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What would happen if the fire nation won....

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    lightningprince

    [1]Dec 13, 2006
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    Ok, in the hypothetical situation of a Fire Nation victory, what would happen. Thye dont seem to be all evil and terrible, just ambitious. Here's what I mean.

    Let's say the Earth Kingdom and Water Tribe fall completely under the Fire Nation's control. What then? First, all the soldiers and benders would probably be locked up. But that's not all that bad, it's more like disarming then killing.

    We've also seen Fire Nation controlled Earth Cities, and it seems pretty much business as usual for the normal people. Maybe higher taxes, but still life.

    The Earth and Water benders would continue to exist in this world
    because the Fire Nation would need them to build walls and such cheaply
    and quickly in the Earth Nation, and North/South Poles. At the same
    time, the other benders would learn of the technology the Fire Benders
    use, thus rendering thier advantage moot.

    In the anology Iroh gives, the Fire Nation's people are like Fire, so what happens to Fire when it runs out of fuel? It burns out. Eventually (and I beleive rather quickly) the Fire Nation would tear itself apart. Thus, the Fire Nation would cripple itself, and the Water Benders, and Earth Benders would be able to strike back, and fight against the Fire Nation.The Fire Nation would then be pushed back, and balance return to the world

    The only problem in this scenario would be Airbenders. However, in my belief there are untrained Airbenders that exist, those that do not know they can Airbend, and they could be trained by some airbender.

    Thoughts?
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    gilvatar

    [2]Dec 13, 2006
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    (smile, its what keep the crazy calm) ok I'm just gonna go over your head with a refrence from A Tale of Two Cities

    you some kind of Madame Defarge of something? that makes no sence.
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    Herbert0

    [3]Dec 13, 2006
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    I'm guessing the line between the four(well three now) countries dissolve.

    But since people rather be free then live in a half decent place with some freedom they'll make more resistance.
    Edited on 12/13/2006 4:20pm
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    ardron

    [4]Dec 13, 2006
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    Now that would be unexpected think about how people would react.

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    windseeker15

    [5]Dec 13, 2006
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    Basically its the benders of the other nations that would be in trouble.
    Remember what they did to the benders in Haru's village? Practically had them enslaved to avoid the risk of rebellion.
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    ardron

    [6]Dec 13, 2006
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    windseeker15 wrote:
    Basically its the benders of the other nations that would be in trouble. Remember what they did to the benders in Haru's village? Practically had them enslaved to avoid the risk of rebellion.

    Yeah. The FN are mean as my aunt Trudy.

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    lightningprince

    [7]Dec 13, 2006
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    For every Haru's City there is a City like the one in Jet. Was anything wrong there? We are basing the "they're evil" assumption on three things.

    One: Most fire nation military that we've seen are crazy. Rebuttal: Look at Iroh.

    Two: They killed the Airbenders. Rebuttal: That was when the war started, over a hundred years ago. And it was for a purpose. Not a good one, I know.

    Three: They're the bad guys and this is Nick. Rebuttal:None. Nicks a kiddy station.
    Edited on 12/13/2006 8:27pm
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    Miroku_of_Nite1

    [8]Dec 13, 2006
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    True, they are the bad guys, but they are not really as evil as they want us to think. Unless there is some concentration camps and death squads out killing everyone who isn't Fire Nation.
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    LordMordor

    [9]Dec 13, 2006
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    lets look again at Haru's villiage:
    all benders imprisioned, (including children, sick, and elderly)
    using villiage for coal to fuel ships (possible slave labor)
    high taxes making life extremely difficult for populace

    then we also have Jets villiage which we know was burned and people killed
    we know Song had her leg burned
    exploitation of the people living in Norhtern air temple
    the southern water tribe was pushed to extinction, and the same might of happened at the North Pole
    and above all else there is the complete and utter genocide of the airbending nation, granted it was 100 years ago but that kind of thing just can't be ignored just because of time.

    also look back at Zhao's speech to his men in the Blue Spirit, it is clear that the thoughts of racial superiority are still alive and well in the FN.

    the current fire nation military and leadership as a whole are most certainly evil and would likely continue the war crimes that they have been participating in for the last hundred years, Iroh and Jeong Jeong are the exceptions to the rule. The civilian poplulation of course is not really to blame, the creators have said that the FN is all about propaganda...i doubt the civilians know the whole truth about whats going on in the world
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    Miroku_of_Nite1

    [10]Dec 14, 2006
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    As far as they know it is the other way around.
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    lightningprince

    [11]Dec 14, 2006
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    LordMordor wrote:
    lets look again at Haru's villiage:
    all benders imprisioned, (including children, sick, and elderly)
    using villiage for coal to fuel ships (possible slave labor)
    high taxes making life extremely difficult for populace

    then we also have Jets villiage which we know was burned and people killed
    we know Song had her leg burned
    exploitation of the people living in Norhtern air temple
    the southern water tribe was pushed to extinction, and the same might of happened at the North Pole
    and above all else there is the complete and utter genocide of the airbending nation, granted it was 100 years ago but that kind of thing just can't be ignored just because of time.

    also look back at Zhao's speech to his men in the Blue Spirit, it is clear that the thoughts of racial superiority are still alive and well in the FN.

    the current fire nation military and leadership as a whole are most certainly evil and would likely continue the war crimes that they have been participating in for the last hundred years, Iroh and Jeong Jeong are the exceptions to the rule. The civilian poplulation of course is not really to blame, the creators have said that the FN is all about propaganda...i doubt the civilians know the whole truth about whats going on in the world


    I know the village was burned, but that could have happened during the battle. Bending battles tend to leave collateral damage. People killed...collateral damage. There has yet to be any solid proof of the Fire Nation targetting civilians (that i can remember).

    As for Zhao's speech...it was a rallying speech. Of course you're are going to say your better than the other guys. Watch the first fifteen minutes of the movie Patton. It's the same thing.

    Water tribes pushed towards extinction? Hardly. The seemed to be doing fine, if you ask me. Fine enough to send all thier warriors away to help in the war.

    Also, for the airbenders, I was giving it thought. No airbender (besides the children) could be called no-combatants. They all could fight and theoretically would fight the Fire Nation. Ample preemptive strike targets. Same with all benders. All can be called combatants. As for the children, they probably would seperate them until they were older, then put them to work. after that, no Airbenders. Same with all benders.

    Now I'm not saying the Fire Nation are good. I'm just questioning whether they are evil. Ambitious? Yes. Aggressive? Yes. But on the same account, so was Qin the Conqueror. And how do we all know there wasn't a tyrant from each country. The Fire Nation just seemed to have everything work for them.

    Just trying to get another perspective.
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    dumb_person1

    [12]Dec 14, 2006
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    Maybe they will kill all the people of the Earth Kingdom and the Water Tribes until they are the only nation in the world.
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    goldmustang

    [13]Dec 14, 2006
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    dumb_person1 wrote:
    Maybe they will kill all the people of the Earth Kingdom and the Water Tribes until they are the only nation in the world.

    thats is something to think about but i dont think that will happen
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    Miroku_of_Nite1

    [14]Dec 14, 2006
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    For all we know all the Air Nomads where pacifist and just sat down and took their death. For some reason I keep thinking of Thich Quang Duc, but as a Air Bender...and not being burned on his own terms...

    Or maybe they where tricked into thinking that the large group of Fire Benders at the gates where there just to extend the olive branch.
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