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What was even the point of Aang learning any firebending anyways?

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    hkulka2974

    [21]Jul 22, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    to clear things up: aang used firebending twice. the first time was to take down the airship, which wasn't necessary at all. the second time was to block one of ozai's fireblasts. the rest of the deflection was with earth, water, and air. learning firebending was basically useless for aang. he didn't need to learn it to get rid of his fear because he got rid of it when he cleared his chakra. and if that doesn't satisfy you, he wasn't afraid after learning from the dragons. tom's reason for aang learning firebending is the best: he didn't know he would barely use it. you do not need to learn firebending to learn how to redirect lightning. you only need to BE ABLE TO learn firebending, which is why other benders can't do it (this isn't actually a fact though. anyone can direct chi, but we're assuming non-firebenders can't because they were never bothered to be taught it).

    dont forget he did a firebending slice thing with his feet

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    suss2it

    [22]Jul 22, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    you do not need to learn firebending to learn how to redirect lightning. you only need to BE ABLE TO learn firebending, which is why other benders can't do it (this isn't actually a fact though. anyone can direct chi, but we're assuming non-firebenders can't because they were never bothered to be taught it).
    Are you implying that it's possible for others to re-direct lightning? Because it's not. In waterbending you have to re-direct chi, but that doesn't mean everyone else can waterbend. For re-direction of lightning you need to be able to the energy it takes to create it which is fire, not earth, air or water.
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    misterham

    [23]Jul 22, 2008
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    hkulka2974 wrote:

    dont forget he did a firebending slice thing with his feet
    that was the second time he used it

    suss2it wrote:
    misterham wrote:
    you do not need to learn firebending to learn how to redirect lightning. you only need to BE ABLE TO learn firebending, which is why other benders can't do it (this isn't actually a fact though. anyone can direct chi, but we're assuming non-firebenders can't because they were never bothered to be taught it).
    Are you implying that it's possible for others to re-direct lightning? Because it's not. In waterbending you have to re-direct chi, but that doesn't mean everyone else can waterbend. For re-direction of lightning you need to be able to the energy it takes to create it which is fire, not earth, air or water.

    read what i wrote in the parenthesis

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    hkulka2974

    [24]Jul 22, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    hkulka2974 wrote:

    dont forget he did a firebending slice thing with his feet
    that was the second time he used it

    suss2it wrote:
    misterham wrote:
    you do not need to learn firebending to learn how to redirect lightning. you only need to BE ABLE TO learn firebending, which is why other benders can't do it (this isn't actually a fact though. anyone can direct chi, but we're assuming non-firebenders can't because they were never bothered to be taught it).
    Are you implying that it's possible for others to re-direct lightning? Because it's not. In waterbending you have to re-direct chi, but that doesn't mean everyone else can waterbend. For re-direction of lightning you need to be able to the energy it takes to create it which is fire, not earth, air or water.

    read what i wrote in the parenthesis

    there was another time in into the inferno when aang looked like he used firebending to block ozai's whip

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    suss2it

    [25]Jul 22, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    hkulka2974 wrote:

    dont forget he did a firebending slice thing with his feet
    that was the second time he used it

    suss2it wrote:
    misterham wrote:
    you do not need to learn firebending to learn how to redirect lightning. you only need to BE ABLE TO learn firebending, which is why other benders can't do it (this isn't actually a fact though. anyone can direct chi, but we're assuming non-firebenders can't because they were never bothered to be taught it).
    Are you implying that it's possible for others to re-direct lightning? Because it's not. In waterbending you have to re-direct chi, but that doesn't mean everyone else can waterbend. For re-direction of lightning you need to be able to the energy it takes to create it which is fire, not earth, air or water.

    read what i wrote in the parenthesis
    You say it's not a fact that only firebenders can re-direct lightning, when it actually is a fact.
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    misterham

    [26]Jul 22, 2008
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    hkulka2974 wrote:
    there was another time in into the inferno when aang looked like he used firebending to block ozai's whip

    oh yeah i remember that now

    suss2it wrote:
    You say it's not a fact that only firebenders can re-direct lightning, when it actually is a fact.

    oops i read your post wrong. that makes sense if you're right about bending

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    Bandage2

    [27]Jul 22, 2008
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    There was also the time where ozai threw like a line of fire at aang and he separated it (after his "airbending slice" which was actually firebending). And it was unclear if he used firebending or airbending when ozai threw a bunch of fire at him and he was thrown into the cliff, I'm pretty sure he stopped the fire with firebending, but it coulda been air.

    No to mention (as I predicted way back during the beginning of season 2) Zuko was the first teacher who actually toughened up aang's fighting. What zuko did in 218 when he started chasing aang was make aang realize that if he doesn't actually fight, he'll die, and it was about goddamn time aang fought to win instead of fighting to disable, until ozai had aang on the run aang was actually fighting back. (firebending slice, waterfall, when he threw that massive plateau at ozai and missed)

    Added: for the discussion of lightning, it doesn't make sense that only firebenders could redirect lightning in one sense, cause all lightning is REALLY is A LOT of energy, and all benders have energy... on the other hand, since only firebenders can create lightning (expression of pure fire) it wouldn't make sense for another bender to redirect it because there would be no way for a water bender for example to control and expression of pure fire

    Edited on 07/22/2008 3:05pm
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    psychicgirl93

    [28]Jul 22, 2008
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    In order for Aang to have the full advantage over Ozai, its usful to fully understand your opponents way of fighting, and hiw they do it, in order to counter it. Firebending isn't only a skill; its an entire style of fighting. Obviously taking things from all four elements would make Aang a more well balanced fighter. If he was missing firebending, he wouldn't be alble to understand Ozai's attacks and counter them as well as he would if he had a better idea of firebending.

    Plus, I like how it was already mentioned that Aang didn't know the finale. Tha't a good point. Don't forget that Aang thought that he had more time, as well, when he started to learn firebending. Also, as afore mentioned, he had to fully get rid of that "fear" he had of fire in order to fight more affectively in general.

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    Eman5805

    [29]Jul 22, 2008
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    Yeah, that's real smart. Don't learn the ins and outs of the element of the man you're about to enter a life or death battle with. A man who is more powerful at that element than anyone else, getting an additional supercharge from the comet. Not to mention Aang never went into the fight planning on having the Avatar State anyway.
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    suss2it

    [30]Jul 22, 2008
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    Bandage2 wrote:
    for the discussion of lightning, it doesn't make sense that only firebenders could redirect lightning in one sense, cause all lightning is REALLY is A LOT of energy, and all benders have energy... on the other hand, since only firebenders can create lightning (expression of pure fire) it wouldn't make sense for another bender to redirect it because there would be no way for a water bender for example to control and expression of pure fire
    but only the firebenders focus on that particular energy. Fire is heated energy, but that doesn't mean anyone else can bend it, same thing applies for lightning and redirecting it. The bolded part illustrates my point.
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    Bandage2

    [31]Jul 22, 2008
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    sry for the typos on my part, AN expression not and

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    fergie1616

    [32]Jul 22, 2008
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    I thought he used it quite often considering he had just begun learning it. Plus he probably didn't want to add any more heat to the battle with Ozai already creating those massive infernos.
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    himtay

    [33]Jul 25, 2008
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    Teranef wrote:
    He didn't use any of it outside the Avatar State and IN the Avatar state he has mastery over elements he's never learned anyways. So what was the point? I was hoping to see him use all four elements in offense/defense against the Fire Lord, like he used 3 elements in The Drill.

    First of all, Aang did use all four elements outside the avatar state...

    Fire to destroy the airship and block Ozai's fire blasts.
    Water to catch himself when he fell into the lake.
    Earth to create his earth cacoon.
    And air to do almost everything else.

    Second, he didn't know he could enter the avatar state.

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    hkulka2974

    [34]Jul 25, 2008
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    himtay wrote:

    Teranef wrote:
    He didn't use any of it outside the Avatar State and IN the Avatar state he has mastery over elements he's never learned anyways. So what was the point? I was hoping to see him use all four elements in offense/defense against the Fire Lord, like he used 3 elements in The Drill.

    First of all, Aang did use all four elements outside the avatar state...

    Fire to destroy the airship and block Ozai's fire blasts.
    Water to catch himself when he fell into the lake.
    Earth to create his earth cacoon.
    And air to do almost everything else.

    Second, he didn't know he could enter the avatar state.

    thats pretty much the answer but people keep on arguing against it

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    captainarg

    [35]Jul 25, 2008
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    avatarrulez1234 wrote:
    Like I stated before, the fact that Season 3 was poorly done is the reason behind why Aang's firebending training wasn't executed properly.

    The hell you talking about? Season 3 was very well done. It wasn't as good as Season 2, but it was better then the first season. Aang had less training with firebending then the other elements, so he obviously didn't use it as much as the others. But he still used it quite a few times.

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    toosmooth

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    SlargTheGnome wrote:
    Didn't he use Firebending to bring down Ozai's warship?
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    libraman_92

    [37]Jul 25, 2008
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    here is the bottom line: Aang used all 4 elemetnts in his fight against Ozaii. Aang used Firebending to dodge Ozaii's attacks. And without Firebending, Aang would've died when Ozaii shot that big amount of lightning. Or probably before that. Ozaii wasn't as good at fighting Aang as everyone thought he would be because Aang knew the Firebending techniques and was able to sucessfully dodge that. now someone, please argue against THAT.
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