We're moving Forums to the Community pages. Click here for more information and updates.

Avatar: The Last Airbender Forums

Nickelodeon (ended 2008)

Wrong ship sailed. total copout... spoilers

  • Avatar of PhilDiffy

    PhilDiffy

    [22]Jul 19, 2008
    • member since: 10/16/05
    • level: 9
    • rank: Door Number 2
    • posts: 755
    Jouai wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    PhilDiffy wrote:
    Vermic wrote:

    Ya ang katara is wrong

    its obvious shes with zuko

    thanks for the copout kiddie cartoon wrtier people



    I think I speak for everyone in this thread when I say "Blow me". The finale was epic, and quite well done. There's no copout of anything.
    no, you don't.

    a kataang ending isn't a problem. a badly written kataang ending is.


    Precisely. That was my qualm, as well. I never understood why there always has to be immense hostility against anyone, n00b or otherwise, who would dare to express a non-conforming opinion about the series. If Vermic or anyone else who supported Zutara is disappointed about the series' ending and wishes to express it, then so be it. I, myself, am not that big on Kataang, but I never hated it or badmouthed anyone who full-on supported it. It is what it is, and I respect every last opinion given for it, or Zutara, or any other aspect to the show.

    As for its final execution, however, it did feel as though it were lacking something. It was good that no words had bothered to be uttered on either side before they'd shared their first real/true kiss. But it still seemed (to me, at least) to lack a more enchanting element.


    Ok, see? That would be a fair opinion. How would you have altered the ending, keeping the pairing, otherwise? Just curious.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of jaketg

    jaketg

    [23]Jul 19, 2008
    • member since: 07/14/06
    • level: 6
    • rank: Small Wonder
    • posts: 1,201
    if u still think zutara exists, you are wrong, it started sinking long ago, and zutara ship epic failed more than the titanic and posidion combined, ok? May+Zuko Katara+Aang and suki+sokka won GET OVER IT NOW
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of AvatarSensation

    AvatarSensation

    [24]Jul 19, 2008
    • member since: 02/13/07
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 1,702
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    AvatarSensation wrote:
    Don't you ever, ever say anythig bad about Avatar again. I don't care how it ended, no matter what ship sailed, it will always be perfect to me.

    *Backs up fellow Avatard* THIS SHOW IS PERFECTION! HUSH YO MOUTH, FOOH!

    Yes. What happened to, "No matter what happens, I'll always be a fan?"
    This isn't about shipping anymore. That's it! Don't you understand, people? Now, if you ever were a fellow Avatard, it's plain and simple. This is about Avatar.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Jouai

    Jouai

    [25]Jul 19, 2008
    • member since: 06/10/06
    • level: 13
    • rank: Regal Beagle
    • posts: 2,216
    PhilDiffy wrote:
    Jouai wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    PhilDiffy wrote:
    Vermic wrote:

    Ya ang katara is wrong

    its obvious shes with zuko

    thanks for the copout kiddie cartoon wrtier people

    I think I speak for everyone in this thread when I say "Blow me". The finale was epic, and quite well done. There's no copout of anything.
    no, you don't. a kataang ending isn't a problem. a badly written kataang ending is.
    Precisely. That was my qualm, as well. I never understood why there always has to be immense hostility against anyone, n00b or otherwise, who would dare to express a non-conforming opinion about the series. If Vermic or anyone else who supported Zutara is disappointed about the series' ending and wishes to express it, then so be it. I, myself, am not that big on Kataang, but I never hated it or badmouthed anyone who full-on supported it. It is what it is, and I respect every last opinion given for it, or Zutara, or any other aspect to the show. As for its final execution, however, it did feel as though it were lacking something. It was good that no words had bothered to be uttered on either side before they'd shared their first real/true kiss. But it still seemed (to me, at least) to lack a more enchanting element.
    Ok, see? That would be a fair opinion. How would you have altered the ending, keeping the pairing, otherwise? Just curious.

    I thank you for saying so, PhilDiffy.

    Anyhow, being that I write stories, fanfiction or not religiously, my mind had, in truth, already begun to formulate quite a few ideas on what could have been done on an overall basis, as well as pairing wise. As for Kataang specifically, I'd always known that she would have gone to him in the end of it all, not because it was already revealed in the book version (as it's to my understanding, anyway; never bothered to read it), but because it was quite predictable from a writing aspect. As soon as she said "This isn't the right time" in chapter seventeen, that should have been and was a red flag for me that indicated her mutual feelings for Aang, and would choose him after getting over her confusion.

    Even though I will admit that I had preferred Zutara, I was never in denial about the more blatant alternative, so was aware it was officially set in stone and canon from that chapter on by those words. As for what I would have done differently, if at all, I would have kept their romantic reunion, so to speak, silent as the way the show had executed it, because their actions, and especially their eyes truly conveyed all the love and care the both of them felt for one another.

    But I think that, after such the great anticipation for Kataangers who nearly killed one another and definitely Zutarians for that moment to finally arrive, their kiss scene could have been a bit more extended. Perhaps part a moment and have Katara say something touching, or Aang say something reminiscent of the play version of himself (when the actor had said "And I wouldn't have it any other way!" after the actor who played Katara had said she only likes him like a brother or what have you). Something far more substantial and permanently lasting for the viewer, fan or not of the pairing, that would have that scene/moment stick within their minds for years to come.

    And after sparing time for other scenes, I can't see why a few more seconds could not have been alloted to do precisely that.

    Edited on 07/19/2008 10:44pm
    Edited 2 total times.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of gibsonmar

    gibsonmar

    [26]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 09/21/06
    • level: 4
    • rank: Thighmaster
    • posts: 332
    Jouai wrote:
    PhilDiffy wrote:
    Jouai wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    PhilDiffy wrote:
    Vermic wrote:

    Ya ang katara is wrong

    its obvious shes with zuko

    thanks for the copout kiddie cartoon wrtier people

    I think I speak for everyone in this thread when I say "Blow me". The finale was epic, and quite well done. There's no copout of anything.
    no, you don't. a kataang ending isn't a problem. a badly written kataang ending is.
    Precisely. That was my qualm, as well. I never understood why there always has to be immense hostility against anyone, n00b or otherwise, who would dare to express a non-conforming opinion about the series. If Vermic or anyone else who supported Zutara is disappointed about the series' ending and wishes to express it, then so be it. I, myself, am not that big on Kataang, but I never hated it or badmouthed anyone who full-on supported it. It is what it is, and I respect every last opinion given for it, or Zutara, or any other aspect to the show. As for its final execution, however, it did feel as though it were lacking something. It was good that no words had bothered to be uttered on either side before they'd shared their first real/true kiss. But it still seemed (to me, at least) to lack a more enchanting element.
    Ok, see? That would be a fair opinion. How would you have altered the ending, keeping the pairing, otherwise? Just curious.

    I thank you for saying so, PhilDiffy.

    Anyhow, being that I write stories, fanfiction or not religiously, my mind had, in truth, already begun to formulate quite a few ideas on what could have been done on an overall basis, as well as pairing wise. As for Kataang specifically, I'd always known that she would have gone to him in the end of it all, not because it was already revealed in the book version (as it's to my understanding, anyway; never bothered to read it), but because it was quite predictable from a writing aspect. As soon as she said "This isn't the right time" in chapter seventeen, that should have been and was a red flag for me that indicated her mutual feelings for Aang, and would choose him after getting over her confusion.

    Even though I will admit that I had preferred Zutara, I was never in denial about the more blatant alternative, so was aware it was officially set in stone and canon from that chapter on by those words. As for what I would have done differently, if at all, I would have kept their romantic reunion, so to speak, silent as the way the show had executed it, because their actions, and especially their eyes truly conveyed all the love and care the both of them felt for one another.

    But I think that, after such the great anticipation for Kataangers who nearly killed one another and definitely Zutarians for that moment to finally arrive, their kiss scene could have been a bit more extended. Perhaps part a moment and have Katara say something touching, or Aang say something reminiscent of the play version of himself (when the actor had said "And I wouldn't have it any other way!" after the actor who played Katara had said she only likes him like a brother or what have you). Something far more substantial and permanently lasting for the viewer, fan or not of the pairing, that would have that scene/moment stick within their minds for years to come.

    And after sparing time for other scenes, I can't see why a few more seconds could not have been alloted to do precisely that.

    I agree completly, i am a "zutarian", but i am not blind, and even if i was then after the ember island players, you have to know what was going ot happen. The end wasntt that special, the maiko one was much better than the kataang, even when kataang had been played since episode number 1.

    for zutarians, go and read or write fanfiction where you can ignore the epilogue, but stop crying, it is a ahow after all(no matter how good it is). And kataangers, it would really nice to stop this shiping war, you won, congratulations, but if anyone wants to complain (with inteligence), then you should leave them alone, after all you have a two hour movie leading to kataang.

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of suss2it

    suss2it

    [27]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 02/02/08
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 3,383
    We have an Official Relationship Discussion Thread so that people don't make useless threads that can all be said in one comment.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Comicfan1990

    Comicfan1990

    [29]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 11/13/07
    • level: 2
    • rank: Sweat Hog
    • posts: 36
    does anyone think there might be like a 3minute video of zuko and mommy united shown at comic con cus there is a pannel and there is guna b something new? like a few hints of season 4, or unanswered questions? maybe? cus they made such a deal with the ask ozai bit? gotta have ursa sumwhere?
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of DygitalNinja

    DygitalNinja

    [30]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 08/10/06
    • level: 11
    • rank: Red Shirted Lt.
    • posts: 488
    I'm not a big shipper

    but having the episode end with them kiss just didn't work.

    The show has been poking holes in the KATANG thing since the very start of the season. and after the way they ended Ember Island Players. It was down right unnatural to have Katara so harshly reject Aang

    and then make out with him the very next time the are alone together.

    A more ambigous ending for that couple what have worked out a little better.

    ------------------
    and I never really cared about Zuko and Mai...I say keep the Zutara thing kinda ambigously open as well...the two had been boding hell Zuko took a shot of lighting to save Katara
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of qtwanderer

    qtwanderer

    [31]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 06/15/05
    • level: 27
    • rank: Shark Jumper
    • posts: 9,516
    I have some mixed feelings....I still would prefered it forbidden for Avatars to love..keep it tabooed, would have went great with why facestealer(I forgot his name already O_O )took that one Avatar's (missed his name) girlfriend.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of AvatarSensation

    AvatarSensation

    [32]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 02/13/07
    • level: 14
    • rank: Autobot
    • posts: 1,702
    Hm. So it seems that the Escape From the Spirit World was important after all.
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of momothelemur

    momothelemur

    [33]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 10/04/06
    • level: 13
    • rank: Regal Beagle
    • posts: 1,264
    Jouai wrote:
    PhilDiffy wrote:
    Jouai wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    PhilDiffy wrote:
    Vermic wrote:

    Ya ang katara is wrong

    its obvious shes with zuko

    thanks for the copout kiddie cartoon wrtier people

    I think I speak for everyone in this thread when I say "Blow me". The finale was epic, and quite well done. There's no copout of anything.
    no, you don't. a kataang ending isn't a problem. a badly written kataang ending is.
    Precisely. That was my qualm, as well. I never understood why there always has to be immense hostility against anyone, n00b or otherwise, who would dare to express a non-conforming opinion about the series. If Vermic or anyone else who supported Zutara is disappointed about the series' ending and wishes to express it, then so be it. I, myself, am not that big on Kataang, but I never hated it or badmouthed anyone who full-on supported it. It is what it is, and I respect every last opinion given for it, or Zutara, or any other aspect to the show. As for its final execution, however, it did feel as though it were lacking something. It was good that no words had bothered to be uttered on either side before they'd shared their first real/true kiss. But it still seemed (to me, at least) to lack a more enchanting element.
    Ok, see? That would be a fair opinion. How would you have altered the ending, keeping the pairing, otherwise? Just curious.

    I thank you for saying so, PhilDiffy.

    Anyhow, being that I write stories, fanfiction or not religiously, my mind had, in truth, already begun to formulate quite a few ideas on what could have been done on an overall basis, as well as pairing wise. As for Kataang specifically, I'd always known that she would have gone to him in the end of it all, not because it was already revealed in the book version (as it's to my understanding, anyway; never bothered to read it), but because it was quite predictable from a writing aspect. As soon as she said "This isn't the right time" in chapter seventeen, that should have been and was a red flag for me that indicated her mutual feelings for Aang, and would choose him after getting over her confusion.

    Even though I will admit that I had preferred Zutara, I was never in denial about the more blatant alternative, so was aware it was officially set in stone and canon from that chapter on by those words. As for what I would have done differently, if at all, I would have kept their romantic reunion, so to speak, silent as the way the show had executed it, because their actions, and especially their eyes truly conveyed all the love and care the both of them felt for one another.

    But I think that, after such the great anticipation for Kataangers who nearly killed one another and definitely Zutarians for that moment to finally arrive, their kiss scene could have been a bit more extended. Perhaps part a moment and have Katara say something touching, or Aang say something reminiscent of the play version of himself (when the actor had said "And I wouldn't have it any other way!" after the actor who played Katara had said she only likes him like a brother or what have you). Something far more substantial and permanently lasting for the viewer, fan or not of the pairing, that would have that scene/moment stick within their minds for years to come.

    And after sparing time for other scenes, I can't see why a few more seconds could not have been alloted to do precisely that.

    I like you. You make sense.

    I've always been for Zutara but, like it was to so many others, it was obvious to me that Kataang would happen. I think it would've been great to have some closing dialogue like Jouai mentioned.

    Also, I've got to admit that I'm looking forward to the Zutara videos that'll come out soon. There are some truly amazing ones out there...just think what can happen when there's actually material to use

    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Jouai

    Jouai

    [34]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 06/10/06
    • level: 13
    • rank: Regal Beagle
    • posts: 2,216
    momothelemur wrote:
    I like you. You make sense.

    I've always been for Zutara but, like it was to so many others, it was obvious to me that Kataang would happen. I think it would've been great to have some closing dialogue like Jouai mentioned.

    Also, I've got to admit that I'm looking forward to the Zutara videos that'll come out soon. There are some truly amazing ones out there...just think what can happen when there's actually material to use

    LoL And I certainly appreciate the effort to notice, momothelemur.

    Now those Zutara videos, fanart and fanfiction are definitely ones for the ages, with the phenomenal effort and work put into each (from what I see, anyhow). ^_^

    Edited on 07/20/2008 5:48am
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.
  • Avatar of Jouai

    Jouai

    [35]Jul 20, 2008
    • member since: 06/10/06
    • level: 13
    • rank: Regal Beagle
    • posts: 2,216
    gibsonmar wrote:
    for zutarians, go and read or write fanfiction where you can ignore the epilogue, but stop crying, it is a ahow after all(no matter how good it is). And kataangers, it would really nice to stop this shiping war, you won, congratulations, but if anyone wants to complain (with inteligence), then you should leave them alone, after all you have a two hour movie leading to kataang.

    Thanks for agreeing, gibsonmar, and you're right. That's what, I always thought, anyway, the beauty of this series' creation was all about. Giving rise to a multitude of unique and beautifully creative facets for fans all over the world to express their affinity towards it, by making all of those works of art (fanart or fanfiction, doesn't matter).

    As I'd said, I was more so Zutara-lenient, but I have come across quite a few of well written, realistic Kataang fanfics out there, as well, that one has no choice but to respect regardless of personal preferences on either side of the spectrum of this eternal argument.

    But there are also a fantastic amount of remarkable Zutara fics out there, as well, and I've never found it fair nor completely cognizant that, to choose to or wish to express one's own personal opinion of enthusiasm, either through simple thread posts, or more avowed tributes such as the fanfiction, is essentially an automatic resigning to be persecuted for it.

    There were, are, and will be far many other shipwars out there, and for many other series, and I have never seen it be this scurrilous -- And on a website that habitually reports, suspends, and perhaps later bans its members for even the smallest infraction, it seems, it's quite surprising to me all the more that this has all managed to go on for as long as it has.

    Live and let live, for true, because bickering back and forth won't change things nor enhance them for either side.

    Edited on 07/20/2008 6:09am
    You must be registered and logged in to post a message.