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Bigger traitor: Harold or Trent?

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    nyfan

    [1]Feb 17, 2009
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    Which breaking of the TDI / TDA commantments is more wrong and less forgiveable. Harold ricking the voting last season which resulted in Courtney getting eliminated, or Trent throwing his team's challenges?

    They are both really low acts, but I say Harold just for the fact that he had a victom, he cheated Courtney out of the competition, while Trent only cheated himself, as non of other Grips got eleminated as a result.

    Edited on 02/17/2009 3:16pm
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    hypergirl20

    [2]Feb 17, 2009
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    Um- don't you mean Harold?
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    zeroflamecutter

    [3]Feb 17, 2009
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    Harold was. He got rid of the Bass's second best, Courtney. [That is debatable, but most agree she was]. Plus, she's my favorite character, so that makes me really mad.
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    tigerty101

    [4]Feb 17, 2009
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    I think Trent's the bigger traitor. He went against his whole team, and his actions are probably going to hurt Gwen, and possibly more of the gaffers worse soon as well, possibly getting her and a few gaffers voted off.

    All Harold did was tick off Duncan and Courtney, since it seemed like Geoff, DJ, and Bridgette didn't care too much about the situation, and end Courtney's chances of winning.

    Most people are probably going to say Harold, but I say Trent.

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    dannyranger7

    [5]Feb 17, 2009
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    Like alot of you are saying Harold cheated Courtney out of a win, which is low. But, Trent cheated himself out, but like Tigerty said Trent did let his team down and kept throwing challenges, which is also low. I guess I'm gonna say Trent because his actions affected or would've affcted much more people then just one peron Harold affected
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    nyfan

    [6]Feb 17, 2009
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    I thought what Trent was more selfish, because really he didn't need to. I sympathize with Harold's motivation, though I still think it was wrong he had to pick on Courtney, she had nothing to do with Duncan's bullying. And if it had been Duncan that was cheated out, it still would have been wrong, but I might feel he had it coming.

    I don't sympathize with Trent's motivation, Gwen never asked for him to throw challenges, if he would have played fair and not gone all werid, everything would have been fine. And last but not least, I didn't care for Trent's comments in the confessional on how he is Trent first, a killer grip second.

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    CrystalCoconut

    [7]Feb 17, 2009
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    Harold, what Trent did was legal what he did was not.
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    snkcole06

    [8]Feb 17, 2009
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    both acts was really low, but mostly Trents
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    OrSoIThought

    [9]Feb 17, 2009
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    Good arguments on both sides here. I had to think about it, but I decided on Harold because his action had intent to harm...Trent's was kind of a dysfunctional intent to save his relationship....which wouldn't need saving if he'd behaved normally. But still, Harold set out to hurt others while Trent didn't really seem to see that he WAS harming others. That was more of an indirect consequence.
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    nate4123

    [10]Feb 17, 2009
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    I'll kill Harold for what he did with Courtney!!!!!!!!! Harold is the bigger Traitor!
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    BrainMan820

    [11]Feb 18, 2009
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    Harold. Courtney was an innocent victim in his schemes, and DJ and Geoff clearly cared enough to protest with Duncan.

    Trent acted in a stupid way to save his relationship, but ultimately, he acted with an abject lack of malice. Also, we only see him throw two challenges. One of which had no vote off, and the other where he got himself voted off.

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    HankL

    [12]Feb 18, 2009
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    Harold's actions only affected Duncan and Courtney. Trent's stupidity caused his team to lose 2 challenges. He deserved to be voted off. Nobody on the Bass other than Duncan liked Courtney or cared about her getting booted one way or the other. Trent was the bigger traitor.
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    autum67

    [13]Feb 18, 2009
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    if i didn't hate Trent it would be Harod cuz Courtney wuz my but i absolutly hate Trent so him and its a really close call but Trent deff
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    Haroldrules2000

    [14]Feb 18, 2009
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    Trent got Izzy voted otu because he was telling gwen how to win during the the challenge. So I say Trent because he was costing his team left and right.
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    imverybasic

    [15]Feb 18, 2009
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    OrSoIThought wrote:
    Good arguments on both sides here. I had to think about it, but I decided on Harold because his action had intent to harm...Trent's was kind of a dysfunctional intent to save his relationship....which wouldn't need saving if he'd behaved normally. But still, Harold set out to hurt others while Trent didn't really seem to see that he WAS harming others. That was more of an indirect consequence.

    Definitely nailed it on the head. And wow, so many topics about Trent going on. That can't be good for him. But anyway, it's all basically what OrSoIThought said. Trent didn't mean to harm anyone, he was just stressed. In spite of him coming clean about his #9 obsession, Trent was mostly worried about Gwen and even though it's not safe to say that that's what caused his OCD, I still say that it's part of it, like about half the reason why Trent did what he did. Ever since Chris came up with the idea of him and Gwen competing against each other, Trent felt threatened- afraid that the idea that everything would go wrong and ruin his relationship with Gwen. Not only that, but Trent pretty much got neglected the whole time being there. He saw Gwen and Duncan together and came up with the idea that while he and Gwen were on separate teams, Duncan had a better chance of getting close to her that way. So all in all, Trent just had a lot on his mind. Pretty much what he did was all an accident- not really intentional in any way.

    Harold would have to be the bigger traitor, but I can't say that blame him. He's been through a lot- going back and forth between Duncan and Courtney constantly picking on, criticizing him- telling him how gross he is, so of course he's bound to do something sooner or later, those two were driving the guy nuts. As much as I don't like Harold, I really can't stand Courtney. I mean she had-and still has- to be like one of the most annoying characters; getting upset and penalizing innocent people for no reason and if you're wondering why Harold voted Courtney off to get to Duncan, Harold pretty much had a brilliant strategy. Rather than just voting Duncan off to get a simple revenge, he voted out someone he cared about to cause him pain and maybe lose focus in future challenges. It didn't exactly work, but it did have an impact on Duncan, so I'd say that it paid off. I'm glad Harold did what he did. Maybe it'll show that ridiculous "Courtney" that she's not meant to have everything her way. Harold stood up for himself and he didn't show Duncan that he was someone to take advantage of. He was smart, cunning and downright assertive. I liked what Harold did. If anything, I admire(d) it.

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    kittiekat10105

    [16]Feb 18, 2009
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    Harold without a doubt. What did Courtney ever do to him? I understand it was to get back at Duncan, but that was harsh.
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    BrainMan820

    [17]Feb 19, 2009
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    I find it odd that people say no one other then Duncan cared about Courtney on the Bass team. It's clear that she and Bridgette were friends. Courtney only ever got mad at her for dropping a stage light on her head and lighting the tent on fire, pretty understandable reactions. Courtney and Geoff also had a very cordial relationship. He did stand up for her with Chris when the votes were suspect, as well as DJ.

    Harold was the one who lacked friends. He only got along with Leshawna and Sadie.

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    HankL

    [18]Feb 19, 2009
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    kittiekat10105 wrote:
    Harold without a doubt. What did Courtney ever do to him? I understand it was to get back at Duncan, but that was harsh.

    Courtney called him gross multiple times when Duncan did something to him to make it look like he did something gross (i.e. the Underwear S'Mores) and she was a totally bossy witch with a capital B to him and pretty much everyone on the team. As Katie, Sadie, Eva and the others said "Nobody really liked you that much" or "Didn't see it, Don't Care". As far as I'm concerned, due to Duncan's behaviour and Courtney's as well, Harold was justified in his actions. Trent was not.

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    BrainMan820

    [19]Feb 19, 2009
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    Actually, Courtney never called Harold gross, she said it was gross that he threw s'mores underwear right in front of her. Not to mention Courtney did very little to Harold. The only thing she ever said to him was "you suck at dodgeball" and "those little arms aren't going to cut it." And, Harold did in fact, suck at dodgeball. This, of course, leaves out how Courtney praised Harold after winning his two challenges. Harold was far worse to Courtney then she ever was to him.

    The only person who said no one liked Courtney was Lindsay, and, when you consider that Lindsay can't tell camper from camper, and had no interaction with Courtney, her opinion isn't really to be taken at face value. When you couple that with the ones who didn't support her were Eva and Noah, who didn't support anyone, that's not much to go on.

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    nyfan

    [20]Feb 19, 2009
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    BrainMan820 wrote:

    Actually, Courtney never called Harold gross, she said it was gross that he threw s'mores underwear right in front of her. Not to mention Courtney did very little to Harold. The only thing she ever said to him was "you suck at dodgeball" and "those little arms aren't going to cut it." And, Harold did in fact, suck at dodgeball. This, of course, leaves out how Courtney praised Harold after winning his two challenges. Harold was far worse to Courtney then she ever was to him.

    The only person who said no one liked Courtney was Lindsay, and, when you consider that Lindsay can't tell camper from camper, and had no interaction with Courtney, her opinion isn't really to be taken at face value. When you couple that with the ones who didn't support her were Eva and Noah, who didn't support anyone, that's not much to go on.

    Let's clearify a bit, Lindsay said "No one liked you (Courtney) very much". That is very different from saying no one liked you at all. I don't think it is crazy to think Courtney constaint reminder of being a CIT, got on a few people nerves.

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