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    HaydenAvery

    [3281]Nov 15, 2009
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    yes. duncan cant win for being a jailbird punk, real great message to send to kids: if your a punk youll be cool enough to win a reality show against a nerd like beth.
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    shishkabob999

    [3282]Nov 15, 2009
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    You're thinking about this too much, Friday. I think the reason "nobody expects Beth to win" is because she's the physical underdog of the Final Three, she hasn't made much in the way of strategy, and she's a follower. In-universe, nobody would expect her to pull a victory. We know it because of the pattern of the winner being the one who has never had a significant plotline.
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    TBMSFriday

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    I over think a lot of things...TDA is just one of them...

    Hayden: I think kids will understand this is just a show. I doubt after Duncan wins (WHICH HE WILL...I SWEAR!) that a bunch of six year olds are going to go out, and get piercings and green mohawks...and then proceeding to go to jail. They know it's just a show..
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    HaydenAvery

    [3284]Nov 15, 2009
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    no they dont. and even if they do a bunch all ready think of duncan as the image of cool. beth has this in the bag.
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    alagaesian

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    Well, at least we can agree that Beth and Duncan are in the final two. That's the finalist pair where the winner is the least obvious.
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    TBMSFriday

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    Yeah, anyone can win in that pairing (it will be Duncan though)

    I don't get how you guys can think Beth will win. Comparing time..

    Duncan: Is a good at strategy, and has physical strength Beth: Has really made it by following others, and (maybe this is me stereotyping) has little or no physical assets..

    It's kinda street smarts versus book smarts. Duncan's going to win...I hope...
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    shishkabob999

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    You're looking on it from the perspective of someone inside the TDI universe again. There are many reasons why Beth would win:

    -Better role model for kids, as people mentioned.
    -Seeming underdog winning, same as last season (come on, Owen vs a long distance run?), same as in hundreds of movies and TV shows.
    -She's not there at all in the next season, and Chris said they were playing for "another" million dollars, so she'd be out.
    -Similarities to last season, a protagonist (although I use that term loosely in Duncan's case) against someone who has no plotline.
    -Beth would probably have the larger support of the fans considering the amount of enemies Duncan's made; again, same as last season.

    Edited on 11/15/2009 1:40pm
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    HankL

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    I wouldn't put it past Chris & Co. have Owen win again, just to piss off Courtney!
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    LordGrievous

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    shishkabob999 wrote:

    You're looking on it from the perspective of someone inside the TDI universe again. There are many reasons why Beth would win:

    -Better role model for kids, as people mentioned.
    -Seeming underdog winning, same as last season (come on, Owen vs a long distance run?), same as in hundreds of movies and TV shows.
    -She's not there at all in the next season, and Chris said they were playing for "another" million dollars, so she'd be out.
    -Similarities to last season, a protagonist (although I use that term loosely in Duncan's case) against someone who has no plotline.
    -Beth would probably have the larger support of the fans considering the amount of enemies Duncan's made; again, same as last season.

    TV networks don't care about role models anymore, and plus it's been shown that despite being a bully and going to juvy that Duncan isn't as bad he tries to make himself(like baby talking to a pet spider). Plus how many enemies has Duncan made? aside from Chef and Harold.

    However let's not forget Owens part in TDA, Even I doubt that he'll make it to the final three, but with the writers who knows.

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    HaydenAvery

    [3290]Nov 15, 2009
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    hank owen wont win again since hes next. nd if they arent going by role models why did owen win last season? face it. beth is going to win.
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    shishkabob999

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    Justin, Lindsay, and Leshawna would all support Beth over him. Trent and Izzy probably would too, and possibly Heather. The only people that Duncan would have for certain are Courtney, DJ, and maybe Geoff. Although I must admit, I can see Harold swinging for him after last episode...
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    PintheDog

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    LordGrievous wrote:
    Plus how many enemies has Duncan made? aside from Chef and Harold.

    As of this season?

    1. Heather for dumping her over Leshawna.
    2. Leshawna for betraying their alliance with Harold and forcing Harold to turn on her.
    3. Justin for their competition over Courtney.
    4. Lindsay for just generally being mean.
    5. Beth for the same reason as Lindsay.
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    PintheDog

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    shishkabob999 wrote:
    Justin, Lindsay, and Leshawna would all support Beth over him. Trent and Izzy probably would, too, and possibly Heather. The only people that Duncan would have for certain are Courtney, DJ, and maybe Geoff. Although I must admit, I can see Harold swinging for him after last episode...

    I think Duncan would have Gwen, too, although she'd actually be tough to call, since she also likes Beth. Beth would have Bridgette, though, as she can't stand Duncan.
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    stalemate666

    [3294]Nov 15, 2009
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    alagaesian wrote:
    stalemate666 wrote:
    alagaesian wrote:
    Please, explain what is dramatic in letting Courtney win. She is a physical and mental powerhouse in the game right now. The dramatic thing would be to have her lose.

    Similar with Duncan.

    It isn't even really confirmed that beth is going to make it to the final 2 again your just assuming and it's not so much who wins as how they win, but how is beth winning dramatic or entertaining since everyone expects it,


    Most people would not find it as entertaining if Courtney, Owen, or even Duncan won. We, as most-probably-teenagers, are using a more complex form of logic than most kids do. We know who the winner is because we KNOW an antagonist cannot win, and adjust our opinions accordingly. We make fairly accurate guesses on eliminations because we look at fourth-wall reasoning: they aren't going to get rid of a character that can stir up plotlines or provide tons of comedy. No offense, but most kids in the show's age group are not going to use that level of logic and reasoning in their predictions. So, not all the little kiddies in the show are expecting Beth to win. We, the forum users, are expecting such things, just because we have a logical way to dissect the show that is advanced and clear enough to make many accurate predictions. Beth winning would be less predictable for the show's age group.

    You're also somewhat assuming that the writers of a KIDS' SHOW can just let a jerk like Courtney win. Assumptions are what all predictions are based off of; we assume the show is going to work out in a certain way, and that allows a certain elimination order to take place. Don't knock people for assuming, unless they're using that assumption as 100% fact, and not as a prediction or estimation.

    Besides, you still didn't answer. What is so dramatic in letting Courtney win?

    Funny how you can't even answer the question yourself, you don't know anything, your just assuming
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    shishkabob999

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    stalemate666 wrote:
    Funny how you can't even answer the question yourself, you don't know anything, your just assuming


    His "assumptions" are based on likely outcome, educated guesses, and fact. Yours are based on whether Courtney will be Duncan's "suga mama" or not.
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    stalemate666

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    shishkabob999 wrote:
    stalemate666 wrote:
    Funny how you can't even answer the question yourself, you don't know anything, your just assuming


    His "assumptions" are based on likely outcome, educated guesses, and fact. Yours are based on whether Courtney will be Duncan's "suga mama" or not.

    I never say either of them would win I said he doesn't knwo that Beth will, and it's what you guys assume is likely, appearances can be deceiving, most of you didn't think Harold was going to go until the spoiler because "it wasn't likely" you guys version of isn't likely isn't reliable
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    LordGrievous

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    PintheDog wrote:
    LordGrievous wrote:
    Plus how many enemies has Duncan made? aside from Chef and Harold.
    As of this season? 1. Heather for dumping her over Leshawna. 2. Leshawna for betraying their alliance with Harold and forcing Harold to turn on her. 3. Justin for their competition over Courtney. 4. Lindsay for just generally being mean. 5. Beth for the same reason as Lindsay.

    If Heather is Duncan's enemie just voting her off then she considers Harold an enemy too, I don't think she really takes any grudge against either of them since she can understand why because of LeShawna's cheer, besides I think she not very fond of Beth anyway.

    Lindsay only only wanted to vote off Duncan to drive Courtney nuts.

    Beth hasn't got any reason to hate Duncan and only has a grudge against Courtney.

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    alagaesian

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    stalemate666 wrote:
    shishkabob999 wrote:
    stalemate666 wrote:
    Funny how you can't even answer the question yourself, you don't know anything, your just assuming


    His "assumptions" are based on likely outcome, educated guesses, and fact. Yours are based on whether Courtney will be Duncan's "suga mama" or not.

    I never say either of them would win I said he doesn't knwo that Beth will, and it's what you guys assume is likely, appearances can be deceiving, most of you didn't think Harold was going to go until the spoiler because "it wasn't likely" you guys version of isn't likely isn't reliable


    Okay. We were wrong about him making the final four, but look at the final five: we guessed three people exactly. There was absolutely nothing to indicate that Owen would be coming back, so naturally, we had no way of predicting it. The last slot was a toss-up between Lindsay and Duncan, so you could consider it half-right. We guessed 70% of the final five...five eliminations beforehand.

    Hey, those assumptions have a decent degree of accuracy! Who could have guessed?

    I have already stated the reasons why I believe Beth's victory is very likely. Your argument is that we can't be sure that Beth won't win. No one can be sure of anything, and nothing can be 100% right, not even the Lame-O-Game. Still, your kind of argument fights for a fifty-fifty chance of Beth's loss. It does nothing to state that Duncan, Courtney, or even Owen is likely to win. So, Stalemate, who do you think is going to win?
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    Skyancez

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    To Friday, Duncan isn't in TDM either. He's there as an intern for an episode. So that doesn't tell anyone that Beth wins it.

    Although she's the underdog, Courtney could be considered one as well. Nobody is expecting her to be in the Final Two, let alone win. She might not seem like the winner but this a 'drama' show isn't it? So Courtney isn't out just yet.

    Owen won't win it though, already a winner and only there for the laughs. Harold found him out and soon everyone else will know too and I expect it to be soon too.

    Last season it was a guy, so it's probrably a girl winning it this season. So whoever stays the longest between Beth and Courtney will probrably be the winner.

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    pixarprincess

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    I do remember reading that on one season of Survivor, the antagonist won.

    Oh, man I hope that doesn't happen to Courtney. But I don't want anyone to hurt her, either. Especially not Duncan...

    Suddenly I don't know what I want. HELP!!!!!!!
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