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    ClowWinx26

    [21]Oct 8, 2006
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    Water. Conversation done.
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    rockos414

    [22]Oct 8, 2006
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    Come on now...Airbending...YOU CAN FLY!!!! AND JUMP SUPER HIGH! game over man...i dont care how cool other elements are..they can't beat flying
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    etherfreeze

    [23]Oct 8, 2006
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    i say waterbending - even though you need to be around ... water. I like the versatility of ice and water, as well as the "vinebending" done in "the Swamp" episode. That guy took on Aang Katara and Sokka easily. Besides wouldn't a real master be able to bend the moisture in the air, clouds, or ground for a?? constant supply of water?
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    zachman9393

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    TheFungusyOne wrote:
    lol what they were saying was that you don't need to do breathing meditation for airbending ^^
    Personally, I love air the most, for many reasons which I shall not list down here or people won't bother reading my post... ^^
    HOWEVER the coolest bender - as in the person who uses their ability in the most awesomely cool way - is DEFINITELY Toph ^^
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    Exactly what I meant- Firebending is based on the breath, as Iroh and Jeong Jeong have said. Aang can Airbend even if he's underwater and can't breathe, and from what I can tell, Firebenders need to breathe in order to Firebend.
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    KilalaRose

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    zachman9393 wrote:
    TheFungusyOne wrote:
    lol what they were saying was that you don't need to do breathing meditation for airbending ^^
    Personally, I love air the most, for many reasons which I shall not list down here or people won't bother reading my post... ^^
    HOWEVER the coolest bender - as in the person who uses their ability in the most awesomely cool way - is DEFINITELY Toph ^^
    Cyaz
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    Exactly what I meant- Firebending is based on the breath, as Iroh and Jeong Jeong have said. Aang can Airbend even if he's underwater and can't breathe, and from what I can tell, Firebenders need to breathe in order to Firebend.
    actually, Zuko firebended when he was underwater in "The Seige of the North"
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    misterham

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    etherfreeze wrote:
    i say waterbending - even though you need to be around ... water. I like the versatility of ice and water, as well as the "vinebending" done in "the Swamp" episode. That guy took on Aang Katara and Sokka easily.

    no he didn't you silly. katara or aang could have killed him if they aimed their attacks (aang's air blade and katara's water blades) for his center instead of the arms/mask. and sokka doesn't count
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    etherfreeze

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    misterham wrote:
    etherfreeze wrote:
    i say waterbending - even though you need to be around ... water. I like the versatility of ice and water, as well as the "vinebending" done in "the Swamp" episode. That guy took on Aang Katara and Sokka easily.

    no he didn't you silly. katara or aang could have killed him if they aimed their attacks (aang's air blade and katara's water blades) for his center instead of the arms/mask. and sokka doesn't count


    haha ok fine sokka doesn't count but he still roughed them up quite a bit, and it's not like they were holding back since they thought it was some swamp creature not a human being. They basically got owned several times before getting off all the vines .
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    Falcondude123

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    EARTH I say! and since I didn't give a reason last time here is why-

    First of all with air you can have super speed and fly, plus it is almost everywhere.
    Then water which is awesome except that you have to be surrounded by it for a good fight, and that only works near lakes and rivers or when there's snow.
    Then you've got fire which is actually pretty useless unless you're fighting someone or cooking dinner.

    Finally there's the best one, earth. It's the best because you are around it almost as much as air, and you can build almost anything instantaneously(from Toph's privacy tent to Aang's brand new zoo). It's as good as super strength because you lift and manipulate loads dozens of times as big as you are. It's not surprising that the fire nation has the most trouble with the earth kingdom. I would even think that the earth kingdom should be beating the fire nation because firebending has virtually no defensive moves. GO EARTH!
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    zukone

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    Technically, the coolest element is water on account of the fact that it can convert to ice.

    If it were a real life ability, I would choose water for the healing ability and the potential to save someone's live. Plus, it would be easier to wash so many things that way. Lastly, if your drink is too warm in the summer, make it colder and etc.

    If I were choosing for what I like the most, its more a tie between earth and air. EARTH. For fighting it is more productive and protective.
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    rockos414

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    ..am i the only one who thinks flying is suuuper cool? go AIR BENDING!
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    angelstella

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    I will say water. If a waterbender could manipulate the fluid inside someone, they could completely control the person - in theory. Earthbending is cool too, you can't really escape from someone who can contol the ground beneath you, unless you're an airbender and can avoid being on the ground.
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    _Dark_Paladin

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    Fire... Dude they could really be the dominant element if they just complete fairly and not blow up everything they see... blowing up stuff isnt bad but it is funny...
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    Murraymuzz

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    I would say fire is the best, i mean you can control fire and lighting if you were a firebender, so that knocks out the waterbenders and earth is no match for fire. Even though earthbenders are quite powerful, the blue flames quite easlily take care of flying rocks. And so airbending is cool too but all i have to say is... why is the show called Avatar: The Last Airbender.....

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    Murraymuzz wrote:

    I would say fire is the best, i mean you can control fire and lighting if you were a firebender, so that knocks out the waterbenders and earth is no match for fire. Even though earthbenders are quite powerful, the blue flames quite easlily take care of flying rocks. And so airbending is cool too but all i have to say is... why is the show called Avatar: The Last Airbender.....



    Fire wouldn't have a huge effect on rocks being thrown.?? The worst it would do is scorch the rock.?? It would take force from the fire, not heat, to push back or redirect the rock being thrown.?? Even a meteorite takes miles to burn through the entire thing.?? Also, a good earthbender would be able to break the ground beneath a firebender to ruin stances.?? Katara and Zuko's fight showed that fire and water can effectively neutralize each other.
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    Murraymuzz

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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    Murraymuzz wrote:

    I would say fire is the best, i mean you can control fire and lighting if you were a firebender, so that knocks out the waterbenders and earth is no match for fire. Even though earthbenders are quite powerful, the blue flames quite easlily take care of flying rocks. And so airbending is cool too but all i have to say is... why is the show called Avatar: The Last Airbender.....



    Fire wouldn't have a huge effect on rocks being thrown.?? The worst it would do is scorch the rock.?? It would take force from the fire, not heat, to push back or redirect the rock being thrown.?? Even a meteorite takes miles to burn through the entire thing.?? Also, a good earthbender would be able to break the ground beneath a firebender to ruin stances.?? Katara and Zuko's fight showed that fire and water can effectively neutralize each other.


    When i wrote that i was making specific references to Azula, how she broke Aangs rock wall with blue fire??in the drill, and water conducts lightning so a firebender that can shoot lightning would have a waterbender beat. An earthbender could ruin stances, but how slow are they to actually preform their techniques, i mean you could see they??are about to do something so you would just move out of the way. Earthbenders??are slow when earthbending,??and firebenders??can shoot flames much faster than an earthbender could pick up a rock and throw it.
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    etherfreeze wrote:
    i say waterbending - even though you need to be around ... water. I like the versatility of ice and water, as well as the "vinebending" done in "the Swamp" episode. That guy took on Aang Katara and Sokka easily. Besides wouldn't a real master be able to bend the moisture in the air, clouds, or ground for a constant supply of water?



    i agree
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    Murraymuzz wrote:
    JonathonWolf wrote:
    Murraymuzz wrote:

    I would say fire is the best, i mean you can control fire and lighting if you were a firebender, so that knocks out the waterbenders and earth is no match for fire. Even though earthbenders are quite powerful, the blue flames quite easlily take care of flying rocks. And so airbending is cool too but all i have to say is... why is the show called Avatar: The Last Airbender.....



    Fire wouldn't have a huge effect on rocks being thrown. The worst it would do is scorch the rock. It would take force from the fire, not heat, to push back or redirect the rock being thrown. Even a meteorite takes miles to burn through the entire thing. Also, a good earthbender would be able to break the ground beneath a firebender to ruin stances. Katara and Zuko's fight showed that fire and water can effectively neutralize each other.


    When i wrote that i was making specific references to Azula, how she broke Aangs rock wall with blue fire in the drill, and water conducts lightning so a firebender that can shoot lightning would have a waterbender beat. An earthbender could ruin stances, but how slow are they to actually preform their techniques, i mean you could see they are about to do something so you would just move out of the way. Earthbenders are slow when earthbending, and firebenders can shoot flames much faster than an earthbender could pick up a rock and throw it.


    Azula didn't break the rocks with just her blue fire.?? The wall withstood the force from a few hand blasts.?? She had to use the force of a double foot drop kick to break apart the wall, but she didn't destroy any of the rocks.?? Also, the lightning attack takes time, about eight to ten seconds and is very obvious.?? Energy sparks off the hands while the user swings an arm in a wide arc while shifting their weight to that side, and then they swing the other arm in a wide arc while shifting their weight to the other side.?? It's not a technique one can do to an opponent unless they are dazed or immobile.?? Also, it's a technique very few are able to master.??

    Earthbenders are only slow when doing complex techniques, just like all the other benders.?? The Avatar State shows the soldiers able to bend medium level techniques with some quickness.?? The general even brought up a stone shield to block Aang's wind attack, and he made sand rise to stop Katara's water whip.?? Toph was able to perform a lot of fast and precise earthbending when she was introduced in The Blind Bandit.?? Even the training she provides in Bitter Work shows how much she can do with little movement.?? An earthbender need only to sink an opponent into the ground like the general did to Katara in Avatar state to break a stance.?? Or cause the earth to tremble.
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    Fire is the coolest. hmmm....
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    JonathonWolf wrote:
    Murraymuzz wrote:
    JonathonWolf wrote:
    Murraymuzz wrote:

    I would say fire is the best, i mean you can control fire and lighting if you were a firebender, so that knocks out the waterbenders and earth is no match for fire. Even though earthbenders are quite powerful, the blue flames quite easlily take care of flying rocks. And so airbending is cool too but all i have to say is... why is the show called Avatar: The Last Airbender.....



    Fire wouldn't have a huge effect on rocks being thrown. The worst it would do is scorch the rock. It would take force from the fire, not heat, to push back or redirect the rock being thrown. Even a meteorite takes miles to burn through the entire thing. Also, a good earthbender would be able to break the ground beneath a firebender to ruin stances. Katara and Zuko's fight showed that fire and water can effectively neutralize each other.


    When i wrote that i was making specific references to Azula, how she broke Aangs rock wall with blue fire in the drill, and water conducts lightning so a firebender that can shoot lightning would have a waterbender beat. An earthbender could ruin stances, but how slow are they to actually preform their techniques, i mean you could see they are about to do something so you would just move out of the way. Earthbenders are slow when earthbending, and firebenders can shoot flames much faster than an earthbender could pick up a rock and throw it.


    Azula didn't break the rocks with just her blue fire.?? The wall withstood the force from a few hand blasts.?? She had to use the force of a double foot drop kick to break apart the wall, but she didn't destroy any of the rocks.?? Also, the lightning attack takes time, about eight to ten seconds and is very obvious.?? Energy sparks off the hands while the user swings an arm in a wide arc while shifting their weight to that side, and then they swing the other arm in a wide arc while shifting their weight to the other side.?? It's not a technique one can do to an opponent unless they are dazed or immobile.?? Also, it's a technique very few are able to master.??

    Earthbenders are only slow when doing complex techniques, just like all the other benders.?? The Avatar State shows the soldiers able to bend medium level techniques with some quickness.?? The general even brought up a stone shield to block Aang's wind attack, and he made sand rise to stop Katara's water whip.?? Toph was able to perform a lot of fast and precise earthbending when she was introduced in The Blind Bandit.?? Even the training she provides in Bitter Work shows how much she can do with little movement.?? An earthbender need only to sink an opponent into the ground like the general did to Katara in Avatar state to break a stance.?? Or cause the earth to tremble.


    Azula broke the top portion of the rock wall with her blue flames. She had to use the double foot drop kick to completely remove the wall. However if she kept on using the hand attacks the rock wall would have been destroyed but the double foot drop kick was much quicker and it knocked Aang out for a moment to. The lightning is slow however firebenders are smart. We know they are smart because of the technological advancements they have made. A firebender with the ability of lighting can ambush waterbenders and neutrilize them very quickly. We also know that firebenders seem to be trained in martial arts more than anyone this is what makes them so quick and devasting to earthbenders. Such as in chapter 7 Zuko Alone, he proved he could best them with martial arts and a bit of firebending.

    Earthbenders are just slow when pulling a rock out from the earth and throwing it, they can easily be deflected or dodged. Azula doesnt have to waste time shooting out blue flame its quick and devasting as we saw it break the top portion of the rock wall in the drill. The only reason the General was able to sink Katara into the ground is because she was slow, she just stood there when she could have jumped out of the way. If the earthbenders could do that so easily then they should be winning the war. In Toph's case what makes her so precise is her training in feeling vibrations she can see things others cant, so she can react alot quicker than other earthbenders, but a firebender can learn to do what Aang did in the Blind Bandit, be light on your feet.

    While an earthqauke would break an opponets stance we can see Zuko jumping around shooting fire from his hands in mid-air in The Avatar State. A firebenders training makes them very strong and deadly, they learn their opponets advantages and??find ways to combat them. The reason it is so hard to defeat the earthkingdom is because they stand their ground as Toph tells Aang, they dont like giving an inch to the firebenders which makes them very formidable. So i think Firebending is the coolest because they are very powerful and smart and learn thier enemies advantages and try to take them away

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    JonathonWolf

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    But it was not fire that broke apart any part of the wall; it was force. An airbending or waterbender could have done the same thing. Firebending has not been shown to be any faster than any other style. Most of the firebending we've seen in fighting has been simple techniques. Simple punches and kicks. All the styles have the same progression of complexity. They all can do various simple things that can be used to devastating effect. The more complex or powerful moves require greater movement. Toph's senses provide her a slight advantage over actual sight. Anybody with her level of skill and ability can do the same thing.

    Yes, lifting a boulder from the ground does require more time since it requires more focus and energy. By comparison, simply pushing a rock requires stepping out into a wide stance and punching. This is almost the same set of motions a firebender uses to throw a small fireball. Katara didn't wasn't drawn into the ground because she was to slow. She was focused on all of the stone disks angled to attack her. Also, the general didn't use any fancy motion to do it. He had is hand to his side and made a large gripping action. As he lowered her deeper, he kept closing his hand a little more until he completed a fist to bury her. A small, simple action used to devastating results. Casting lightning is still a high level technique that takes time to perform. I would still not use it for assassination due to the amount of light it puts out, and you'd want a clear path. It would be just as easy to use a fire blast. An airbender would be able to do the same thing as we saw him possibly dismember a buzzard-wasp. An earthbender could smother with a simple move. A waterbender could drown someone. Channeling lightning is a technique that can only be used on an unsuspecting opponent. That makes it almost useless. A prepared waterbender could form a puddle at the firebenders feet and use that water to form a water shield. The lightning will hit the water shield and course right back into the firebender.

    The firebenders are no smarter than any other nation. They worked to create an advantage for themselves while the other nations maintained peaceful balance, and the Fire Nation's armies are larger in number. It was the ambitions of the Firelord, not the style itself, that brought about those new inventions. Within history, Western nations took and improved the inventions of eastern Asia. It is only within the last fifty years this has reversed to where the East Asian countries are improving upon the inventions of the Western nations. Does that mean that the Western nations were more intelligent for being the first to improve upon the inventions, or are the Eastern nations more intelligent for being able to turn the tables and do it better? The Fire Nation is winning because they have had more strategic victories. The use of the new technology is a surprise tactic and ruins standard tactics. But the Earth Kingdom has been holding them back for 100 years. The Fire Nation has not been winning simply be analyzing the styles of the other nations, but they use technological superiority and sheer number to overwhelm their opponents. It is hinted at more that the Fire Nation completely disregards the other nations based upon the lesson Iroh gave Zuko in Bitter Works and the speech that General Zhao gave to his men in The Blue Spirit.

    It's fine that you like fire the most. The problem is your reasons and the assumptions made. Ultimately, your reasons are about the people, not the style itself. As you said, Zuko was able to beat firebenders with just martial arts. Though, it was the martial arts for the twin broadswords; he was able to beat a series of firebenders with just martial arts. The earthbenders on the prison rig were able to beat the firebenders once they had something to bend. No one style has ever been shown to win over any other consistently.
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