flight is impossible for anymore than a minute without the comet. She could "hover" slowly, but high speed, high altitude flight would require generating fire of such immense proportions to be in any way sensible at all that it would drain even Ozai in less than maybe three minutes. And even then, they wouldn't be able to manevuer very well due to the limitations, so the idea of firebenders flying is not only bollocks, but it's retarded.

    And there is an "Avatar Level Bending", in which bending is more powerful and there are less limitations to it. Aang is the only earthbender to bend in that way that I can remember. Other ranged earthbending attacks are waves of earth or launched chunks of it that shoot out of the ground. If it's in the air, even Toph has to physically touch the rock to manipulate it (Which is why she punches the rock in "The Blind Bandit" to destroy it)

    And bloodbending outside the full moon is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. If you want to throw out any fair fight at any time at all with anyone, then bloodbending it is. But if the creators ever start going bat**** with the special abilities and other abilities of bending (Like Toph metalbending at a distance) I am done watching the show.
    Show's over anyway. And I disagree with the flying part, how do you know Ozai can't do it without the Comet? Azula could somewhat do it, and Ozai is a lot more powerful than her, plus the way he was maneuvering in the air shows he as experience with that, but if the comet only comes every 100 years he'd have to have practiced without the comet.

    He could have practiced other techniques (Such as boosting yourself) and he MAY be able to hover without it, but I seriously doubt he could just blast off and fly around at high speed without the help of the comet. I can see temporary, slow, or mid speed hovering if you had tremendous, virtually limitless stamina, perfected control of constant breathing (You would have to be able to perfectly control your breathing constantly to sustain the fire) and you couldn't do much other bending. The idea of putting the stress of flying continuously in conjunction with powerful fire attacks sounds ridiculous, considering doing so requires breath control and I doubt any bender can stress themselves to that limit.

    The idea of hovering, I can see. But flying and attacking with a lot of power or lightning without the comet? No way. No way is that even possible. You would physically and mentally destroy yourself doing that.
    The comet doesn't accelerate one's skill, it merely enhances the amount of fire one can use. Therefore the skills he used in his battle against Aang, must of come from somewhere, before the comet.

    I can't see a firebender flying and pefrorming powerful attacks without the comet. The amount of control that would take is too much for me to believe. He may have known how to fly or hover prior to the comet, but he probably couldn't attack at the same time before the comet. Combining the two wouldn't be that hard once you could do both seperately. You'd just need to extra force.
    Why exactly do you think it's straining to do both, when Azula did it and she wasn't tired in the least?

    I've only seen Azula actually stay suspended in the air, and attack during the finale.
    Azula didn't really fly during the comet either, so it all depends on how powerful Ozai was before the comet.

    There's no denying that he can't do lightning in the air, or hugely powerful fireblasts, I'm just saying he can be airborne and still attack.
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    dark_aquatus

    [24]Jul 22, 2008
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    We'll never know if it's possible to fly and attack at the same time without the comet. All we know is that it's not very likely. If it's very hard to fly without the comet, it must be extremely hard to fly AND attack at the same time. Extremely hard might stand for impossible, but we'll never know!
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    misterham

    [25]Jul 22, 2008
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    suss2it wrote:
    Azula didn't really fly during the comet either, so it all depends on how powerful Ozai was before the comet.

    yeah she did. when she was fighting katara
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    -TheSecondSign-

    [26]Jul 22, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    Azula didn't really fly during the comet either, so it all depends on how powerful Ozai was before the comet.
    yeah she did. when she was fighting katara

    She was going pretty slow, though.

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    dark_aquatus

    [27]Jul 22, 2008
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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    misterham wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    Azula didn't really fly during the comet either, so it all depends on how powerful Ozai was before the comet.
    yeah she did. when she was fighting katara

    She was going pretty slow, though.

    Christ... You know what? This is an end thread, aka /thread

    By keeping up this discussion we won't learn anything new.

    Conclusion: Flying as a firebender is really hard to do, but possible. Even without the comet, although you can only fly for a short amount fo time then. This makes it unlikely that this person would be able to attack and fly both at the same time, but we do not know for sure, and we'll NEVER know this for sure! All we know is that casting lightning and flying at the same time is impossible in any case scenario.

    Edited on 07/22/2008 7:49pm
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    -TheSecondSign-

    [28]Jul 22, 2008
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    I wasn't being critical of your statement. I'm aware that she was flying and I agree with you.

    It is kind of strange though, that Ozai has red fire and Azula has blue fire but Ozai is clearly stronger. You'd think Ozai would have blue fire or black fire or white fire or something more powerful.

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    misterham

    [29]Jul 22, 2008
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    whoa if you watch the first time azula sends lightning at katara, she did it in half a second

    off topic, but w/e
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    dark_aquatus

    [30]Jul 22, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    whoa if you watch the first time azula sends lightning at katara, she did it in half a second

    off topic, but w/e

    That shows us that she kind off lost it, she was slipping like Zuko said. Btw, it wasn't at Katara, it was towards the entire gAang.

    And -TheSecondSign-, Azula is stronger than her father, but again, just too young... We all know Azula is a prodigy, which explains the blue firebending. If she would have been able to grow up and extend her firebending, she would've probably gotten stronger than her father.
    But once again, speculation!
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    Gnosis421

    [31]Jul 22, 2008
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    Going back to the main point of the thread, it's silly to say that one the firebender's main most advanced techniques is flight, because in a sense, couldn't all of the bending arts be able to conjure at least minimal flight?

    Airbenders obviously with bursts of air. Earthbenders who are able to hold large pieces of Earth in air could theoretically do the same with them standing on top of the Earth. And Waterbenders follow the same logic as Earthbenders, bit with blocks or sheets of ice.

    Also, aside from bloodbending, I'm surprised no one mentioned plant-bending as an advanced form of Waterbending.

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    dark_aquatus

    [32]Jul 22, 2008
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    Gnosis421 wrote:
    Also, aside from bloodbending, I'm surprised no one mentioned plant-bending as an advanced form of Waterbending.


    I did mention draining water from plants... That's harder than bending the water in the plants.
    We also didn't mention sandbending, right?
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    misterham

    [33]Jul 22, 2008
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    dark_aquatus wrote:

    That shows us that she kind off lost it, she was slipping like Zuko said. Btw, it wasn't at Katara, it was towards the entire gAang.


    what? it doesn't show she was slipping at all (although she definately was). she created lightning faster than anyone's ever done it!

    sandbending and waterbending plants are just earthbending and waterbending. i don't see what's so special about those
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    dark_aquatus

    [34]Jul 22, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:

    That shows us that she kind off lost it, she was slipping like Zuko said. Btw, it wasn't at Katara, it was towards the entire gAang.


    what? it doesn't show she was slipping at all (although she definately was). she created lightning faster than anyone's ever done it!

    sandbending and waterbending plants are just earthbending and waterbending. i don't see what's so special about those


    I was talking about the finale in which she was slipping. After that I said ''Btw'' which means by the way... Means I wasn't talking about the same episode in this case.

    I do agree with your second part of the message
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