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Season 3: The filler season?

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    pc_fan03

    [21]Jul 23, 2008
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    Mapletree46 wrote:

    A filler is an episode that does not contribute to overall plot and is normally used for comic relief, character devolopment or to review what happened thus far in the shows plot.

    So I ask you this question, How many of the episodes in season 3 were fillers?

    There were many episodes that provided much character development, but never really affected the plot in a major way.

    I'd say character developement does actually contribute to the plot.
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    hkulka2974

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    pc_fan03 wrote:
    Mapletree46 wrote:

    A filler is an episode that does not contribute to overall plot and is normally used for comic relief, character devolopment or to review what happened thus far in the shows plot.

    So I ask you this question, How many of the episodes in season 3 were fillers?

    There were many episodes that provided much character development, but never really affected the plot in a major way.

    I'd say character developement does actually contribute to the plot.

    ^agreed

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    dratava

    [23]Jul 23, 2008
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    agreed aswell.
    i absolutely love fillers. ^^
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    1337Bloodbender

    [24]Jul 23, 2008
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    pc_fan03 wrote:
    Mapletree46 wrote:

    A filler is an episode that does not contribute to overall plot and is normally used for comic relief, character devolopment or to review what happened thus far in the shows plot.

    So I ask you this question, How many of the episodes in season 3 were fillers?

    There were many episodes that provided much character development, but never really affected the plot in a major way.

    I'd say character developement does actually contribute to the plot.

    So I am guessing you thought no episodes were fillers then? Deciding what is and what isn't character development is debatable,

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    MarryLarry

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    1337Bloodbender wrote:
    paoros16 wrote:

    The filler in my opinion are The Headband, The Painted Lady, The Beach, The Ember Island Players, and The Runaway except for Combustion Man

    You missed the biggest filler of them all, "Nightmares and Daydreams." Although I like the fan-service in that episode, nothing important happened. I was hyped up for something action-packed before DOBS, but I was a little disappointed. It was a rather funny/weird episode though, and I mean it in a good way.

    I'd agree completely but the war meeting took place in that episode, which was kind of important to the finale and also Zuko's final straw before turning good.

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    1337Bloodbender

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    MarryLarry wrote:
    1337Bloodbender wrote:
    paoros16 wrote:

    The filler in my opinion are The Headband, The Painted Lady, The Beach, The Ember Island Players, and The Runaway except for Combustion Man

    You missed the biggest filler of them all, "Nightmares and Daydreams." Although I like the fan-service in that episode, nothing important happened. I was hyped up for something action-packed before DOBS, but I was a little disappointed. It was a rather funny/weird episode though, and I mean it in a good way.

    I'd agree completely but the war meeting took place in that episode, which was kind of important to the finale and also Zuko's final straw before turning good.

    DOH!!! How did I forget that?
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    AvatarSensation

    [27]Jul 23, 2008
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    I have a theory that none of the episodes are fillers, starting from book one.

    Think about it, even though the episode is technically considered "filler," every single one of them is referenced in some form in another episode, or has a tiny bit of new information.

    For example (one example from every season):
    111- The Great Divide: The first episode ever in the series to mention Ba Sing Se, AND it was referenced in The Ember Island Players.

    205- Avatar Day: Told us more about Kyoshi, and over all was referenced the in the finale.

    309- Nightmares and Daydreams: This episode actually had a lot of foreshadowing, and it referenced the war meeting, which was over all important in the finale.

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    sullentoe

    [28]Jul 23, 2008
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    I dont understand why people are calling certain episodes fillers.

    Avatar is not based on a comic, it was a planned tv show, every episode was planned to have certain dialogue info, action. etc...

    Something like naruto, taken from the comic, sometimes catches up to the comic and has no story to tell. And they cant just stop working, so they create bs stories. And because these are bs stories, they spend less money till there is enought story in the manga for them to up the quality again. So the quality of drawings and animation fades, and the characters become different people, doing and saying things the mangaka never intended. Sometimes, the animation studio dont want to catch up to the manga to quickly because they fear enter ing another era of fillers, so they make goku hold his spirit bomb for 10 episodes. And this is in some way filler i guess.

    So basically, the animation is juggleing around the manga ka, so if they catch up too quickly, we know were gonna see a lotta fillers and fillers usually suck. Thus a filler is bad, although if they did a good job on the fillers maybe we wouldnt consider it a negitive thing.

    Avatar dose not juggle around a manga ka. It is a planned tv show intended to have 3 seasons. And it takes a while to write and animate each episode opposed to anime which is supposed to knock one episode out every week. So how can there be a filler. Its taking anime jargon based on how japanese animation works, and applieing it to avatar which did things differently.

    Also, the story dosnt always have to advance forward. I mean your watching this to be entertained. This isnt a job or somthing. Wheather the story is moving forward or some comic releif is provivded, eather way your being entertained. Every epiode of spong bob would be filler then. I personally loved ember island players. And it was kinda sad cuz i expected them to have one final adventure before sozin, but instead you had a play, and i kinda felt like the characters were bowing or saying good bye before the end, instead of your usual, lets save dad and suki or find the guy who killed my mother. Plus i would say ember island players highlighted all the unresovled problems before the problems were confronted in sozin.

    Anyway i think there are no fillers in avatar and perhaps its the wrong place to use the word.

    Edited on 07/23/2008 8:27pm
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    suss2it

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    Wow he basically ended this topic.
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    suss2it wrote:
    Wow he basically ended this topic.

    I don't think anyone wanted to read that much at once.
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    KoalaSheep

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    Summary: It's not based on a manga. It had a set story from the start, a set length from the start, so fillers are nonexistent here.
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    suss2it

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    Mapletree46 wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    Wow he basically ended this topic.

    I don't think anyone wanted to read that much at once.
    Ah yes the tl;dr virus.
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    fire_wheels

    [33]Jul 23, 2008
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    sullen's right, every episode was relevant, of course some were more relevant than others, but everything was thought out and planned from the beginning. and character development not being important to the plot...hmm .

    filler is more like powering up for five episodes in DBZ.

    oh, I read more of his post, he basically already said that, darn.

    Edited on 07/23/2008 9:07pm
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    paoros16

    [34]Jul 24, 2008
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    1337Bloodbender wrote:
    paoros16 wrote:

    The filler in my opinion are The Headband, The Painted Lady, The Beach, The Ember Island Players, and The Runaway except for Combustion Man

    You missed the biggest filler of them all, "Nightmares and Daydreams." Although I like the fan-service in that episode, nothing important happened. I was hyped up for something action-packed before DOBS, but I was a little disappointed. It was a rather funny/weird episode though, and I mean it in a good way.

    It was a filler but I thought it was nice to see Aang be a little scared before facing the firelord but I dont think they needed to do a whole episode about it either so its kind of on the edge for me

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    paoros16 wrote:
    1337Bloodbender wrote:
    paoros16 wrote:

    The filler in my opinion are The Headband, The Painted Lady, The Beach, The Ember Island Players, and The Runaway except for Combustion Man

    You missed the biggest filler of them all, "Nightmares and Daydreams." Although I like the fan-service in that episode, nothing important happened. I was hyped up for something action-packed before DOBS, but I was a little disappointed. It was a rather funny/weird episode though, and I mean it in a good way.

    It was a filler but I thought it was nice to see Aang be a little scared before facing the firelord but I dont think they needed to do a whole episode about it either so its kind of on the edge for me

    remember that aang already let go of his fear of facing ozai in the Guru but i guess htat he got it back

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    ItachiHatakeZ

    [36]Jul 24, 2008
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    Well...In my eyes filler episodes are episodes that either

    A: Don't advance the plot MUCH

    B:Could the season make sense without the episode

    The Painted Lady

    The Beach

    The Avatar and The Firelord (flashback episode mostly)

    The Runaway (to some extent)

    The Ember Island Players (although it did give us lolz)

    And a large chunk of The Phoenix King.

    Of course that's just my opinion.

    But they were still all excellent episodes, filler or not.

    Edited on 07/24/2008 12:07pm
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    ItachiHatakeZ wrote:

    Well...In my eyes filler episodes are episodes that either

    Aon't advance the plot MUCH

    B:Could the season make sense without the episode

    The Painted Lady

    The Beach

    The Avatar and The Firelord (flashback episode mostly)

    The Runaway (to some extent)

    The Ember Island Players (although it did give us lolz)

    And a large chunk of The Phoenix King.

    Of course that's just my opinion.

    But they were still all excellent episodes, filler or not.

    no, the beggining of the Phoenix King was about aang dealing with the problem of how not to kill the firelord and save the world, in it we see a bit of character development. aang had to solve the problem in a way fit for his character

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    ItachiHatakeZ

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    True, thanks for pointing that out.

    I'm new here by the way, but I'm a long time member at a Naruto forum, so I'm not a total noob.

    (People are much nicer over here btw.)

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    hkulka2974

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    ItachiHatakeZ wrote:

    True, thanks for pointing that out.

    I'm new here by the way, but I'm a long time member at a Naruto forum, so I'm not a total noob.

    (People are much nicer over here btw.)

    thanks for the compliment

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    BwayJ

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    I think The Beach does serve a couple of purpose aside from the obvious one (the fact that it is practically Combustion Man's intro episode). It introduces Ember Island and Ozai's old summer house, which is important since they constitute the Gaang's hiding place late in the book. Another important note is that it introduces us to the fact that Azula thinks her mother thinks she is a monster. This is a very important detail that sets up her breakdown in the finale and helps explain her character a little more. So even though much of the episode is technically filler, those details help make it useful for the overall story.
    Edited on 07/25/2008 5:04am
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