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    Citoreh

    [781]Apr 22, 2006
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    I think Book 3:Fire is gonna have some heavy emphasis on Zuko.
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    thumbsucker

    [782]Apr 23, 2006
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    Question.?? Would a firebender ever run out of fire???
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    sly4me

    [783]Apr 23, 2006
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    thumbsucker wrote:
    Question.?? Would a firebender ever run out of fire???
    if the sun went out, but then everyone would die.
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    thumbsucker

    [784]Apr 23, 2006
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    I mean when they are just fighting on any given regular day, if they get tired would there be no more fire??? Earthbenders if they are around earth won't run out, neither would water benders.?? Could Zuko just end up with smoke and no fire?

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    sly4me

    [785]Apr 23, 2006
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    thumbsucker wrote:

    I mean when they are just fighting on any given regular day, if they get tired would there be no more fire??? Earthbenders if they are around earth won't run out, neither would water benders.?? Could Zuko just end up with smoke and no fire?

    I think??firebenders generate the fire themselves (unlike the other elements). But,??it kinda of seems a little dodgy to me. Has it been explained how firebendes generate fire? (I'm not talking about the sun or Sozens comet). Waterbenders need a water supply, and earth benders need earth (airbenders are a given) but the firebenders don't need to be by a candle. I guess the sun?? powers the firebenders (like the moon for the waterbenders), but it also provides them with a fire source.
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    mellomuse

    [786]Apr 24, 2006
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    sly4me wrote:
    I guess the sun?? powers the firebenders (like the moon for the waterbenders), but it also provides them with a fire source.


    I think that's correct as far as we know. According to the folks at Nick, firebenders lose their ability to bend during solar eclipses. They also supposedly have a harder time bending fire when it's raining, and they can't bend underwater. (Duh Nick!)

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    DrDeath10

    [787]Apr 24, 2006
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    I apologize in advance if this question has already been asked but I didn't want to go through over 700 posts to find an answer.

    How did the Water and Fire benders learn to manipulate their elements??? From the Sun and the Moon?

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    AngelTails2

    [788]Apr 24, 2006
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    Edited on 04/24/2006 12:15pm
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    sluggmunki_tx

    [789]Apr 24, 2006
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    DrDeath10 wrote:

    How did the Water and Fire benders learn to manipulate their elements??? From the Sun and the Moon?



    As mentioned on the Seige of the North, the 'famous' quote "You rise with the moon, I rise with the sun" solves it all. The energy of the moon and the sun helps the waterbenders and the firebenders manipulate their elements. The more intense the energy is, the stronger they become.

    Okay, maybe that might not be correctly stated but you probably get the gist of it.
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    MCMLXVI

    [790]Apr 24, 2006
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    mellomuse wrote:
    They also supposedly have a harder time bending fire when it's raining, and they can't bend underwater. (Duh Nick!)
    If I were designing firebending, it would be more like "heatbending", where one could harvest heat, wherever it may be. That way, it could still work under water, and at any temperature (above absolute zero, of course, which is impossible to reach anyway). I still think firebenders-- as we know them in the world of AtLA-- can do that, they just need a certain level of proficiency to do it.
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    sly4me

    [791]Apr 24, 2006
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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    mellomuse wrote:
    They also supposedly have a harder time bending fire when it's raining, and they can't bend underwater. (Duh Nick!)
    If I were designing firebending, it would be more like "heatbending", where one could harvest heat, wherever it may be. That way, it could still work under water, and at any temperature (above absolute zero, of course, which is impossible to reach anyway). I still think firebenders-- as we know them in the world of AtLA-- can do that, they just need a certain level of proficiency to do it.
    so if they were heatbenders, then they could bend under water because they could make??the??water??like a hot tub?
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    thumbsucker

    [792]Apr 24, 2006
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    mellomuse wrote:
    sly4me wrote:
    I guess the sun?? powers the firebenders (like the moon for the waterbenders), but it also provides them with a fire source.
    I think that's correct as far as we know. According to the folks at Nick, firebenders lose their ability to bend during solar eclipses. They also supposedly have a harder time bending fire when it's raining, and they can't bend underwater. (Duh Nick!)

    But didn't Zuko use firebending underwater in the Siege of the North when he was following the underwater passage to find Aang.??

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    sly4me

    [793]Apr 24, 2006
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    thumbsucker wrote:

    mellomuse wrote:
    sly4me wrote:
    I guess the sun?? powers the firebenders (like the moon for the waterbenders), but it also provides them with a fire source.
    I think that's correct as far as we know. According to the folks at Nick, firebenders lose their ability to bend during solar eclipses. They also supposedly have a harder time bending fire when it's raining, and they can't bend underwater. (Duh Nick!)

    But didn't Zuko use firebending underwater in the Siege of the North when he was following the underwater passage to find Aang.??

    hmmmmm, nice memory.
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    MCMLXVI

    [794]Apr 24, 2006
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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    If I were designing firebending, it would be more like "heatbending", where one could harvest heat, wherever it may be. That way, it could still work under water, and at any temperature (above absolute zero, of course, which is impossible to reach anyway). I still think firebenders-- as we know them in the world of AtLA-- can do that, they just need a certain level of proficiency to do it.
    sly4me wrote:
    so if they were heatbenders, then they could bend under water because they could make the water like a hot tub?
    Think more along the lines of transfering heat from place to place, cooling something off while warming something else up.
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    DrDeath10

    [795]Apr 25, 2006
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    Another question of mine that has been bothering me.??

    Do you think the reason why Iroh did not succeed in the Siege of Ba-Sing-Se was because the Spirits warned/showed him that if he were to take over Ba-Sing-Se, there would be an inbalance in the world?

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    trendy131

    [796]Apr 25, 2006
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    DrDeath10 wrote:

    Another question of mine that has been bothering me.??

    Do you think the reason why Iroh did not succeed in the Siege of Ba-Sing-Se was because the Spirits warned/showed him that if he were to take over Ba-Sing-Se, there would be an inbalance in the world?

    That's a good question, but why would there be an imbalance??? I mean, he did try??for a couple of years, right??? It's more likely that he just wasn't able to get it done.

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    DrDeath10

    [797]Apr 25, 2006
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    trendy131 wrote:
    DrDeath10 wrote:

    Another question of mine that has been bothering me.??

    Do you think the reason why Iroh did not succeed in the Siege of Ba-Sing-Se was because the Spirits warned/showed him that if he were to take over Ba-Sing-Se, there would be an inbalance in the world?

    That's a good question, but why would there be an imbalance??? I mean, he did try??for a couple of years, right??? It's more likely that he just wasn't able to get it done.

    It's possible that if Iroh were to take over Ba-Sing-Se, the Earth Nation would have crumbled resulting in the Fire Nation being that much closer to world domination.?? Iroh oversaw the siege of Ba-Sing-Se for 600 days according to this link.?? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong way and it could be that Iroh simply failed to take over because Earth Nation forces repelled his attacks.?? Just speculation and curiosity.

    http://avatarspirit.net/images/worldofavatar/timeline.gif

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    TheDragonMaster

    [798]Apr 25, 2006
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    Iroh saw Aang with Roku's dragon in the spirit world back in the first part of winter solstice, does that mean he has a special type of power, is he connected to the Avatar in some way, or is it just "royal blood"?
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    mellomuse

    [799]Apr 26, 2006
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    TheDragonMaster wrote:
    Iroh saw Aang with Roku's dragon in the spirit world back in the first part of winter solstice, does that mean he has a special type of power, is he connected to the Avatar in some way, or is it just "royal blood"?


    Many have asked that same question. We don't know for sure, but many think the most popular belief is that it has something to do with Iroh's trip through the Spirit World which Zhao mentioned in The Siege. Iroh also noticed the blue in Yue's eyes and understood that she had been "touched by the Moon Spirit."

    Another person who seemed to have a beyond-normal connection to the spirit world, in my opinion, was Jeong Jeong. Avatar Roku appeared to him and directly commanded him to teach Aang, even though Aang seemed to be in a normal (non-spirit) state at the time.

    DrDeath10 wrote:
    trendy131 wrote:
    DrDeath10 wrote:

    Another question of mine that has been bothering me.

    Do you think the reason why Iroh did not succeed in the Siege of Ba-Sing-Se was because the Spirits warned/showed him that if he were to take over Ba-Sing-Se, there would be an inbalance in the world?

    That's a good question, but why would there be an imbalance? I mean, he did try for a couple of years, right? It's more likely that he just wasn't able to get it done.

    It's possible that if Iroh were to take over Ba-Sing-Se, the Earth Nation would have crumbled resulting in the Fire Nation being that much closer to world domination. Iroh oversaw the siege of Ba-Sing-Se for 600 days according to this link. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong way and it could be that Iroh simply failed to take over because Earth Nation forces repelled his attacks. Just speculation and curiosity.

    http://avatarspirit.net/images/worldofavatar/timeline.gif



    Quote from the earthbending officer who arrested Iroh: "You once laid siege to it for 600 days, but it would not yield to you." I take that to mean that Iroh's forces simply failed. Plus, Iroh goes on to talk about how he and his men were tired.

    However, I think there's a whole cool yet-to-be-revealed storyline about Iroh, the failure at Ba-Sing-Se, his son, the Spirit World and possibly Jeong Jeong. It looks like both he and Jeong Jeong can see spirits, they both would've been very high-ranking officers around the same time... I wonder if Jeong Jeong's desertion has anything to do with the failure of the Iroh's siege?

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    DrDeath10

    [800]Apr 26, 2006
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    mellomuse wrote:
    TheDragonMaster wrote:
    Iroh saw Aang with Roku's dragon in the spirit world back in the first part of winter solstice, does that mean he has a special type of power, is he connected to the Avatar in some way, or is it just "royal blood"?
    Many have asked that same question. We don't know for sure, but many think the most popular belief is that it has something to do with Iroh's trip through the Spirit World which Zhao mentioned in The Siege. Iroh also noticed the blue in Yue's eyes and understood that she had been "touched by the Moon Spirit." Another person who seemed to have a beyond-normal connection to the spirit world, in my opinion, was Jeong Jeong. Avatar Roku appeared to him and directly commanded him to teach Aang, even though Aang seemed to be in a normal (non-spirit) state at the time.
    DrDeath10 wrote:
    trendy131 wrote:
    DrDeath10 wrote:

    Another question of mine that has been bothering me.

    Do you think the reason why Iroh did not succeed in the Siege of Ba-Sing-Se was because the Spirits warned/showed him that if he were to take over Ba-Sing-Se, there would be an inbalance in the world?

    That's a good question, but why would there be an imbalance? I mean, he did try for a couple of years, right? It's more likely that he just wasn't able to get it done.

    It's possible that if Iroh were to take over Ba-Sing-Se, the Earth Nation would have crumbled resulting in the Fire Nation being that much closer to world domination. Iroh oversaw the siege of Ba-Sing-Se for 600 days according to this link. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong way and it could be that Iroh simply failed to take over because Earth Nation forces repelled his attacks. Just speculation and curiosity.

    http://avatarspirit.net/images/worldofavatar/timeline.gif

    Quote from the earthbending officer who arrested Iroh: "You once laid siege to it for 600 days, but it would not yield to you." I take that to mean that Iroh's forces simply failed. Plus, Iroh goes on to talk about how he and his men were tired. However, I think there's a whole cool yet-to-be-revealed storyline about Iroh, the failure at Ba-Sing-Se, his son, the Spirit World and possibly Jeong Jeong. It looks like both he and Jeong Jeong can see spirits, they both would've been very high-ranking officers around the same time... I wonder if Jeong Jeong's desertion has anything to do with the failure of the Iroh's siege?

    Okay, thanks for clearing that all up for me.

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