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    mjstrycharz

    [1]Dec 4, 2006
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    Personally I think Zuko is the most interesting character on the show and I hope we see a spin-off series from him. Anyway, I'm sure most of you were pretty steamed over his choice at the end of season 2. A lot of you were grasping at straws saying "he may still be good", "if his scar was healed, he would have been good", or "Uncle's look was more like a 'we got her'" (examples).. The fact of the matter is he made his choice. Even though the show has fantastic elements such as bending, spirts, etc., the show has always followed a logical reasoning for every character's action. Iroh was legitimately disapointed in his his nephew (from my perspective). The fact that Zuko made the wrong choice is something he will eventually have to take responsability for. However, it does seem unusual for Zuko to go through his humbliing experiences and not make the correct decision to join Aang, almost like his entire role this season was a waste. I'm sure he has his reasons, even though his family consists of jerks they are still family. An unconditional love precedent takes place and was glad the writers decided to gradually steer him away from it over a whole season. On that note: there are things in the last episode that were not fully addressed:

    1. Zuko challeneged Azula to a Agni Kai but she refused. What is it and will it be brought up again in the next season? Also, Zuko has yet to try his lightning deflect technique against Azula.

    2. During the fight between Kataara and Zuko, she yells "I thought you had changed" to which he replies "I have changed". In what way did he change if he reverted back to his old habits? Was the fight a ruse or he felt he changed for other reasons?

    3. It took awhile for Iroh to come to the rescue. What did he and Zuko talk about when they were alone, if they even talked at all??? How did he escape? Did Zuko help him out? Did he break free and if so, what took him so long to intervene?

    4. During the big fight scene, they showed Azula fairly pleased at her brother helping her out throughout the entire thing. Is Zuko working to gain her trust or am I reading too much into it? Also, does this set the stage for Zuko to betray Azula later on?

    There are other things but this is getting too long as it is. Ok I said what I had to say. Discuss!

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    Cj60

    [2]Dec 4, 2006
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    i wanted zuko to be good. and I'd be willing to believe to say he's working for her trust, but what he said about betraying uncle wills me to believe theory number ... well the part in your paragraph where he will have to deal with his decision.
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    esteven20

    [3]Dec 4, 2006
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    zuko is the best why he have to be a **** and go bad again
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    jjz5020

    [4]Dec 4, 2006
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    I'm still hoping for Zuko to join the gang. All of Aangs past teachers have been kids. Cept for Master Paku but Aang didnt have enough time with him and learned much more from Katara. I'm a little ticked about the fight at the end of Crossroads of destiny. You'd think having the power over three elements would be more than enough to beat a person only wielding one. Another thing I noticed watching the final fight was that Aang hardly used air bending he primarily stuck to earth bending.
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    16ds

    [5]Dec 4, 2006
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    I want Zuko to be good but he keeps changing?? his mind if he wants to be or not. he has that honor thing in his head
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    Lachlaan

    [6]Dec 4, 2006
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    An Agni Kai (I really have no idea how that's really spelled not being a native english speaker and all that[or an eastern language speaker for that matter]) is a duel. It's the duel that Zuko was challanged to by his father. The duel in which he got his scar. See eppy 12 season 1 "The Storm".
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    lostxfairytale

    [7]Dec 4, 2006
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    I don't think Zuko is all bad again. Why letting him go through so much changes and then just?? let him become "evil" again? That makes no sense. No.. i'm still trusting Zuko to??betray Azula and join??the??good side?? he's just still confused about himself??and his destiny, but he'll come around... sometime....
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    Lachlaan

    [8]Dec 4, 2006
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    Maybe Zuko was just jelous because Katara hugged Aang, pretty much showing Zuko that he has no chance of being with her. Of course there is that whole honor thing that he wants and that's probably more important to him than Katara. I guess there are these three theories that are the most plausable. #1 Zuko's jelous that Katara hugged Aang (not that likely but it could've contributed to the choice making process)
    #2 Zuko decided that he can't stand by and live a normal life, he has to claim his throne and dethrone/kill his father.
    #3 Zuko decided that he can't stand by and live a normal life, he has to try and restore his honor and never disobey/dishonor his father again.

    Maybe we could have a little vote on this topic, whadda ya say ? And feel free to add other theories or variations to mine.
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    Eman5805

    [9]Dec 4, 2006
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    If people have been paying attention to what I've been saying you'd have seen something like this coming. I said a couple weeks ago. That somehow someway Zuko was going back to the Fire Nation. I'm kinda leaning toward thinking he seriously IS trying to get his father's love again, but that'll change. But, the fact that Zuko is trusting Azula makes me doubt that he's dumb enough to make the same mistake TWICE.

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    lostxfairytale

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    That Zuko wants his fathers love, that,??I can understand.. not that's good, but??I understand.??but that he's??stupid to trust anything??Azula is saying, no. "Azula always lies" And??I don't think he'll forget the fact that she almost killed Iroh and wants him dead to. Yeah.. if he trusts her he needs a very hard??kick from me?? (don't get me wrong,??I love him)
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    tico1125

    [11]Dec 4, 2006
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    mjstrycharz wrote:

    Personally I think Zuko is the most interesting character on the show and I hope we see a spin-off series from him. Anyway, I'm sure most of you were pretty steamed over his choice at the end of season 2. A lot of you were grasping at straws saying "he may still be good", "if his scar was healed, he would have been good", or "Uncle's look was more like a 'we got her'" (examples).. The fact of the matter is he made his choice. Even though the show has fantastic elements such as bending, spirts, etc., the show has always followed a logical reasoning for every character's action. Iroh was legitimately disapointed in his his nephew (from my perspective). The fact that Zuko made the wrong choice is something he will eventually have to take responsability for. However, it does seem unusual for Zuko to go through his humbliing experiences and not make the correct decision to join Aang, almost like his entire role this season was a waste. I'm sure he has his reasons, even though his family consists of jerks they are still family. An unconditional love precedent takes place and was glad the writers decided to gradually steer him away from it over a whole season. On that note: there are things in the last episode that were not fully addressed:

    1. Zuko challeneged Azula to a Agni Kai but she refused. What is it and will it be brought up again in the next season? Also, Zuko has yet to try his lightning deflect technique against Azula.

    2. During the fight between Kataara and Zuko, she yells "I thought you had changed" to which he replies "I have changed". In what way did he change if he reverted back to his old habits? Was the fight a ruse or he felt he changed for other reasons?

    3. It took awhile for Iroh to come to the rescue. What did he and Zuko talk about when they were alone, if they even talked at all? How did he escape? Did Zuko help him out? Did he break free and if so, what took him so long to intervene?

    4. During the big fight scene, they showed Azula fairly pleased at her brother helping her out throughout the entire thing. Is Zuko working to gain her trust or am I reading too much into it? Also, does this set the stage for Zuko to betray Azula later on?

    There are other things but this is getting too long as it is. Ok I said what I had to say. Discuss!


    Bingo on your questions!

    From what I noticed Zuko showed no emotion on any of his attacks while Azula was happy that her brother took her side.?? Iroh said when they were alone, "You are now much wiser, stronger, and freer.?? So now you have come to the crossroads of your destiny.?? You can now choose good."

    So Zuko did make the choice.?? He held back on his attacks with Aang and Katara.?? Who attacked Aang when he was in the Avatar State??? Not Zuko.?? Zuko held back to gain Azula's trust.?? So he can get close and take her down in the right time.?? When do you think he won her trust??? I say it was when Katara had Azula's leg and arm.?? He freed Azula and that was when she was satisfied.?? He already convinced himself that Azula always lies.?? (Zuko Alone ep.)?? So now Zuko is wiser with a greater understanding.?? There were plenty of chances for him to take out Katara and Aang but he hesitated.??

    Another thing I thought about was Aang with mastering the Avatar state.?? He had to look inside of himself to open the chakras.?? Each chakra that he opened dealt with a different aspect of his life.?? When he unlocked the final chakra he was given the cosmic power expected.?? Now Zuko is in the same boat as Aang.?? He is not whole just yet because he is just starting on accepting his inner turmoil.?? I think that if Zuko visited the Guru that he would find himself better than ever and become the most powerful firebender.
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    andreitayehp

    [12]Dec 4, 2006
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    I think Zuzu is the most fascinating character in the whole series. Is the one that most changes has gotten, the one whit the best history line, the bravest, the most handsome ect, the best! And all that Blue Spirit stuff is just cool(have I mencioned I'm what kids call Zutarian? ) I mean, he, as said to Katara Has change!

    He, in Iroh's words is stronger, WISER, an more free than ever! Sure he realised long ago that Azula dies for be the main ruler of the Fire Nation, so she won't help Zuko to be honorable, cus it's just inconvenient for her. And he, sinse he was the cutiest boy in the world kwons azula is a lier "azula always lies", he wants to betray her, know all of her plans, gain all of her trust, put the dai li againts her, etc

    I alredy thought that Iroh and Zuzu had a very important talk while Azula was fighting Aang and Katara, and that both uncle and nephew are amazing actors, just like Azula. Besides, I think that as he is strongest that ever, he is perfectly able to kill Katara in real fight, and he didn't.

    ??If Zuko was nasty when Ang arrived with his uncle, it wasn't cus he was with the avatar, it was because (this is waht I think) he has a crush on Katara, he got very jaleous cus she huged him, and very angry cus they interrupted that moment. I think he has a very secret crush on her since the expressin of his face when he found Katara's necklace in the imprisoned chapter, it was very special, and in the waterbending scroll one, that quote, "I'll protect you from pirates" wasn't really necessary, besides, in the Bato, from the water tribu chapter, June said "your girlfriend" to him, several times -"so, your girlfrien leaved you?" "so this is is your girlfriend, I understand why she left you, she's way too pretty for ya!"- Zuko seems didn't care at all, but he got really mad in tales of ba sin??se??when a man said, about jinko, "are you and your girlfriend going for a dessert?"??And I havent forgoten what aunt wu said to Katara"You'll marry whit a very powerfull bender", and that's not Aang, Aunt Wu din't see love for him, and he alredy opened his seventh chakra I almost forgot! It was really hilarious for me when, in the siege of the north said to katara something like you have grown a lot, did he mean "you are more attractive than before?"

    I think that Iroh and Zukos plans are: The ones I said in the second paragraph, and to set free Iroh, in the Blue Spirit costume, then Iroh can teach fire bending to Aang, and remember Mai has a crush on Zuko, and is not scarred by Azula, so I think she will be his allied, he even could manage to learn Ty Lee and Mai combat tactics. And Zuko want's to destroy her sister, and you know what they say: i you can't against them, join them!

    I think (and hope)??this will happen, the first chapter, it's gonna be just the siblings in ba si se, how zuko earns his sisters trust, zuko spending time with ty lee and mai -i'll love to see that - Azula's future plans and stuff like that, the second Wath hapened to the gang, I think they must come back with the guru, they don't have any options, they could show a little of the siblings, and I'd love to know what hapened with the freedom fighters and the kyoshi warriors, I think Aang will realise that he really nneds to learn fire bending, and that now they need to create an army, incluiding freedom fighters and the kyoshi warriors, and hakoda's warriors, and warriors from the north pole. And in the 3th chapter, they could sho toph trying to convince the gang to go and free Iroh, with the help of katara -remember Iroh helped her to save Aang- so they arrives, and iroh is very calm, and happy and says something like "thanks, really, but actually that wasn't necesary, then the blue spirit arrives to free him, and Aang goes mad, but zuko drop his broadswords, and raises his hands while Iroh, spops him and tell them the plan, so zuko coul'd be an spy to the gang, while aang learn firebending, until iroh is killed by azula, so zuko shows her his betrayal, and escapes with the gang to end Aangs training, if a director or an editor of avatar is reeading this, please, do this!

    PD: Remember Zuzu's alucinations, they were predictions! He saw his uncle and sister trying to convinse him in dragon's form, so I really spect that he will become the Fire Lord, and he will oficialy stop the war after Aang defeats his father, and remember he had Aang's face! And I think he'll see his mother again and will discover she has suffered a lot, maybe she is a Joo Dee! (kiding)

    The worst part of all was that the??B I T C H??has her trone, and zuzu just doesn't

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    blobbysoph

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    yer i agree..
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    tico1125

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    andreitayehp wrote:

    I think Zuzu is the most fascinating character in the whole series. Is the one that most changes has gotten, the one whit the best history line, the bravest, the most handsome ect, the best! And all that Blue Spirit stuff is just cool(have I mencioned I'm what kids call Zutarian? ) I mean, he, as said to Katara Has change!

    He, in Iroh's words is stronger, WISER, an more free than ever! Sure he realised long ago that Azula dies for be the main ruler of the Fire Nation, so she won't help Zuko to be honorable, cus it's just inconvenient for her. And he, sinse he was the cutiest boy in the world kwons azula is a lier "azula always lies", he wants to betray her, know all of her plans, gain all of her trust, put the dai li againts her, etc

    I alredy thought that Iroh and Zuzu had a very important talk while Azula was fighting Aang and Katara, and that both uncle and nephew are amazing actors, just like Azula. Besides, I think that as he is strongest that ever, he is perfectly able to kill Katara in real fight, and he didn't.

    If Zuko was nasty when Ang arrived with his uncle, it wasn't cus he was with the avatar, it was because (this is waht I think) he has a crush on Katara, he got very jaleous cus she huged him, and very angry cus they interrupted that moment. I think he has a very secret crush on her since the expressin of his face when he found Katara's necklace in the imprisoned chapter, it was very special, and in the waterbending scroll one, that quote, "I'll protect you from pirates" wasn't really necessary, besides, in the Bato, from the water tribu chapter, June said "your girlfriend" to him, several times -"so, your girlfrien leaved you?" "so this is is your girlfriend, I understand why she left you, she's way too pretty for ya!"- Zuko seems didn't care at all, but he got really mad in tales of ba sin se when a man said, about jinko, "are you and your girlfriend going for a dessert?" And I havent forgoten what aunt wu said to Katara"You'll marry whit a very powerfull bender", and that's not Aang, Aunt Wu din't see love for him, and he alredy opened his seventh chakra I almost forgot! It was really hilarious for me when, in the siege of the north said to katara something like you have grown a lot, did he mean "you are more attractive than before?"

    I think that Iroh and Zukos plans are: The ones I said in the second paragraph, and to set free Iroh, in the Blue Spirit costume, then Iroh can teach fire bending to Aang, and remember Mai has a crush on Zuko, and is not scarred by Azula, so I think she will be his allied, he even could manage to learn Ty Lee and Mai combat tactics. And Zuko want's to destroy her sister, and you know what they say: i you can't against them, join them!

    I think (and hope) this will happen, the first chapter, it's gonna be just the siblings in ba si se, how zuko earns his sisters trust, zuko spending time with ty lee and mai -i'll love to see that - Azula's future plans and stuff like that, the second Wath hapened to the gang, I think they must come back with the guru, they don't have any options, they could show a little of the siblings, and I'd love to know what hapened with the freedom fighters and the kyoshi warriors, I think Aang will realise that he really nneds to learn fire bending, and that now they need to create an army, incluiding freedom fighters and the kyoshi warriors, and hakoda's warriors, and warriors from the north pole. And in the 3th chapter, they could sho toph trying to convince the gang to go and free Iroh, with the help of katara -remember Iroh helped her to save Aang- so they arrives, and iroh is very calm, and happy and says something like "thanks, really, but actually that wasn't necesary, then the blue spirit arrives to free him, and Aang goes mad, but zuko drop his broadswords, and raises his hands while Iroh, spops him and tell them the plan, so zuko coul'd be an spy to the gang, while aang learn firebending, until iroh is killed by azula, so zuko shows her his betrayal, and escapes with the gang to end Aangs training, if a director or an editor of avatar is reeading this, please, do this!

    PD: Remember Zuzu's alucinations, they were predictions! He saw his uncle and sister trying to convinse him in dragon's form, so I really spect that he will become the Fire Lord, and he will oficialy stop the war after Aang defeats his father, and remember he had Aang's face! And I think he'll see his mother again and will discover she has suffered a lot, maybe she is a Joo Dee! (kiding)

    The worst part of all was that the B I T C H has her trone, and zuzu just doesn't


    Very good thinking.?? It was a little difficult to read but I get the overall concepts.??

    As for Zuko's dreams.?? The one with him seeing himself with an arrow on his head.?? I have taken it that it is a sign he is suppose to help Aang and vice versa.?? Aang and Zuko are very much alike in the aspects of having inner turmoil.?? Think about how Zuko will only be able to cast lightening when his inner turmoil is dealt with.?? The same went for Aang with master the AS.?? It is going to come down to both of them getting through the turmoil with the Guru.?? I think Zuko is even going to get to meet the Guru.?? There he is going to learn about the Chakras and open them so he can become the most powerful firebender.??
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    andreitayehp

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    Sorry, but english is not my mother tonge That theory about the guru and zuko becoming the most powerful firebender matchs perfectly with aunt wu predictions: "you'll marry with a very powerfull bender, I think, after Iroh explains their master plan, Katara will say: "sorry for haven't trust you", and zuko will take his mask of, and will say "don't worry, it was all my fault, anyway", and will smile just like he did at the beginin of the guru, and everybody but iroh, and toph will put a WTF face
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    tico1125

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    andreitayehp wrote:
    Sorry, but english is not my mother tonge That theory about the guru and zuko becoming the most powerful firebender matchs perfectly with aunt wu predictions: "you'll marry with a very powerfull bender, I think, after Iroh explains their master plan, Katara will say: "sorry for haven't trust you", and zuko will take his mask of, and will say "don't worry, it was all my fault, anyway", and will smile just like he did at the beginin of the guru, and everybody but iroh, and toph will put a WTF face

    No worries about your English.?? It was still understandable.?? Anyways it looks like you have the "WTF" down perfectly.?? That is an essential phrase that you need to know for forum communique.?? Lol.

    As for Zuko getting with Katara.?? I can tell you that they are not going to get together unless somehow Aangs finds a new girl that he falls for.?? They need to tie up the loose end of him being the Last Airbender.?? Meaning they have to somehow restore balance and rebuild the airbender nation.?? Think about that for a bit.?? I know that you are all for Zutara but they have to make things flow right.
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    Ayn_Ilial

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    Okay, here are my two cents:

    It???s easy for someone to say they are ready to start over a new and less angsty life if that is what you are presented with. But as soon as you have decided, someone comes up to you and says, here is everything you have wanted for the last three years on a silver platter, all you have to do is come and get it, then what? Zuko is ultimately driven by a need for honor, and thanks to his family, he has a pretty twisted definition of honor. That, and his need for his father???s approval. He???s like the battered wife that still comes home each day, believing that things will be different this time. He believes that not helping to defeat Ba Sing Se, he would be betraying his nation, which, he would be. Lately the line has been blurred, but we must remember, that deep down, Zuko is on the side of the enemy and he has been conditioned as such for his whole life.

    As for repenting and joining the gAang in the future, I just don't see it happening. I mean, no matter what his intentions, he assisted in almost killing the Avatar. You don???t just come back from that. There goes any hope for him joining up with them. Which I am a little glad for, cause that would have stalled out Zuko???s story for season 3.

    Azula is amazingly manipulative and she knows the best way how to push his buttons. I agree she is would turn on him in 2.2 seconds as soon as it serves her needs but for now, it is better for her to have him close as he is an amazing fighter and she knows how to control him. Will he turn on her eventually? Yes. The show would not be as satisfying unless Zuko brings down Azula. But first he must return to the fire nation and come to his own sense of power. He is afterall, the son of the Fire Lord and partially responsible for the take down of Ba Sing Se. After this is when he will challenge his sister and ultimatly defeat her. And not until he gains the power of the Fire Nation can he ultimately turn not just himself, but his whole nation to the side of balance. That is his story arc. It will be Zuko who ends the war, not Aang. This is Zuko???s show as much as it is Aangs. I???m not suggesting that Aang is not important or that he won???t help, but I believe that Zuko will be the key player in ending the fighting. But it will be from the Fire Nation side, not with Aang and crew.
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    andreitayehp

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    ??I'm a Zutarian just because I'm tired that the good woman is the heroe's girlfriend or stuff like that, that's all, but Aang alredy has opened his 7th chakra!, anyway, I think Aang will die at the end, then will see something like Avatar: the last war or something, with a female avatar, maybe Katara's and Zuko's daughterr XP (kiding) we'll, It's just I'm very??feminist. I'm agree with you, Aang will discover he is not the last air bender, actualy, this show is called Avatar: The legend of Aang in all countries but America, and Germany, in there is something like: Avatar: The Master of all Four Elements, so I think that that change of name may have a very important reason, like they realised that they made a mistake with??the name of the show too late, and in other countries the tv show aired later, so they corrected that. What??does mean lol? ??
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    Eman5805

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    Like I said many weeks ago: When it's all said and done, we'll be hearing "Hail, Fire Lord Zuko." Just before the credits roll, and maybe Aang and his Squad will be right there appluading him. Happy ending n all that...then a giant demon spirit or something??comes and there's the start of season 4

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    andreitayehp

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    Ayn_Ilial wrote:
    Okay, here are my two cents:

    It???s easy for someone to say they are ready to start over a new and less angsty life if that is what you are presented with. But as soon as you have decided, someone comes up to you and says, here is everything you have wanted for the last three years on a silver platter, all you have to do is come and get it, then what? Zuko is ultimately driven by a need for honor, and thanks to his family, he has a pretty twisted definition of honor. That, and his need for his father???s approval. He???s like the battered wife that still comes home each day, believing that things will be different this time. He believes that not helping to defeat Ba Sing Se, he would be betraying his nation, which, he would be. Lately the line has been blurred, but we must remember, that deep down, Zuko is on the side of the enemy and he has been conditioned as such for his whole life.

    As for repenting and joining the gAang in the future, I just don't see it happening. I mean, no matter what his intentions, he assisted in almost killing the Avatar. You don???t just come back from that. There goes any hope for him joining up with them. Which I am a little glad for, cause that would have stalled out Zuko???s story for season 3.

    Azula is amazingly manipulative and she knows the best way how to push his buttons. I agree she is would turn on him in 2.2 seconds as soon as it serves her needs but for now, it is better for her to have him close as he is an amazing fighter and she knows how to control him. Will he turn on her eventually? Yes. The show would not be as satisfying unless Zuko brings down Azula. But first he must return to the fire nation and come to his own sense of power. He is afterall, the son of the Fire Lord and partially responsible for the take down of Ba Sing Se. After this is when he will challenge his sister and ultimatly defeat her. And not until he gains the power of the Fire Nation can he ultimately turn not just himself, but his whole nation to the side of balance. That is his story arc. It will be Zuko who ends the war, not Aang. This is Zuko???s show as much as it is Aangs. I???m not suggesting that Aang is not important or that he won???t help, but I believe that Zuko will be the key player in ending the fighting. But it will be from the Fire Nation side, not with Aang and crew.

    I would be agree with you, but Zuko is 16 or 17 , he has madurated a lot, he has seen a lot of people suffering for this war, like Song, Lee's family, his uncle Iroh with Lu ten lost, Katara, with his mother lost... so I think he just can't be that selfish, and I don't believe??that the??metamorphosis was useless, I asure you. Anyway It would be just great to see Soka and Zuko living together, discussing for nonesences and stuff like that, and it would be quite nice that Toph and Zuko become a sort of siblings, cus both families -the royal one and the bei fong- are a big amount of?? S H I T, and they both love Iroh. don't argue against that,??I love to dream, I know that won't happen??and I'm not hurting anybody

    Edited on 12/04/2006 11:35am
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