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    BiSheng

    [1]Sep 23, 2006
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    How likely is it that the Earthbender secret police (whatever they're called) could successfully control a population of that size through hypnosis??? I've heard that Hypnosis is very difficult to do if someone is actively resisting you.

    I know this is a Television show in a Fantasy world that throws Physics out the window, but I was just wondering.
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    WarhawK-harris

    [2]Sep 23, 2006
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    Jimmy Neutron pointed out in O:RJF that weak minds are always susceptible to cheap theatrics.?? Hypnosis is just a way of implanting??a strong message into a subjects subconscious.?? This message can can be so strong that it ends up governing the persons actions after the procedure is complete.?? There are many??types of hypnosis from the technique used by hypno-therapists to subliminal advertising which is now illegal in most democratic countries.?? The Gestapo-like police force in Ba Sing Se appear to have great knowledge about the human psyche and they're able to use it to great effect on Jet and the soul-less tour guides.

    Oh, and the police force in Ba Sing Se is called the Dy Lee.

    Edited on 09/23/2006 7:42pm
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    IdeaBender

    [3]Sep 23, 2006
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    BiSheng wrote:
    How likely is it that the Earthbender secret police (whatever they're called) could successfully control a population of that size through hypnosis??? I've heard that Hypnosis is very difficult to do if someone is actively resisting you.

    I know this is a Television show in a Fantasy world that throws Physics out the window, but I was just wondering.


    Just the threat of behaviour modification would prevent most people from acting out so they would actually have to perform it that many people (eg. Pong, the minor government official, knew he was saying too much). This is the effect of "making examples" of people.
    In real life though hypnosis isn't very effective once the hypnotist is gone.
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    neverbeenpinker

    [4]Sep 23, 2006
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    maybe they didn't. maybe over half the population is perfectly happy to believe there is no war. some people would be, after seeing some of the stuff they've seen. and then almost everyone else goes along with it for various reasons, such as fear of conflict (that university student) or they are being threatened (that one other government-official-dude they talked to). and whoever's left might be the people who actually feel like saying anything about it, they're the ones who get hypnotized.
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    [5]Sep 23, 2006
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    Let's assume no magic was involved. Hypnosis and brainwashing are both possible in the real world without magic, but they are two very different things.

    Hypnosis: No one can be hypnotized against their will. People with a strong will are more easily hypnotized, not people with a weak will, which??I would assume links to how you can only be hypnotized willingly. It's normally used to help people break bad habits, remember things forgotten relating to crimes (but not to coerce confessions), or for entertainment.

    Brainwashing: Not controlling will, but changing will. Breaking a person's spirit. Personality makeover. In the real world, I've heard it takes a minimum of 72 hours, but it usually takes less than 72 seconds in anime. It requires 4 steps:
    - Traumatic Shock (i.e. rape, kidnapping, killing a loved one; in Jet's case, maybe it would be being abandoned by his followers,??his near-death experience of nearly getting his head sliced off, and being carted away to prison)
    - Isolation (in this case, being locked up alone in near darkness and completely restrained counts)
    - Indoctrination ("There is no war" ... "You are safe")
    - Promise of Reward (Believe it, or die ... or never escape ... or never find salvation/power/safety, etc.; succumbing to brainwashing is partly a defense mechanism- reality becomes too stressful too deal with, so you cling to a safer??belief, like your captor is your friend even??if they're threatening to kill you, or your cult holds the true path no matter what crimes they commit. Your subconscious instinct tells you to believe to survive.)

    What happened to Jet was clearly against his will, so it was brainwashing, not hypnosis (unless it was magic). C.S. Lewis says something about a character in a scene from The Silver Chair who's being a cross between magically hypnotized and brainwashed that??I think applies in any case: "The fact that she could still feel it proved it had not yet fully worked." As long as a character knows someone's messing with their head and consciously tries to resist, they're still in control. The truly enchanted don't believe they're under a spell; the throughly brainwashed don't believe they've been brainwashed.

    I imagine as the Dai Li were forcing their lies about no war and the perfection and safety of Ba Sing Se at Jet, what would cause him to break would be??the human survival mechanism. Wouldn't it be wonderful if it was true, if there was no war, if his parents hadn't been killed, if he hadn't made so many mistakes as a vigilante, if all the pain the war caused him hadn't happened? The things about the war are the kind of things I'd like to forget if I was Jet. Brainwashing may not be mind control, but it still requires either some cooperation or weakness on the victim's part (guilt, age, naivete, maybe making them disoriented through food/water deprivation).

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    someone198

    [6]Sep 24, 2006
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    IdeaBender wrote:
    In real life though hypnosis isn't very effective once the hypnotist is gone.
    ?? But the Dai Li are everywhere, so the fear is, too.
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    [7]Sep 24, 2006
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    *points here* Ask A Question, Get An Answer II Thread??Please use this thread for questions. This could possibly go in the Spoilers and Speculations thread, too.

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    lilykt7

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    This topic even begins with the word questions
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    BiSheng

    [9]Sep 24, 2006
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    KilalaRose wrote:

    *points here* Ask A Question, Get An Answer II Thread Please use this thread for questions. This could possibly go in the Spoilers and Speculations thread, too.



    I wasn't a question about the show, so I didn't think that was the appropriate place for it.
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    KilalaRose

    [10]Sep 24, 2006
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    BiSheng wrote:
    KilalaRose wrote:

    *points here* Ask A Question, Get An Answer II Thread Please use this thread for questions. This could possibly go in the Spoilers and Speculations thread, too.



    I wasn't a question about the show, so I didn't think that was the appropriate place for it.
    Then it goes in the Spoilers and Speculations thread
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    Hoshie26

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    KilalaRose wrote:
    BiSheng wrote:
    KilalaRose wrote:

    *points here* Ask A Question, Get An Answer II Thread Please use this thread for questions. This could possibly go in the Spoilers and Speculations thread, too.



    I wasn't a question about the show, so I didn't think that was the appropriate place for it.
    Then it goes in the Spoilers and Speculations thread


    It doesnt seem like a spoiler.
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    Hoshie26

    [12]Sep 24, 2006
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    someone198 wrote:

    Let's assume no magic was involved. Hypnosis and brainwashing are both possible in the real world without magic, but they are two very different things.

    Hypnosis: No one can be hypnotized against their will. People with a strong will are more easily hypnotized, not people with a weak will, which??I would assume links to how you can only be hypnotized willingly. It's normally used to help people break bad habits, remember things forgotten relating to crimes (but not to coerce confessions), or for entertainment.

    Brainwashing: Not controlling will, but changing will. Breaking a person's spirit. Personality makeover. In the real world, I've heard it takes a minimum of 72 hours, but it usually takes less than 72 seconds in anime. It requires 4 steps:
    - Traumatic Shock (i.e. rape, kidnapping, killing a loved one; in Jet's case, maybe it would be being abandoned by his followers,??his near-death experience of nearly getting his head sliced off, and being carted away to prison)
    - Isolation (in this case, being locked up alone in near darkness and completely restrained counts)
    - Indoctrination ("There is no war" ... "You are safe")
    - Promise of Reward (Believe it, or die ... or never escape ... or never find salvation/power/safety, etc.; succumbing to brainwashing is partly a defense mechanism- reality becomes too stressful too deal with, so you cling to a safer??belief, like your captor is your friend even??if they're threatening to kill you, or your cult holds the true path no matter what crimes they commit. Your subconscious instinct tells you to believe to survive.)

    What happened to Jet was clearly against his will, so it was brainwashing, not hypnosis (unless it was magic). C.S. Lewis says something about a character in a scene from The Silver Chair who's being a cross between magically hypnotized and brainwashed that??I think applies in any case: "The fact that she could still feel it proved it had not yet fully worked." As long as a character knows someone's messing with their head and consciously tries to resist, they're still in control. The truly enchanted don't believe they're under a spell; the throughly brainwashed don't believe they've been brainwashed.

    I imagine as the Dai Li were forcing their lies about no war and the perfection and safety of Ba Sing Se at Jet, what would cause him to break would be??the human survival mechanism. Wouldn't it be wonderful if it was true, if there was no war, if his parents hadn't been killed, if he hadn't made so many mistakes as a vigilante, if all the pain the war caused him hadn't happened? The things about the war are the kind of things I'd like to forget if I was Jet. Brainwashing may not be mind control, but it still requires either some cooperation or weakness on the victim's part (guilt, age, naivete, maybe making them disoriented through food/water deprivation).



    That exsplains alot.
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