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    bendthisfire

    [41]Apr 21, 2008
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    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.

    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....


    Yeah cannot really picture it myself.
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    MaiAndZuko4eva

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    bendthisfire wrote:
    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.

    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....


    Yeah cannot really picture it myself.

    she'll probably end up being crazy and put to Jail
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    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.

    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....


    Nah, she won't become good. Avatar need a definite villain (besides Ozai). It isn't good for the story if two bad guys switch to the good side.
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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.
    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....
    Nah, she won't become good. Avatar need a definite villain (besides Ozai). It isn't good for the story if two bad guys switch to the good side.

    I don't know what to think of it. In the trailer, we see her falling along with Zuko. This is presumably pre-comet time since the sky is still blue. However, another shot shows her firebending in front of a house, and if you pause it at the right time, you see that the sky is red, signifying the comet's arrival...or it could just be red from sunset/rise.

    Assuming she survives the fall, the only logical guess at this point is that the gaang does save her. This could lead to uncertainty and doubt, causing a moral dilema like Zuko. I'm guessing she cracks and someone takes her down because I honestly don't see her becoming good. However, it is not impossible.

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    MarryLarry wrote:

    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.
    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....
    Nah, she won't become good. Avatar need a definite villain (besides Ozai). It isn't good for the story if two bad guys switch to the good side.

    I don't know what to think of it. In the trailer, we see her falling along with Zuko. This is presumably pre-comet time since the sky is still blue. However, another shot shows her firebending in front of a house, and if you pause it at the right time, you see that the sky is red, signifying the comet's arrival...or it could just be red from sunset/rise.

    Assuming she survives the fall, the only logical guess at this point is that the gaang does save her. This could lead to uncertainty and doubt, causing a moral dilema like Zuko. I'm guessing she cracks and someone takes her down because I honestly don't see her becoming good. However, it is not impossible.

    You, MarryLarry, have just described almost exactly what I think will happen. Part of me thinks that Azula will become as good as Azula can possibly good. Which isn't like the Gaang's definition of good, but still a step up from how Azula was before.

    For some reason, Azula getting hurt or something keeps playing through my head. Or what you said, they save her from falling and she has some sort of inner conflict like Zuko. She might go back home, but starts flipping out when she has visions of Ursa, just like Zuko had visions of Iroh!Dragon and Azula!Dragon. Ursa is probably her other side since Roku is her grandfather.

    I don't know how this will end for Azula, but most of me hopes she lives, either that or has a totally bad**s dead.

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    MarryLarry wrote:

    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.
    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....
    Nah, she won't become good. Avatar need a definite villain (besides Ozai). It isn't good for the story if two bad guys switch to the good side.

    I don't know what to think of it. In the trailer, we see her falling along with Zuko. This is presumably pre-comet time since the sky is still blue. However, another shot shows her firebending in front of a house, and if you pause it at the right time, you see that the sky is red, signifying the comet's arrival...or it could just be red from sunset/rise.

    Assuming she survives the fall, the only logical guess at this point is that the gaang does save her. This could lead to uncertainty and doubt, causing a moral dilema like Zuko. I'm guessing she cracks and someone takes her down because I honestly don't see her becoming good. However, it is not impossible.
    Remember what Aang said about his second trip to the spirit world with Roku:


    "If anything, what Roku showed me was that everybody/anybody is capable of great good and great evil..."


    There's some more but that is the main part. If what Aang said is "true" then that means Azula does indeed have good in her after all. She too is a descendant of Avatar Roku like Zuko. We all saw how Zuko had inner turmoil (because of the conflict between his two ancestors) but is that to say Azula is devoid of her heritage? 'Course not. It's the way she was raised. She wasn't born a seed of evil, it's the 'side' of the family she was raised on.


    Zuko was primarily raised by his mother who's great grandfather was Roku; the great good. But Azula was, apparently, mainly raised by her father who's from Sozin's bloodline; the great evil. In season 1, we saw the "great evil" from Zuko. Then in season 2, as he was shown the errors of his ways by both experience and guidance, the Roku side of him (his mother's side) was beginning to push away the evil of his heritage from Sozin. Finally, after pushing away all of the evil inside of him and letting the good of Roku fill his soul, he's a "good guy" now, if you will.

    Now, look at Azula. She's the complete opposite of Zuko. Not because of the way she was born but how she was raised. It's obvious that Ozai (the evil of Sozin) took her under his wing and raised her as the perfectionist, power driven, and 'evil' person we see now. She was never really influenced by the good inside of her from Roku (her mother). Ozai led her to be like her ancestors (e.g. powerful and destructive like Sozin). The good inside of her from Roku has been locked up... But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist nor can it be released.

    Zuko had to placed in a/n environment(s) where he could experience and learn about the true good that existed in him. We saw where that led him. He was a changed person. He looked on the brighter sided of life. But then in Ba Sing Se... when he was influenced by the evil of Azula, the good was overwhelmed. His inner turmoil had not been fully dealt with and, once again, Sozin took over

    I believe that if Azula undergoes situations where the good of Roku can be exposed and released from its chains, she too will experience an inner turmoil of good vs. evil like Zuko. Is that to say Azula would wise up and join the Gaang to fight against her country? Absolutely not, but it IS saying that Azula is not yet a lost cause. She is capable of great evil, but also... great good.
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    PsychoPass wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.
    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....
    Nah, she won't become good. Avatar need a definite villain (besides Ozai). It isn't good for the story if two bad guys switch to the good side.

    I don't know what to think of it. In the trailer, we see her falling along with Zuko. This is presumably pre-comet time since the sky is still blue. However, another shot shows her firebending in front of a house, and if you pause it at the right time, you see that the sky is red, signifying the comet's arrival...or it could just be red from sunset/rise.

    Assuming she survives the fall, the only logical guess at this point is that the gaang does save her. This could lead to uncertainty and doubt, causing a moral dilema like Zuko. I'm guessing she cracks and someone takes her down because I honestly don't see her becoming good. However, it is not impossible.
    Remember what Aang said about his second trip to the spirit world with Roku: "If anything, what Roku showed me was that everybody/anybody is capable of great good and great evil..." There's some more but that is the main part. If what Aang said is "true" then that means Azula does indeed have good in her after all. She too is a descendant of Avatar Roku like Zuko. We all saw how Zuko had inner turmoil (because of the conflict between his two ancestors) but is that to say Azula is devoid of her heritage? 'Course not. It's the way she was raised. She wasn't born a seed of evil, it's the 'side' of the family she was raised on. Zuko was primarily raised by his mother who's great grandfather was Roku; the great good. But Azula was, apparently, mainly raised by her father who's from Sozin's bloodline; the great evil. In season 1, we saw the "great evil" from Zuko. Then in season 2, as he was shown the errors of his ways by both experience and guidance, the Roku side of him (his mother's side) was beginning to push away the evil of his Sozin's heritage. Finally, after pushing away all of the evil inside of him and letting the good of Roku fill his soul, he's a "good guy", if you will. Now, look at Azula. She's the complete opposite of Zuko. Not because of the way she was born but how she was raised. It's obvious that Ozai (the evil of Sozin) took her under his wing and raised her as the perfectionist, power driven, and 'evil' person we see now. She was never really influence by the good inside of her from Roku (her mother). Ozai led her to be like her ancestors (e.g. powerful and destructive like Sozin). The good inside of her from Roku has been locked up... But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist nor can it be released. Zuko had to placed in a/n environment(s) where he could experience and learn about the true good that existed in him. We saw where that led him. He was a changed person. He looked on the brighter sides of life. But then in Ba Sing Se... when he was around the evil of Azula, the good was overwhelmed. His inner turmoil had not been fully dealt with and, once again, Sozin took him over. I believe that if Azula undergoes situations where the good of Roku can be exposed and released from her chains, she too will experience an inner turmoil of good vs. evil like Zuko. Is that to say Azula would wise up and join the Gaang to fight against her country? Absolutely not, but it IS saying that Azula is not yet a lost cause. I may be going out on a limb with all of this, but all new ideas and ways of thinking sound crazy and wacko at first I blog'ed it, by the way.

    *claps* I couldn't have said it better myself! I agree completely with you. Azula was Firebending prodigy and a second-born, like Ozai, so he raised her to be what he struggled to be. Zuko had to work harder to become a good Firebender, so Ozai saw him as being weak, and since Azula was raised to listen to her father, she picked that up superiority over her brother.

    Since she was raised to be like her father, and Zuko was cuddled by his mother, they didn't spend enough time with either parent. Ozai might have had some ill feelings towards Ursa since she babied Zuko, and again, Azula instinctively had those feelings towards her mother. But like Zuko, who tried to please his father, Azula might have felt rejected by her mother, so seemed to love Zuko more. Which I don't think is the case. Azula just picked up her father's traits, and Ursa was scared by that, so she was more harsh with Azula than Zuko.

    I don't think Azula is a lost cause. I think she'll find a way she can fit into all of this without joining the Gaang, maybe joining Ursa in some way.

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    xRamensx wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.
    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....
    Nah, she won't become good. Avatar need a definite villain (besides Ozai). It isn't good for the story if two bad guys switch to the good side.

    I don't know what to think of it. In the trailer, we see her falling along with Zuko. This is presumably pre-comet time since the sky is still blue. However, another shot shows her firebending in front of a house, and if you pause it at the right time, you see that the sky is red, signifying the comet's arrival...or it could just be red from sunset/rise.

    Assuming she survives the fall, the only logical guess at this point is that the gaang does save her. This could lead to uncertainty and doubt, causing a moral dilema like Zuko. I'm guessing she cracks and someone takes her down because I honestly don't see her becoming good. However, it is not impossible.
    Remember what Aang said about his second trip to the spirit world with Roku: "If anything, what Roku showed me was that everybody/anybody is capable of great good and great evil..." There's some more but that is the main part. If what Aang said is "true" then that means Azula does indeed have good in her after all. She too is a descendant of Avatar Roku like Zuko. We all saw how Zuko had inner turmoil (because of the conflict between his two ancestors) but is that to say Azula is devoid of her heritage? 'Course not. It's the way she was raised. She wasn't born a seed of evil, it's the 'side' of the family she was raised on. Zuko was primarily raised by his mother who's great grandfather was Roku; the great good. But Azula was, apparently, mainly raised by her father who's from Sozin's bloodline; the great evil. In season 1, we saw the "great evil" from Zuko. Then in season 2, as he was shown the errors of his ways by both experience and guidance, the Roku side of him (his mother's side) was beginning to push away the evil of his Sozin's heritage. Finally, after pushing away all of the evil inside of him and letting the good of Roku fill his soul, he's a "good guy", if you will. Now, look at Azula. She's the complete opposite of Zuko. Not because of the way she was born but how she was raised. It's obvious that Ozai (the evil of Sozin) took her under his wing and raised her as the perfectionist, power driven, and 'evil' person we see now. She was never really influence by the good inside of her from Roku (her mother). Ozai led her to be like her ancestors (e.g. powerful and destructive like Sozin). The good inside of her from Roku has been locked up... But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist nor can it be released. Zuko had to placed in a/n environment(s) where he could experience and learn about the true good that existed in him. We saw where that led him. He was a changed person. He looked on the brighter sides of life. But then in Ba Sing Se... when he was around the evil of Azula, the good was overwhelmed. His inner turmoil had not been fully dealt with and, once again, Sozin took him over. I believe that if Azula undergoes situations where the good of Roku can be exposed and released from her chains, she too will experience an inner turmoil of good vs. evil like Zuko. Is that to say Azula would wise up and join the Gaang to fight against her country? Absolutely not, but it IS saying that Azula is not yet a lost cause. I may be going out on a limb with all of this, but all new ideas and ways of thinking sound crazy and wacko at first I blog'ed it, by the way.

    *claps* I couldn't have said it better myself! I agree completely with you. Azula was Firebending prodigy and a second-born, like Ozai, so he raised her to be what he struggled to be. Zuko had to work harder to become a good Firebender, so Ozai saw him as being weak, and since Azula was raised to listen to her father, she picked that up superiority over her brother.

    Since she was raised to be like her father, and Zuko was cuddled by his mother, they didn't spend enough time with either parent. Ozai might have had some ill feelings towards Ursa since she babied Zuko, and again, Azula instinctively had those feelings towards her mother. But like Zuko, who tried to please his father, Azula might have felt rejected by her mother, so seemed to love Zuko more. Which I don't think is the case. Azula just picked up her father's traits, and Ursa was scared by that, so she was more harsh with Azula than Zuko.

    I don't think Azula is a lost cause. I think she'll find a way she can fit into all of this without joining the Gaang, maybe joining Ursa in some way.

    Wow, that was deep. And it makes complete sense. Maybe Azula doesn't deserve to die (maybe)

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    No, in the immortal words of Iroh, "No, she's crazy and she needs to go down." AND DOWN SHE GOES!!! BWAHH HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Ahem, sorry. But seriously I think Azula needs to go down. She's really the more prevalent form of evil in the story. She DID have capacity for great good but it was never fostered and grown. Zuko had Ursa growing up and Iroh later on. Ursa never showed much nurturing to Azula like she did to Zuko. I don't think the good side of her ever developed. Also its not all based on heritage. Iroh has the same heritage as Ozai and look at him. (Well we can't really cause he freakin' disappeared!!) I'd be happier seeing Azula go down or go crazy and go down than to turn even somewhat "good."

    Speaking of going crazy, I definitely think that Azula has visions of Ursa and throws the brush at the mirror. If you look at pics of face in flames vs. pics of Ursa, it's pretty sure that that is Ursa. So ya, I'm with the crazy visions of disapproving mom theory.
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    What trailer?
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    waterbender171 wrote:
    No, in the immortal words of Iroh, "No, she's crazy and she needs to go down." AND DOWN SHE GOES!!! BWAHH HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Ahem, sorry. But seriously I think Azula needs to go down. She's really the more prevalent form of evil in the story. She DID have capacity for great good but it was never fostered and grown. Zuko had Ursa growing up and Iroh later on. Ursa never showed much nurturing to Azula like she did to Zuko. I don't think the good side of her ever developed. Also its not all based on heritage. Iroh has the same heritage as Ozai and look at him. (Well we can't really cause he freakin' disappeared!!) I'd be happier seeing Azula go down or go crazy and go down than to turn even somewhat "good."

    Speaking of going crazy, I definitely think that Azula has visions of Ursa and throws the brush at the mirror. If you look at pics of face in flames vs. pics of Ursa, it's pretty sure that that is Ursa. So ya, I'm with the crazy visions of disapproving mom theory.


    Why do you think she is going insane in those pictures? It's the inner turmoil being released from her cage. Doesn't mean she's becoming "good." No, it means she's trouble dealing with the "struggle inside of her." Hence, the extreme crankiness. ;p

    P.S. What do you mean by ".. disapproving mom theory"?
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    Azula's mental breakdown obviously comes from Ty Lee dumping her. She can't take people saying no to her (just like Ursa), she has to be in control. This will obviously lead to a downward spiral, until we see crazy Azula as pictured.

    Now that I think about it, her backup choice Mai will probably ditch her too.
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    Spike815 wrote:
    Azula's mental breakdown obviously comes from Ty Lee dumping her. She can't take people saying no to her (just like Ursa), she has to be in control. This will obviously lead to a downward spiral, until we see crazy Azula as pictured.

    Now that I think about it, her backup choice Mai will probably ditch her too.

    omg azula needs some warm fuzzies
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    Azula just needs to cuddle with sexy haru.
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    zimtower wrote:
    Azula just needs to cuddle with sexy haru.


    Haru doesn't swing that way...
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    Spike815 wrote:
    zimtower wrote:
    Azula just needs to cuddle with sexy haru.
    Haru doesn't swing that way...

    I'm not even sure if Azula swings that way either. I have no idea what she is..

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    xRamensx wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    MaiAndZuko4eva wrote:
    bendthisfire wrote:
    Do you think she might be facing the problem that Zuko had about his identity? If so we may have good Azula, though I doubt it. It's probably karma coming back to her.
    The thing about having the same problem may be true....but Azzie becoming good....
    Nah, she won't become good. Avatar need a definite villain (besides Ozai). It isn't good for the story if two bad guys switch to the good side.

    I don't know what to think of it. In the trailer, we see her falling along with Zuko. This is presumably pre-comet time since the sky is still blue. However, another shot shows her firebending in front of a house, and if you pause it at the right time, you see that the sky is red, signifying the comet's arrival...or it could just be red from sunset/rise.

    Assuming she survives the fall, the only logical guess at this point is that the gaang does save her. This could lead to uncertainty and doubt, causing a moral dilema like Zuko. I'm guessing she cracks and someone takes her down because I honestly don't see her becoming good. However, it is not impossible.
    Remember what Aang said about his second trip to the spirit world with Roku: "If anything, what Roku showed me was that everybody/anybody is capable of great good and great evil..." There's some more but that is the main part. If what Aang said is "true" then that means Azula does indeed have good in her after all. She too is a descendant of Avatar Roku like Zuko. We all saw how Zuko had inner turmoil (because of the conflict between his two ancestors) but is that to say Azula is devoid of her heritage? 'Course not. It's the way she was raised. She wasn't born a seed of evil, it's the 'side' of the family she was raised on. Zuko was primarily raised by his mother who's great grandfather was Roku; the great good. But Azula was, apparently, mainly raised by her father who's from Sozin's bloodline; the great evil. In season 1, we saw the "great evil" from Zuko. Then in season 2, as he was shown the errors of his ways by both experience and guidance, the Roku side of him (his mother's side) was beginning to push away the evil of his Sozin's heritage. Finally, after pushing away all of the evil inside of him and letting the good of Roku fill his soul, he's a "good guy", if you will. Now, look at Azula. She's the complete opposite of Zuko. Not because of the way she was born but how she was raised. It's obvious that Ozai (the evil of Sozin) took her under his wing and raised her as the perfectionist, power driven, and 'evil' person we see now. She was never really influence by the good inside of her from Roku (her mother). Ozai led her to be like her ancestors (e.g. powerful and destructive like Sozin). The good inside of her from Roku has been locked up... But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist nor can it be released. Zuko had to placed in a/n environment(s) where he could experience and learn about the true good that existed in him. We saw where that led him. He was a changed person. He looked on the brighter sides of life. But then in Ba Sing Se... when he was around the evil of Azula, the good was overwhelmed. His inner turmoil had not been fully dealt with and, once again, Sozin took him over. I believe that if Azula undergoes situations where the good of Roku can be exposed and released from her chains, she too will experience an inner turmoil of good vs. evil like Zuko. Is that to say Azula would wise up and join the Gaang to fight against her country? Absolutely not, but it IS saying that Azula is not yet a lost cause. I may be going out on a limb with all of this, but all new ideas and ways of thinking sound crazy and wacko at first I blog'ed it, by the way.

    *claps* I couldn't have said it better myself! I agree completely with you. Azula was Firebending prodigy and a second-born, like Ozai, so he raised her to be what he struggled to be. Zuko had to work harder to become a good Firebender, so Ozai saw him as being weak, and since Azula was raised to listen to her father, she picked that up superiority over her brother.

    Since she was raised to be like her father, and Zuko was cuddled by his mother, they didn't spend enough time with either parent. Ozai might have had some ill feelings towards Ursa since she babied Zuko, and again, Azula instinctively had those feelings towards her mother. But like Zuko, who tried to please his father, Azula might have felt rejected by her mother, so seemed to love Zuko more. Which I don't think is the case. Azula just picked up her father's traits, and Ursa was scared by that, so she was more harsh with Azula than Zuko.

    I don't think Azula is a lost cause. I think she'll find a way she can fit into all of this without joining the Gaang, maybe joining Ursa in some way.

    Thank you! This is what I've always thought about Azula, because personally I hate those villains who are "evil", there must have been a reason why they got to that point. And it's true, we all are capable of good and evil, and sometimes people we see as "good ones" do terrible things. I would really like it if they treat Azula as a human being, not a maniac girl that can't see no reason.

    My guess is that she wanted power so much, that when she turned Fire Lord, she realized it wasn't what she really wanted. Or like you said, Zuko being able to defend himself from her attacks and perhaps winning, will most surely affect her in some way because he's not that angry person anymore, he has found balance.

    Also Ursa represents good in that family, Azula seeing her mother, it's a sign she's not completely sure of the path she's chosen like we all thought when she was able to pull lightning "the cold blooded fire".

    I don't see her joining the gaang, but I think Aang is going to save her, it's difficult for me to imagine they will let her die in that fall.

    And like I've said many times before, I hope the creators don't treat Azula as a typical villain.

    Edited on 04/21/2008 10:08pm
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