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    fairwater67

    [801]Apr 20, 2008
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    My sister sees it like this. The zutara hug is during the boiling rock. Zuko helps Sokka save Suki and Hakoda so Katara finally forgives, and trusts him, hence the hug. After that they become close FRIENDS, leading to the mother connection in the southern raiders.

    The kataang kiss is during the ember island players. They see the scene in the crystal catacombs where aang dies and that influences aang to tell katara what happened with the guru. Then he kisses her and she pulls back horrified, as she realizes she is the reason aang failed. Don't know what happens after that.

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    Spike815

    [802]Apr 20, 2008
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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    SplitReflection wrote:

    O.k. Lets do a break-down of the trailer kiss.

    First, Katara seems to kind of close her eyes and accept it. Then she gets a sudden shock and immediately pulls back. It might appear that the sudden shock is "OMG, this kid is 12." or "no, I love Zuko" or "I definitely don't feel that way about Aang." However, out of context we have no idea what the real reason was. I think we'll have to wait and see the episode ourselves.

    She does not close her eyes. They momentarily narrow. You could just as easily contribute it to annimation and coloring error. This isn't up for debate. The DoBS kiss was a debate, this is straw-clutching.

    kaybee_2 wrote:
    Sigh. I seriously doubt Sokka would have said what he said (and gotten the reaction that he did) if they were referring to Zuko. And seriously, ''a very powerful bender''? I really don't see that meaning Zuko. Saying Zuko could be considered ''a very powerful bender'' means that so could most of the protagonists in the show. Aang is the only one who stands out enough.

    You are missing the forest for the trees, like everyone else does. It's not about who is a very powerful bender, half the cast is that. The matter is that NO ONE HAS BEEN CALLED THAT. Spirit, mortal, animal, human, dead, alive, woman, man, old, young, evil, or good, no one and no thing has been referred to as "a very powerful bender" through out the whole series except for Katara's mystery future husband.

    Now, ask yourself, "Why don't the writers call anyone or anything that?" It's got to be one of the easiest fill-in-the-blank adjectives for so many characters. They'd have to go out of their way to not call someone that.


    He's straw clutching? It's a 3 second preview and your declaring victory. You don't know why Aang kissed Katara, why she pulled away, or why she hugged Zuko. Anything else is specualation.

    And I'm not sure why you keep bringing up the Fortuneteller thing. That's not proof for or against either ship...
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    kaybee_2

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    fairwater67 wrote:

    My sister sees it like this. The zutara hug is during the boiling rock. Zuko helps Sokka save Suki and Hakoda so Katara finally forgives, and trusts him, hence the hug. After that they become close FRIENDS, leading to the mother connection in the southern raiders.

    The kataang kiss is during the ember island players. They see the scene in the crystal catacombs where aang dies and that influences aang to tell katara what happened with the guru. Then he kisses her and she pulls back horrified, as she realizes she is the reason aang failed. Don't know what happens after that.


    That would seriously explain the expression on her face. This has to be the best unbiased possibility I've heard today.
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    DeeDuck33

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    SplitReflection wrote:

    O.k. Lets do a break-down of the trailer kiss.

    First, Katara seems to kind of close her eyes and accept it. Then she gets a sudden shock and immediately pulls back. It might appear that the sudden shock is "OMG, this kid is 12." or "no, I love Zuko" or "I definitely don't feel that way about Aang." However, out of context we have no idea what the real reason was. I think we'll have to wait and see the episode ourselves.

    She does not close her eyes. They momentarily narrow. You could just as easily contribute it to annimation and coloring error. This isn't up for debate. The DoBS kiss was a debate, this is straw-clutching.

    kaybee_2 wrote:
    Sigh. I seriously doubt Sokka would have said what he said (and gotten the reaction that he did) if they were referring to Zuko. And seriously, ''a very powerful bender''? I really don't see that meaning Zuko. Saying Zuko could be considered ''a very powerful bender'' means that so could most of the protagonists in the show. Aang is the only one who stands out enough.

    You are missing the forest for the trees, like everyone else does. It's not about who is a very powerful bender, half the cast is that. The matter is that NO ONE HAS BEEN CALLED THAT. Spirit, mortal, animal, human, dead, alive, woman, man, old, young, evil, or good, no one and no thing has been referred to as "a very powerful bender" through out the whole series except for Katara's mystery future husband.

    Now, ask yourself, "Why don't the writers call anyone or anything that?" It's got to be one of the easiest fill-in-the-blank adjectives for so many characters. They'd have to go out of their way to not call someone that.



    There is someone who is called that -- Aang. The argument about the word very is a little weak. Do you think Sokka would say the same exact words as Aunt Wu? He wasn't there when she said them, so there is no need for him to quote her. There is a reason why Sokka admired Aang's bending. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't to throw people off track -- that's a too wide of an assumption.
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    MasterBender

    [805]Apr 20, 2008
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    fairwater67 wrote:
    My sister made a great point. She said that the ember island players episode will be the one where Aang and Katara kiss. If you look closely, when they show an airel vision of the theature, there is a full moon. When Aang and Katara kiss there is a full moon. Sokka said the play features "singing nomads and the agng enters the heart of Ba Sing Se" so that means the play will feature season two. It probably shows Aang trying to open the chakras, and Katara learns that she was the reason he couldn't master the avatar state. They were probably talking when he kisses her and she backs away siince she doesn't want to be the reason he doesn't save the world.


    Your sister is a genius. But still, it's pure guesswork. We'll just have to wait.
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    merdok2005

    [806]Apr 20, 2008
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    Since I particularly don't want to be debating on the trailer until July, I'm going to just end my part in the debate now. Kataang and Zutara fans, alike, were ecstatic in rage, happiness, and like me, confusion. Since the trailer has been released last night I have been examining every part down to the multi-second, and I was right. The first thing that interested me was catching the fact that the Kataang kiss was at night, and the Zutara hug was at sunset, therefore it being Fan Advertisement. And can you really blame Mike and Bryan? More than half their fandom is Zutara, and if you were them wouldn't you want to keep over half the fandom interested? I know I would. Now for my rant- Zutaraians are taking this info with a great deal of excitement, like they should. Their ship finally has something to claim maybe canon, and with Katara pulling away from Aang's kiss they have even more proof. I just think that rabid Zutara shippers should look at the skies in both scenes. The Kataang kiss was at night, and the Zutara hug was at sunset. This means that the hug either happened before or after the kiss, but it clears the theory out, that Katara automatically runs to Zuko. If we had seen Katara running to Zuko, and it had been night when the hug happened, it would be different. There are several possibilities of the kiss too, which I will try to explain. One being that in the seven minute clip of The Ember Island Players that Zuko was sitting in between Katara and Aang. Aang might've been upset over the play, and he might've dreamed that Katara rejected him. I don't really like the dream theory though. It seems too common, and I just don't see It happening. But my second theory seems likely, to me at least. A person on Dongbu Feng chat told me I sounded crazy for stating this theory. I think Aang might've made a confession of a lifetime or maybe, just maybe, he mentioned the Avatar State. It's possible. He might've said something about it and just dived into kiss her. The scene looks like it takes place in Ember Island I think because later in the trailer Aang was meditating at what looks like the building from The Beach, at night, and also it looks like the ocean is near by, so this will most likely take place in The Ember Island Players. Aang also might have confessed. He might have said, "I love you, Katara", and she was just simply surprised. Who wouldn't be? Katara wasn't repulsed. She was surprised about something, or in shock, either one. And as you can see, she DID NOT back away with a repulsed look NOR did she run to Zuko in that scene. She simply had a look of shock and put her hand over her mouth. And then camera fades to Katara hugging Zuko...At sunset? Now here's my theory on the Katara hugging Zuko thing. Personally I don't think that Zuko will be involved with the gang and their fight against the firelord. Zuko said so in DOBS that it was Aang's destiny to defeat the firelord, not his. So why would he stick around and defeat him? Zuko has already done his part in ending the war. He taught the Avatar firebending, and I think the person Zuko will fight is Azula, but that's a different subject. Anyways, I think Katara hugged him for one reason and one reason only. Maybe it's because she was a jerk when she shouldn't have been. An apology for when she threatened to kill him if he laid a hand on Aang. When she uncaringly made fun of him for losing his firebending, and most of all, not trusting him. The hug might be Katara's way of saying, "I'm sorry, Zuko. If I could take everything back I would. Good luck!", and goes along with my theory all along of Katara and Zuko having a very close friendship. I have to admit though- I did think the fighting scene was cute. And it made me take a double take on the trailer. But this all leads to what I said in the beginning about using the advertisement. You do remember seeing The Crossroads of Destiny trailer, correct? Zutara fans all claimed Zutara would happen and it didn't. But the season two finale had the most viewers of all at 4.4 million. That's exactly what the creators want. They want a lot of viewers, and giving Zutaraians a scene is the exact way to do it. Kudos' to you, Mike and Bryan.

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    SgtHydra

    [807]Apr 20, 2008
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    Zutaraians! To our new canon caterputs! Break down their kataang text walls!

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    SplitReflection

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    Don't worry, their canon catapults are flimsy and weak. Our text walls will not fall!
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    kaybee_2

    [809]Apr 20, 2008
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    HOW IS IT CANON?! They hugged. That's all. That's like saying Taang is canon. It's not actually canon until something happens that is directly related to a more-than-friendly relationship. Until then, it's fanon.
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    ruboy003

    [810]Apr 20, 2008
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    also at the end mai will said to zuko that she's pregy(they make out on ember islands) and zuko is the nxt firelord

    and they will hav a terrifying son and then a new story of avatar will come out.....

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    SgtHydra

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    The archers, you idiots! Attack the archers!

    Attack!

    *link assault*

    link

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    merdok2005

    [812]Apr 20, 2008
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    YEAH, ZUTARA IS LIEK SO CANON BECAUSE UHH THEY HUGGED ONCE. IT TOTALLY BEAT OUT KATAANG AND CRAP. I FEEL LIKE CONTRADICTING MYSELF SO OUR HUG WINS, AND THEIR 6 HUGS AND THREE KISSES DON'T. MWHAHAHA.
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    waterbender6025

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    kataang will still win, its just like the CoD trailer and we all know how that turned out. and just because zuko and katara hug that doesnt mean that that zutara will happen, be sensible.
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    SgtHydra

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    merdok2005 wrote:
    YEAH, ZUTARA IS LIEK SO CANON BECAUSE UHH THEY HUGGED ONCE. IT TOTALLY BEAT OUT KATAANG AND CRAP. I FEEL LIKE CONTRADICTING MYSELF SO OUR HUG WINS, AND THEIR 6 HUGS AND THREE KISSES DON'T. MWHAHAHA.

    I've kissed and hugged my mom and my sister. By yout logic, I guess I must be romantically involved with them!

    Aang has an Oedipus Complex. Katara is basically his mom. That's why Katara is backing off all slow and disgusted like.

    And that hug was a true romantic, comforting hug, not some hug that is Katara's way of showing she forgives Zuko.

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    ruboy003

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    if kataang wins everybody's happy
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    kaybee_2

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    SgtHydra wrote:

    merdok2005 wrote:
    YEAH, ZUTARA IS LIEK SO CANON BECAUSE UHH THEY HUGGED ONCE. IT TOTALLY BEAT OUT KATAANG AND CRAP. I FEEL LIKE CONTRADICTING MYSELF SO OUR HUG WINS, AND THEIR 6 HUGS AND THREE KISSES DON'T. MWHAHAHA.

    I've kissed and hugged my mom and my sister. By yout logic, I guess I must be romantically involved with them!

    Aang has an Oedipus Complex. Katara is basically his mom. That's why Katara is backing off all slow and disgusted like.

    And that hug was a true romantic, comforting hug, not some hug that is Katara's way of showing she forgives Zuko.



    How can you possibly prove that the Katara/Zuko hug is any more romantic than any of the Katara/Aang hugs? You saw just a tiny bit of it, and you're jumping to conclusions.

    And as for the Katara is Aang's mom thing, I'm not even going to respond to that one. I'm too lazy to dig up my old post that had over ten evidences that proved Katara and Aang have a relationship that goes way past friendship.
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    kaybee_2

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    And she didn't back off all "slow and disgusted like", either. She backed away in surprise. That was all it is. We don't know what emotions were there, but right now all we know for sure is that she was surprised. To me, it looked more like she wanted to say, "Wait a second. We need to talk about this before anything else happens."
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    SgtHydra

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    kaybee_2 wrote:
    SgtHydra wrote:

    merdok2005 wrote:
    YEAH, ZUTARA IS LIEK SO CANON BECAUSE UHH THEY HUGGED ONCE. IT TOTALLY BEAT OUT KATAANG AND CRAP. I FEEL LIKE CONTRADICTING MYSELF SO OUR HUG WINS, AND THEIR 6 HUGS AND THREE KISSES DON'T. MWHAHAHA.

    I've kissed and hugged my mom and my sister. By yout logic, I guess I must be romantically involved with them!

    Aang has an Oedipus Complex. Katara is basically his mom. That's why Katara is backing off all slow and disgusted like.

    And that hug was a true romantic, comforting hug, not some hug that is Katara's way of showing she forgives Zuko.

    How can you possibly prove that the Katara/Zuko hug is any more romantic than any of the Katara/Aang hugs? You saw just a tiny bit of it, and you're jumping to conclusions. And as for the Katara is Aang's mom thing, I'm not even going to respond to that one. I'm too lazy to dig up my old post that had over ten evidences that proved Katara and Aang have a relationship that goes way past friendship.

    I agree with you. It's past friendship.

    But it's still a mother-child relationship.

    As for the hug, link.

    Katara looks like she's been crying. Zuko looks like he is comforting her.

    If that's not a positive relationship (perhaps calling it romantic out of context may have been a streatch), I don't know what one is. And one could safely assume that they've moved beyond being friends.

    Zutara is like Obama, Kataang is like Hillary Clinton.

    Zutara is for change.

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    kaybee_2

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    SgtHydra wrote:
    kaybee_2 wrote:
    SgtHydra wrote:

    merdok2005 wrote:
    YEAH, ZUTARA IS LIEK SO CANON BECAUSE UHH THEY HUGGED ONCE. IT TOTALLY BEAT OUT KATAANG AND CRAP. I FEEL LIKE CONTRADICTING MYSELF SO OUR HUG WINS, AND THEIR 6 HUGS AND THREE KISSES DON'T. MWHAHAHA.

    I've kissed and hugged my mom and my sister. By yout logic, I guess I must be romantically involved with them!

    Aang has an Oedipus Complex. Katara is basically his mom. That's why Katara is backing off all slow and disgusted like.

    And that hug was a true romantic, comforting hug, not some hug that is Katara's way of showing she forgives Zuko.

    How can you possibly prove that the Katara/Zuko hug is any more romantic than any of the Katara/Aang hugs? You saw just a tiny bit of it, and you're jumping to conclusions. And as for the Katara is Aang's mom thing, I'm not even going to respond to that one. I'm too lazy to dig up my old post that had over ten evidences that proved Katara and Aang have a relationship that goes way past friendship.

    I agree with you. It's past friendship.

    But it's still a mother-child relationship.

    As for the hug, link.

    Katara looks like she's been crying. Zuko looks like he is comforting her.

    If that's not a positive relationship (perhaps calling it romantic out of context may have been a streatch), I don't know what one is. And one could safely assume that they've moved beyond being friends.

    Zutara is like Obama, Kataang is like Hillary Clinton.

    Zutara is for change.



    Oh, and since he's comforting her, they're obviously in love, right? Oh, but the several times in which Katara and Aang have comforted each other were just mother-and-child comfort. It makes so much sense now!

    Oh, and just to let you know, I thought of Zutara more as John McCain. It's been around since the show began, and it's obviously not focused on facts -- just what the people want.
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    horacus

    [820]Apr 20, 2008
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    ruboy003 wrote:
    if kataang wins everybody's happy

    Agreed.

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