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Spirit World Chapter 7 Book 1

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    KilalaRose

    [21]Nov 13, 2006
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    b3n10 wrote:
    You know what might be cool. If they had an episode that showed Iroh's jorney to the sprit world

    Leodegarioiii wrote:
    that would be awesome. Maybe a flashback.
    a really long flashback. i bet there's going to be a lot of things that need to be elaborated on
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    masterofaeons

    [22]Nov 13, 2006
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    It's the most annoying thing in the entire series (the second being the ToBSS scene with the Air-Scooter Earthbending).

    Couldn't they have had the line be "Wow, some kind of light!" "I see it too Katara!" "Let's go check it out."
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    MCMLXVI

    [23]Nov 14, 2006
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    masterofaeons wrote:
    It's the most annoying thing in the entire series (the second being the ToBSS scene with the Air-Scooter Earthbending).
    Are you still crying about that?!Someone needs a paradigm-shift!
    masterofaeons wrote:
    Couldn't they have had the line be "Wow, some kind of light!" "I see it too Katara!" "Let's go check it out."
    She said something like "Look! That???s got to be Aang!". She took an educated guess and it paid off well.
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    Eman5805

    [24]Nov 14, 2006
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    masterofaeons wrote:
    It's the most annoying thing in the entire series (the second being the ToBSS scene with the Air-Scooter Earthbending). Couldn't they have had the line be "Wow, some kind of light!" "I see it too Katara!" "Let's go check it out."

    What's so wrong with Air-Scooter Earthbending?

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    MCMLXVI

    [25]Nov 14, 2006
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    masterofaeons wrote:
    It's the most annoying thing in the entire series (the second being the ToBSS scene with the Air-Scooter Earthbending). Couldn't they have had the line be "Wow, some kind of light!" "I see it too Katara!" "Let's go check it out."
    Eman5805 wrote:
    What's so wrong with Air-Scooter Earthbending?
    I think his objection is this:
    masterofaeons wrote:
    Earthbending = Solid, rooted stances and forceful movements.
    MCMLXVI wrote:
    Ever since Bumi sent a boulder up the delivery system with his chin-up bending, I've doubted the omneity of that postulate. He was solidly rooted in a metal coffin (and air is everywhere), and Aang was solidly [seated] on his air scooter(close to the ground mind you), so that's why I imagined that "lighter" earthbending is possible without the need to have both feet firmly on the earth.
    So it'd depend on what masterofaeons thought of what Bumi did.
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    tico1125

    [26]Nov 14, 2006
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    I have read through all of the posts and we seem to have an interesting topic to discuss. The whole spirit world in Avatar seems to be a confusing subject.?? So let's bring in several of the spirit world scenes that we have had already and try to piece this puzzle together.

    Ok we have a good understanding that people who have been to the spirit world can see the spirits in the physical world.?? Now that does not explain too well about Katara's knowledge of the spirit world.?? Take for instance in the SoTN first part Katara seemed to know a lot about Aang's methods to get to the spirit world as she explained it to Yue.?? (The part I mean is the whole thing about not moving his body or disturbing him.)?? How did she know about that??? Then she saw his light force and assumed it was him.?? Backing up though, to episode 8 with Avatar Roku.?? Aang was only able to contact him during the soltice but when he was in spirit form and in the physical world in episode 7 Roku was able to send his dragon to him.?? Why couldn't he come too??? Then back to episode 8 Aang contacts him during the solstice and then Roku helps him in the physical world by destroying the temple.?? I guess that happened because they were able to merge but only during the solstice because Aang went back to normal once the solstice ended.?? Now we get to the whacky part in SoTN part 2.?? In that episode Aang is in the true spirit world and not the physical world.?? Instead of Roku standing before him he communicates with him through his reflection in the water.?? Where as the other spirits were all around him.

    From all of the above I am able to conclude that Episode 7 should have been called "Spirit Form"?? not "Spirit World" because Aang never went to the spirit world.?? He only stayed in the physical.?? He was seen by Iroh because Iroh has somehow gone to the spirit world.?? Roku sent his dragon but could not come with it.?? Don't ask why.

    Episode 8 Aang communicates with Roku in the spirit world due to the solstice.?? Then Roku warns him of the danger and helps him escape.??

    Epsiode 19 Katara explains to Yue that Aang cannot be moved while he is in the spirit world otherwise he will not be able to return.?? So Katara suddenly has great knowledge of the spirit world and the inner workings.

    Episode 20 Aang goes to the spirit world (Which looks different from when he visited Roku.) and he talks to the bug.?? While there he sees a faceless monkey, another monkey that is meditating and then the panda.?? But he only communicates with Roku through his reflection in the water.?? Oh yeah lets not forget about Aang merging with the water spirit fish somehow.

    Well the show is truly a mystical one and I don't mind that they don't explain some things because it leaves room the imagination.?? Take for instance that I have deduced from all my writing that there must be two separate spirit worlds.?? One for humanity and the other for the animals.?? So Roku could not cross over to the animal spirit world nor to the physical.?? However the animals could cross over to the Physical world as demonstrated in episode 7.

    Sorry about the long post but does anyone have any thoughts?

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    MCMLXVI

    [27]Nov 14, 2006
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    tico1125 wrote:
    ... we have a good understanding that people who have been to the spirit world can see the spirits in the physical world. Now that does not explain too well about Katara's knowledge of the spirit world. Take for instance in the SoTN first part Katara seemed to know a lot about Aang's methods to get to the spirit world as she explained it to Yue. (The part I mean is the whole thing about not moving his body or disturbing him.) How did she know about that?
    I stand by my "educated guess" theory. She was wrong that time (about not moving the body).
    tico1125 wrote:
    From all of the above I am able to conclude that Episode 7 should have been called "Spirit Form" not "Spirit World" because Aang never went to the spirit world. He only stayed in the physical. He was seen by Iroh because Iroh has somehow gone to the spirit world. Roku sent his dragon but could not come with it. Don't ask why.
    I have a theory that Roku's spirit was tied to his temple {only Roku's spirit-- not his dragon's spirit}, so the spirit couldn't have left until Roku destroyed his temple.
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    tico1125

    [28]Nov 14, 2006
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    That's a great possibility.?? In fact it would explain his reflection in the water but then again at that point the temple was destroyed.
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    masterofaeons

    [29]Nov 14, 2006
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    Wow, MCMLXVI. Way to keep up with your Aeons 101. Yeah, I believe that all Earthbending requires contact with the ground (unless you have taken the appropriate Feats and have a Wisdom score of 16+). Katara isn't spirit-sensitive like Iroh is, I completely believe the creators just didn't know how to connect the A plotpoint with the B conclusion, so they said "Aang comes back to his body and Katara sees it, so she follows it."

    At least it wasn't a Star Wars, device:
    Leia: "I sense Luke. He's at these coordinates. Go there, you'll find him hanging from the 7th porthole on the right."
    Han: "That's metagaming."

    Wow, I'm a loser.
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    Falcondude123

    [30]Nov 14, 2006
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    tico1125 wrote:
    I was just watching the episode and noticed something that brought a good question to mind.?? While Aang is in the spirit world riding the dragon, Iroh notices him as he flies overhead.?? I wonder how he could do that when no one else could see him.?? Any thoughts or was there some other explanation explored in another episode?


    This probably should have gone to the "ask a question, get an answer" thread.
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    towelie892

    [31]Nov 14, 2006
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    You're all forgetting the part in Book 2: Chapter 1 'The Avatar State'. Roku came WITH his dragon and picked up Aang on his dragon to explain to him how the avatar state works. So, why was Roku unable to come with his dragon in Book 1: Chapter 7 'Winter Solstice, Part 1'? I can't answer that, nor can I tell you why Iroh, Katara, Sokka and Yue were all able to see him when he was returning to his body in Book 1: Chapters 19 & 20 'The Seige of the North'. I know I just created more questions and gave no answers, but I was just wondering about this. All I can say is that it seems to be a continuity error on the producers' part.
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    maddcow29

    [32]Dec 16, 2006
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    i don't understand why there is such controversy about the siege of the north episode.?? if aang wan't moved his spirit (the glowy thing) would have come back no problem.?? since it was moved his glowy spirit had to find him.?? when katara sees the glowy thing it must something to do with the avatar.?? every weird thing since meeting him has had to do with him.?? Avatar state is just a melding of the avatar spirit and his current physical form, that's why he glows.

    I think that there is going to be a whole book (season) dedicated to all the avatar /spirit questions after books on fire and air.?? there is a whole set of powers that are untapped and unexplained because aang is shakey at best with the avatar state.?? we've seen uncontrolled avatar state. we've seen some cool tihngs in the episode "the swamp" and some cooler stuff in "the guru".?? there must be so much more!

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