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Why do you Fire-lord Azulon made Ozai the new Fire-Lord

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    IceMasterZ

    [1]Jun 15, 2006
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    And what killed him

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    Perephal

    [2]Jun 15, 2006
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    hmm I do not think Azulon did make Ozai fire lord, I'm 99 percent sure that Ozai lied.

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    SatelliteFusion

    [3]Jun 15, 2006
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    This is what I think. Azulon told Ozai that the only way to become the fire lord is to be the next in line. Azulon was getting old so he and Iroh talked about what he would do once he died. Ozai knew that if Iroh failed at Ba-sing-seh then he wouldn't be consitered a capable fire lord by Azulon. He probably arranged for Luten to be killed by an assasin (because Iroh was to well protected). Once Iroh knew of this he withdrew form Bah-sing-seh (I'm not sure how to spell it) and was consitered a failure. Since Iroh was out of his way, all Ozai had to deal with Azulon. he probably arranged for them to have tea together or something and slipped poison into his drink. Ozai then was the next in line to the throne.?? ??
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    neverbeenpinker

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    i am almost a hundred percent sure that azulon never wanted ozai to be fire lord before iroh. we all saw how pissed he was at ozai for even suggesting that he betray iroh.

    maybe ozai somehow made azulon believe that iroh had died at Bah-Sing-Sei or on the journey home, and the shock killed azulon.

    i mean, it probably didn't happen, but it's possible.

    what we really need to know to figure out exactly what happened, is who was it that??heard??azulon's "dying wish"?

    if it was??ozai that supposedly heard it, then the royal family is full of ditzes, because that would have been only to obvious that he was lying. if it was, like, that pope-guy, then maybe someone bought him off.

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    Spiffyonline

    [5]Jun 15, 2006
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    Azulon said you must feel the pain of losing a first born son, so Mom sacrificed herself and Ozai killed Azulon to take the throne inconspiculously.

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    the_yssa

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    Spiffyonline wrote:

    Azulon said you must feel the pain of losing a first born son, so Mom sacrificed herself and Ozai killed Azulon to take the throne inconspiculously.


    Yeah, we'll go with that!
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    neverbeenpinker

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    Spiffyonline wrote:

    Azulon said you must feel the pain of losing a first born son, so Mom sacrificed herself and Ozai killed Azulon to take the throne inconspiculously.


    you don't think killing off the fire-lord would be conspicuous? i think the fire-lord woul be guarded by soldiers, so he couldn't just waltz in there with a knife. and even if he had killed the fire lord, how would that make him next? every one would still think, "okay, azulon's dead, iroh's next"
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    LyokianKnight

    [8]Jun 15, 2006
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    My theory is as follows.

    Ozai asks for Azulon to deny Iroh his birthright.
    Azulon denies him and then says that line about knowning about the pain of losing your firstborn.
    Ozai tells Ursa about it and says that Azulon plans on killing Zuko.
    Ursa ambushes and kills him, under the guise of a black cloaked figure (similar to the Blue Spirit, sans the mask)
    Then Ursa leaves, not wanting to be incriminated and killed for her crime.

    It's crazy and has a few holes in it, but it's still my theory.?? As far as Ozai taking the throne, it was total bull, but Azulon was not alive to contest Ozai's false words.

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    the_yssa

    [9]Jun 15, 2006
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    LyokianKnight wrote:
    My theory is as follows.

    Ozai asks for Azulon to deny Iroh his birthright.
    Azulon denies him and then says that line about knowning about the pain of losing your firstborn.
    Ozai tells Ursa about it and says that Azulon plans on killing Zuko.
    Ursa ambushes and kills him, under the guise of a black cloaked figure (similar to the Blue Spirit, sans the mask)
    Then Ursa leaves, not wanting to be incriminated and killed for her crime.

    It's crazy and has a few holes in it, but it's still my theory.?? As far as Ozai taking the throne, it was total bull, but Azulon was not alive to contest Ozai's false words.


    Hey! That's exactly what I think!
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    neverbeenpinker

    [10]Jun 15, 2006
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    that sounds way far-fetched, and a little too.... star-wars-y. i think it more likely that ozai asked azulon to give up iroh's birthright, then azulon tells him "blah blah blah pain-of-losing-first-born-son blah blah blah" and ursa finds out about it and sacrifices herself in zuko's place. i think the death of azulon is unrelated to ursa's disappearance. i find it more likely he died because of?? something to do with ozai.
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    Gantros

    [11]Jun 15, 2006
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    I've suggested that Azulon was murdered by Azula using Zuko's Earth Kingdom blade. Iroh was still en route from Ba Sing Se, so Ozai made his claim for power while there was a vacuum and no one would dare challenge him, especially in the war climate where the presence of a leader was needed to prevent the war from stalling.
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    neverbeenpinker

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    while azula was probably capable of murdering azulon, i don't think she did. it would have been too ricky and i don't think ozai would have asked her to do that.
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    Colonel_Brian

    [13]Jun 15, 2006
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    But what if she did it on her own free will.
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    Gantros

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    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    But what if she did it on her own free will.

    Exactly, she's certainly ambitious enough and feels she has a an entitlement to power.
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    SatelliteFusion

    [15]Jun 15, 2006
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    Azula is the kind of person who would willingly kill anybody if she stood to gain something from that person's death. I don't belive she killed Azulon but she would have thought about it and possibly, if given enough time come to do it.
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    neverbeenpinker

    [16]Jun 15, 2006
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    well, yes, but what did she have to gain? what wa there to gain from killing her grandfather? the way i see it she and ozai had two choices:

    A) wait for a while and see if they could get azulon to change his mind before he died or

    B) kill him now, and make iroh fire lord even sooner.

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    Gantros

    [17]Jun 15, 2006
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    neverbeenpinker wrote:

    well, yes, but what did she have to gain? what wa there to gain from killing her grandfather? the way i see it she and ozai had two choices:

    A) wait for a while and see if they could get azulon to change his mind before he died or

    B) kill him now, and make iroh fire lord even sooner.


    You're missing the point, Ozai wanted power, Azula wanted to be next in line for the throne, Iroh was nowhere near the Fire Nation (he was on a boat most likely). Azula is ruthless and deceitful enough (not to mention a complete sociopath) to resort to any measures to place her father, whom she thought was more worthy of the role of Firelord, though this may have been a smokescreen for her own designs on the throne. By killing Azulon, Azula allowed her father, who shared similar ambitions, to claim Azulon wished him to be Firelord. Who would dare question him? Iroh was out to sea and too depressed by the loss of his son to really desire the throne. Ozai labeled him as weak and unfit to lead.
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    Gantros

    [17]Jun 15, 2006
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    Am I the only one who see's this post as having -1 posts?
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    DarkAngel101

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    Gantros wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:

    well, yes, but what did she have to gain? what wa there to gain from killing her grandfather? the way i see it she and ozai had two choices:

    A) wait for a while and see if they could get azulon to change his mind before he died or

    B) kill him now, and make iroh fire lord even sooner.


    You're missing the point, Ozai wanted power, Azula wanted to be next in line for the throne, Iroh was nowhere near the Fire Nation (he was on a boat most likely). Azula is ruthless and deceitful enough (not to mention a complete sociopath) to resort to any measures to place her father, whom she thought was more worthy of the role of Firelord, though this may have been a smokescreen for her own designs on the throne. By killing Azulon, Azula allowed her father, who shared similar ambitions, to claim Azulon wished him to be Firelord. Who would dare question him? Iroh was out to sea and too depressed by the loss of his son to really desire the throne. Ozai labeled him as weak and unfit to lead.

    Although I'm not completely convinced Azula killed Azulon, that makes a lot of sense.
    LyokianKnight wrote:
    My theory is as follows.

    Ozai asks for Azulon to deny Iroh his birthright.
    Azulon denies him and then says that line about knowning about the pain of losing your firstborn.
    Ozai tells Ursa about it and says that Azulon plans on killing Zuko.
    Ursa ambushes and kills him, under the guise of a black cloaked figure (similar to the Blue Spirit, sans the mask)
    Then Ursa leaves, not wanting to be incriminated and killed for her crime.

    It's crazy and has a few holes in it, but it's still my theory. As far as Ozai taking the throne, it was total bull, but Azulon was not alive to contest Ozai's false words.

    As far as I believe, I think Ursa killed Azulon because she believed he was going to kill Zuko.
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    neverbeenpinker

    [19]Jun 15, 2006
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    i don't know.... i suppose it's possible... i just don't think it's probable...

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