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Why do you Fire-lord Azulon made Ozai the new Fire-Lord

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    pooldude256

    [20]Jun 16, 2006
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    I want to know how Iroh reacted. He had to have known he was first-in-line for the succession of the throne. Although he is more sympathetic, so if Ozai told Iroh Azulon told him he wanted him (Ozai) to take the throne because of Iroh's loss, he might not dispute it.

    My theory is Ursa killed Azulon because Ozai could never take the chance of someone ever finding out it was him. Ursa did it because she loved Ozai, and fled because she knew she'd be executed if anyone discovered she killed the Fire Lord. Then Ozai told the sages that it was his father's dying wish for him to become fire lord, but they didn't believe him. He pulled one of those, "I can't believe you would disrespect the dying wish of one of the greatest men to ever live, not to mention a leader of ours at one time!" and the sages, after thinking about it, crowned Ozai the new Fire Lord.
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    neverbeenpinker

    [21]Jun 16, 2006
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    pooldude256 wrote:
    I want to know how Iroh reacted. He had to have known he was first-in-line for the succession of the throne. Although he is more sympathetic, so if Ozai told Iroh Azulon told him he wanted him (Ozai) to take the throne because of Iroh's loss, he might not dispute it.

    My theory is Ursa killed Azulon because Ozai could never take the chance of someone ever finding out it was him. Ursa did it because she loved Ozai, and fled because she knew she'd be executed if anyone discovered she killed the Fire Lord. Then Ozai told the sages that it was his father's dying wish for him to become fire lord, but they didn't believe him. He pulled one of those, "I can't believe you would disrespect the dying wish of one of the greatest men to ever live, not to mention a leader of ours at one time!" and the sages, after thinking about it, crowned Ozai the new Fire Lord.


    i bet iroh was a little too distressed to really have any disire to be fire-lord at the time.

    and also, ursa doesn't really strike me as the kind to murder someone and run for it. i think it more likely that if ursa had killed him, she would have stuck around as long as possible for her kids, and then faced the concequences.

    plus, i think it even MORE unlikely that she kill her father-in-law just so her husband could be fire-lord. she's just not that power-hungry. even if she loved her husband, she wouldn't kill his father so he could rule.

    especially if it meant abandoning her kids.
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    Citoreh

    [22]Jun 16, 2006
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    I don think that Azullon could have been any clearer saying Ozai wasn't gonna get the throne. I think, that knowing Iroh well, Ozai arranged the murder of Irohs son, which dealt Iroh a serious emotional blow, causing him to lose the siege at Ba-Sing-Se. After that, i think he had two plas. Plan A - convince Azulon Iroh is a complete failure and shouldnt have the throne. Plan B- If that didnt work, he would just simply kill his father, its not like he is some young, ambitious fighter, he could have easily killed him.
    Anyways, Iroh would have made a much much much better firelord, and may have even gotten them out of the war.
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    neverbeenpinker

    [23]Jun 16, 2006
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    i think it was probably pretty possible that ozai arranged luten's death, so that he could pick off his father, and iroh would be too distressed after his son's death to want the throne.

    but when iroh got so upset that he withdrew from the battle,??ozai thought "well, okay, maybe this will be a little easier than i thought" and decided to just try and convince azulon that iroh was weak and unfit to be leader instead of trying to kill him. but then azulon thought that ozai?? politicking over luten's death and iroh's misery was dispicable, ozai maybe then just??killed him anyway.

    of course this still leaves a lot of holes, like what happened to azulon's wish that ozai kill zuko, why was it that ursa disappeared the same night that ozai (supposedly) killed azulon, and how was it azulon's "dying wish that ozai be the next fire-lord, and stuff like that.

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    Eman5805

    [24]Jun 16, 2006
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    I just have a gut feeling that Azulon's death wasn't an accident...but as to who killed him...i don't know...but Azulon's "dying wish" was for Ozai to be Fire Lord...and I don't see how Azulon would say that after saying "you, your punishment(or suffering) has just begun" then when he dies says "you can be fire lord" not believing that for a second...I also think that Ursa's disapperance has something to do with it too...maybe Azulon actually said what Azula told Zuko and his mother found out ,kills Azulon to protect Zuko(remember the whole??turtleduck thing? when you??try to hurt a mother's??kid??they??bite you?)??and flees the palace...but that wouldn't explain??the "his dying wish" mystery

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    Colonel_Brian

    [25]Jun 16, 2006
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    Ursa wouldn't Flee she told Zuko that she did it for him for his protection so if she would?? have killed Azulon she would stay not ditch her family.
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    LyokianKnight

    [26]Jun 16, 2006
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    If Ursa were dead, she wouldn't be able to protect Zuko, that's why she fled instead of staying, because she knew Ozai wouldn't kill Zuko.
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    Eman5805

    [27]Jun 16, 2006
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    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Ursa wouldn't Flee she told Zuko that she did it for him for his protection so if she would?? have killed Azulon she would stay not ditch her family.

    perhaps she killed Azulon and took a decree stating that Zuko and Ozai would have an Agni Kai...perhaps that was Ozai's punishment...to face his own son to keep his place in the line...just throwin ideas around ya know...

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    neverbeenpinker

    [28]Jun 17, 2006
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    ursa seems more like the kind of person who would sacrifice herself to save zuko, rather than kill her own father-in-law.

    that would have explained the whole "evrything i've done, i've done to protect you" part, but none of our theories explain why azulon died the same night ursa disappeared and why his dying wish was for ozai to be fire-lord when he had just told him there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell he was going to pick ozai over iroh.
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    bdllbo

    [29]Jan 9, 2007
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    I think Ursa changed his mind. She gave herself for Zuko or made some kind of deal to save his life.
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    Maylene

    [30]Jan 9, 2007
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    Hmm this is puzzling. Maybe Ozai had Azulon's will of succession forged? However I don't think Ursa paid with her life, and yes I think she played a role in this too. But I don't think she's dead. People said Zuko's going to look for his mother in season. Also, in Zuko's dragon dream, his mother was asking for his help. So I think she's in trouble of some sort, maybe. But dead? Well it doesn't seem like Ozai didn't care for his wife. I think he did. After all two children (Iroh only had one)? Silence at the end of Zuko Alone, when Zuko asked about Ursa? Then there is speculation that Azula had something to do with the death of her grandpa too....
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