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Ozai should've died. What do you think?

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    Falcondude123

    [21]Jul 20, 2008
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    Teranef wrote:

    I'd just like to say I feel like smashing my computer onto the asphalt of my street right now because I had written a VERY long post and for some reason the piece of crud went back a page when I tried to type and my enire post was deleted. And no, I didn't press the backspace. So, anyway. this is a shorter, immensely INFERIOR version of my original post. I hate my computer. Moving on;

    This isn't about revenge, but the tone of the series. I have no feelings about getting even, my focus is on continuity in the themes of the show. Think about the effects of the war we've seen in the past 3 seasons.

    The genocides, decimations, and wiping out of the air nomads and the southern waterbenders, the seizing of control over villages and suppressing populations into submission, imprisoning all potential threats, the many prisons holding war prisoners, traitors to Ozai, or those who's crime was only that they bent an element other then fire, vigilantes who've had their families and lives taken away by the fire nation and are thus hell bent on spending the rest of their lives dealing vengeful retribution against anyone of the fire nation, the third-reich-esque regime and the air of domination and superiority existing among the military, and the similar attitude among the civillians who cheer on this domination of other nations, and the propaganda machine that shapes public schools into factories of future soldiers and lovers of war, the families separated by the war for years, the outcast status of anyone fire nation who sees the madness of the war, the mass migrations of refugees who've had everything but their hope destroyed, and often that hope destroyed as well, the refugees who find shelter in the former homes of those even less lucky; the exterminated, the seiges, the destruction, the scarred memories that will be around forever, the desperation of the defending militaries who are so used to war, the towns that were once Earth Kingdom years or decades ago, but are now Fire Nation, the assassins and the terrorists, those violent ambitions that have worked for years or decades to achieve what they need only for their missions to have been a waste in a day's time and in that time they're expected to forget it, the cities that have been driven to conspiracy, brainwashing, treason and corruption to hide the scars of the war, the destruction of cities simply by the presence of Fire Nation cities and factories and the Fire Nation soldiers who have been used to these rights of superiority all their lives, the people who've had family members killed by the fire nation and their murderous vendettas against the guilty party . . . a war of this magnitude is no less then a climate to be adapted to, an atmosphere that fills the day to day life, the tone of a story. Over many episodes over the whole of the series, many dark themes have been discussed. I always felt that, in a kid-friendly way, the show revealed almost all the faces of war with refreshingly realistic darkness.

    The dark themes present in almost the entire show previously was not present in the defeat of the fire lord OR the aftermath. Instead, Aang refuses to sacrifice his spiritual well-being to defeat the fire lord and instead we get a light-hearted light show of magic and fantasy that seems totally out of the blue like the writers just jotted something down on the script at the last minute because they couldn't think of anything more clever. Ozai's fate did not seem to fit with the more realistic themes of the rest of the series, IMO. And following that it seemed like all the problems were automatically solved. After 100 years of war . . . peace in a single day? After 3 generations of dedication and ambition to an epic cause . . . it's forgotten in a matter of hours? Friendship and carefree, perky feelings came far too quickly, creating what came off to me as a cheesy happily ever after.

    In the original post I went into a lot of detail about the lingering effects of the war. Many who had adapted to a life in a war climate would be ill-adapted to peacetime and would attempt to continue the war as they'd been doing all their lives, lest a massive chunk of their lives be wasted and amount to nothing. There'd be loyalists, terrorists, assassins, etc. What of the Zhaos of the Fire Nation Military? What of the Hamas and Jets of the world? The aftermath of a war I see as not one of celebration but one resembling the aftermath of a natural disaster; people trying to find loved ones (and what of war prisoners released from prison with no family or home existing any longer to return to?), healing wounds, etc.

    War is a climate, and the finale's last 8 minutes seemed way to drastic a climate change to adapt to.

    Your thoughts?



    In the words of Master Chief: "Wou, dat iz quite a mowthful- it muzt b ur kynd uv theeng." If you don't get it, don't try.

    Lol but seriously; your right- Mr. Hamil should have died at the end. However, locked in a dark dungeon for the rest of his life isn't much better. Also I was pleased with Roku&friend's advice to Aang: kill if you must. It was a pleasant surprise to hear a Nick show espousing this idea.

    And did they have too happy of an ending after too long and dark of a war? Well, yeah, but who says it all took one day? It must have taken weeks to gather all those people and get Zuko crowned. Also the final scene could have been months after the war for all we know. That's the thing with scene transitions- they distort time.
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    Ramrom

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    Aang made the right choice.
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    fire_wheels

    [23]Jul 20, 2008
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    imo, Azula is more deserving of death, she was the better villian.
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    amdragfreak

    [24]Jul 20, 2008
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    They should have killed them both. I was left unsatisfied.
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    FourthLegacy

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    fire_wheels wrote:
    imo, Azula is more deserving of death, she was the better villian.

    ^This. Despite censorship issues, I was pretty sure they'd give her a behind-the-curtain death.

    I was fine with Ozai not dying, although I wish he would've been a complete vegetable after the whole ordeal. One can dream...

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    Teranef

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    A number of people are saying that imprisonment was a worse fate for Ozai then death. I don't dispute that but it is irrelavent. Do you believe taking away his beinding was actually a darker ending then death? Seriously? I don't think so. And the idea that simply because his bending was gone, so was all his political power, was a little too simple for me. Plus, Aang's bending-removing power seemed completely out of the blue, like it was fresh out of the writers ass. A few people say they predicted it. I'm curious; how?

    Although, I admit he didn't NEED to die (or even if he did, Aang didn't need to kill him. If he braught about his own death somehow that'd be great as well). If he had been rendered insane as Azula had but beyond the mental capability of ruling the fire nation, or if he had taken such brain damage that he was rendered a vegetable, or any number of other endings that didn't sould like some on-the-spot new superpower the writers made up because they'd written themselves into a corner with the end of TSR.

    Now that I think about it, I agree with another poster that Azula may have been the greater villain. She was, and the fire nation considered her, heir to the throne. Why would her nation turn her back on her like that just because Katara had chained her up? I felt it was too simple, too easy. I would've preferred to see more of the reactions of the FN government, military and civillians and why they made the decision to simply forget about the leaders they had claimed loyalty in favor of those whom they were taught to see as enemies of the state?

    One person said something along the lines of "After 100 years of war, weren't they all just want peace?". Well, here's the thing. In ThE Seige of the North,, how do you think Zhao would've reacted if he'd suddenly recieved news that the war was over, just as he was riding a rhino through the northern water tribe? Would he have said, "Well, I'm glad all that needless violence is over and we can live happily now" and gone home? How would Jet and Hama have reacted had the end of the war abruptly been announced just as they were about to blow up the damn/imprisoning a new batch of FN civillians into a cave. Would they have said, "Well I'm glad we can finally all just hold hands and no longer have to fight each other."? How would the Warden of the Boiling Rock felt upon recieving a messenger hawk saying that almost every single person in the prison was no longer considered a criminal and was to be immediately released? Granted, I can see him complying but I doubt he'd be feeling, "Oh goody, now I don't have to control all these poor people and keep them locked up and away from their families!" Upon the announcement of the end of the war, do you think that little kid in Zuko Alone would say, "Yay, now the fire nation's good and we can hold hands and I no longer hate them!"? How would the audience members in Ember Island Players who cheered on the deaths of Aang and Zuko and the victory of the fire lord percieved it if as they walked out of the theater they learned that Zuko had just taken down Azula and taken the throne and the fire lord was just defeated by the Avatar. Do you really think it'd be happiness and relief after that standing ovation they gave to a vision of just those character's demises and of the victory of Ozai and Azula? How do you think Mai's parents and the civillians of Omashu, and the civillians of any other town (the one from Jet, Imprisoned, even maybe the village from Puppet Master) would've reacted to hear they were being removed from their new homes, the governers removed from power and the civillians having to be re-located back to the Fire Nation because their homes and cities are declared Earth Kingdom once more? How would old Iroh (the Iroh we saw in that letter home in Zuko Alone, not the Iroh that became when his son died), would've felt if, after the 600th day of the seige he was informed his troops had been fighting for nothing for the past 600 days and they were to retreat? Now, I'm sure Iroh wouldn't have rebelled but I doubt he'd feel nothing but relief and joy. Heck, how do you think Iroh would've felt when his son died if a messenger hawk came with a note saying the war was declared officially over just hours or a day before his son died, realizing he did die for absolutely nothing. Heck imagine all the people that recieve news of the death of loved ones and the end of the war on the same die; sure there'd be relief but there'd also be the realization that they died for nothing. The dust clearing after 100 years of turbulance; I foresee shock and confusion amidst any relief. I see people who revolved their entire lives around something only to realize it was all for nothing. I see people unable to adapt from war mode to one of peace. I just don't see the end of a war as being nothing else but celebration and relief and cookies and cream.

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    Lady_elest

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    The Series couldn't have ended any other way. Not if it was to be good storytelling. It would have left inconsistancies and the moral that has been consistantly held would have been compromised. (Trigun spoilers) It would be like if Vash had killed Knives at the end of that series. It also would have made the events in the story more important than the characters... and since this is pretty much character driven... that would have seemed weird... and bitter.

    Besides... if Ozai's dead... How could we ask where Ursa is.^^ (me like-y fan-fic openings!)

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    gilvatar

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    I think Aang didn't kill Ozai is good for the same reason Batman can't kill the Joker; it would make him just like the villian.
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    LordGrievous

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    Teranef wrote:

    A number of people are saying that imprisonment was a worse fate for Ozai then death. I don't dispute that but it is irrelavent. Do you believe taking away his beinding was actually a darker ending then death? Seriously? I don't think so. And the idea that simply because his bending was gone, so was all his political power, was a little too simple for me. Plus, Aang's bending-removing power seemed completely out of the blue, like it was fresh out of the writers ass. A few people say they predicted it. I'm curious; how?

    Although, I admit he didn't NEED to die (or even if he did, Aang didn't need to kill him. If he braught about his own death somehow that'd be great as well). If he had been rendered insane as Azula had but beyond the mental capability of ruling the fire nation, or if he had taken such brain damage that he was rendered a vegetable, or any number of other endings that didn't sould like some on-the-spot new superpower the writers made up because they'd written themselves into a corner with the end of TSR.

    Now that I think about it, I agree with another poster that Azula may have been the greater villain. She was, and the fire nation considered her, heir to the throne. Why would her nation turn her back on her like that just because Katara had chained her up? I felt it was too simple, too easy. I would've preferred to see more of the reactions of the FN government, military and civillians and why they made the decision to simply forget about the leaders they had claimed loyalty in favor of those whom they were taught to see as enemies of the state?

    One person said something along the lines of "After 100 years of war, weren't they all just want peace?". Well, here's the thing. In ThE Seige of the North,, how do you think Zhao would've reacted if he'd suddenly recieved news that the war was over, just as he was riding a rhino through the northern water tribe? Would he have said, "Well, I'm glad all that needless violence is over and we can live happily now" and gone home? How would Jet and Hama have reacted had the end of the war abruptly been announced just as they were about to blow up the damn/imprisoning a new batch of FN civillians into a cave. Would they have said, "Well I'm glad we can finally all just hold hands and no longer have to fight each other."? How would the Warden of the Boiling Rock felt upon recieving a messenger hawk saying that almost every single person in the prison was no longer considered a criminal and was to be immediately released? Granted, I can see him complying but I doubt he'd be feeling, "Oh goody, now I don't have to control all these poor people and keep them locked up and away from their families!" Upon the announcement of the end of the war, do you think that little kid in Zuko Alone would say, "Yay, now the fire nation's good and we can hold hands and I no longer hate them!"? How would the audience members in Ember Island Players who cheered on the deaths of Aang and Zuko and the victory of the fire lord percieved it if as they walked out of the theater they learned that Zuko had just taken down Azula and taken the throne and the fire lord was just defeated by the Avatar. Do you really think it'd be happiness and relief after that standing ovation they gave to a vision of just those character's demises and of the victory of Ozai and Azula? How do you think Mai's parents and the civillians of Omashu, and the civillians of any other town (the one from Jet, Imprisoned, even maybe the village from Puppet Master) would've reacted to hear they were being removed from their new homes, the governers removed from power and the civillians having to be re-located back to the Fire Nation because their homes and cities are declared Earth Kingdom once more? How would old Iroh (the Iroh we saw in that letter home in Zuko Alone, not the Iroh that became when his son died), would've felt if, after the 600th day of the seige he was informed his troops had been fighting for nothing for the past 600 days and they were to retreat? Now, I'm sure Iroh wouldn't have rebelled but I doubt he'd feel nothing but relief and joy. Heck, how do you think Iroh would've felt when his son died if a messenger hawk came with a note saying the war was declared officially over just hours or a day before his son died, realizing he did die for absolutely nothing. Heck imagine all the people that recieve news of the death of loved ones and the end of the war on the same die; sure there'd be relief but there'd also be the realization that they died for nothing. The dust clearing after 100 years of turbulance; I foresee shock and confusion amidst any relief. I see people who revolved their entire lives around something only to realize it was all for nothing. I see people unable to adapt from war mode to one of peace. I just don't see the end of a war as being nothing else but celebration and relief and cookies and cream.

    I agree that Aang's bending removing powers did come out of the blue it was so random I was expecting Aang to use his avatar-state powers to destroy the comet so no future fire-benders could use it for evil again.

    I guess the creators wanted to keep him alive and to do that was by taking away his bending but I think they should've just had Aang knock him out and have him sent to the Northern Water-Tribe to be imprisoned in a place like where Zuko was taking Aang in "The Siege of the North" that way if Ozai ever does escape he'll have to face a blizzard and a whole bunch of water-benders.

    And I do agree there would be some loyalist who would still support the war which could bring forth another season or a movie special.

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    DMClover314

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    as many of you have probably said it, it was better of this way that his bending was just taken away. in my opinion if ozai died, he wud have escaped the true punishment which is for him to suffer, and rot in prison. he may deserve to die, but he deserves to be tortured first. i prefer it this way, he can have a nice slow painful death, mmm we need to talk to zuko and make sure he doesnt feed him O.o
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    Teranef

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    gilvatar wrote:
    I think Aang didn't kill Ozai is good for the same reason Batman can't kill the Joker; it would make him just like the villian.
    Right. Sure. And I'm sure the state of Florida is just as evil as Ted Bundy, and America is just as bad as Suddam Hussein for bringing about his death. And any cop that shot a mass murderer down as the nut went about his rampage is just as dishonorable the mass murderer himself. And the father who shoots a gun-weilding burglar dead in his home to protect his family is just as wrong as the burglar himself. You never hear people making these sorts of comparisons to real life people.

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    darth_mage

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    Its easy to say something like that when its hypothetical than it is to apply it to real life. if you do hold all life sacred like many Buddhists do then the cops or person defending their home would be just as bad as the attacker if they take their life, and some stricter Buddhists would also say any form of violence is unacceptable.
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    Lady_elest

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    There are a lot of bitter and angry people on this forum........ This show was supposed to inspire hope, people... not cater to the Emo of the day.

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    suss2it

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    Teranef wrote:

    gilvatar wrote:
    I think Aang didn't kill Ozai is good for the same reason Batman can't kill the Joker; it would make him just like the villian.
    Right. Sure. And I'm sure the state of Florida is just as evil as Ted Bundy, and America is just as bad as Suddam Hussein for bringing about his death. And any cop that shot a mass murderer down as the nut went about his rampage is just as dishonorable the mass murderer himself. And the father who shoots a gun-weilding burglar dead in his home to protect his family is just as wrong as the burglar himself. You never hear people making these sorts of comparisons to real life people.

    Aang is a monk. If he can stop the Firelord without killing him, don't you think that's the path he would take?
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    cdkee

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    See before the finale, I accidentally read spoilers that a member posted, and thought, "Oh no, he won't die!"

    But after the finale, I don't care, Bryke ended the series perfectly.
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    Teranef

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    darth_mage wrote:
    Its easy to say something like that when its hypothetical than it is to apply it to real life. if you do hold all life sacred like many Buddhists do then the cops or person defending their home would be just as bad as the attacker if they take their life, and some stricter Buddhists would also say any form of violence is unacceptable.
    Considering all killing unnacceptable is fine. It's claiming a man forced to shoot a man who's about to lay waste to 100 innocent children is as equally bad as Hitler with no diffrentiation, or concept of degree of immorality, that I object to. It's the same as saying a child a lie to get out of his homework or brushing his teeth is on the same level as Ted Bundy lying to and charming his victims. Just because lying and killing are wrong, doesn't mean they are equal acts. That's the kind of lack of diffrentiation that justified the death penalty for petty theft in the middle ages.
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    Teranef

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    suss2it wrote:
    Teranef wrote:

    gilvatar wrote:
    I think Aang didn't kill Ozai is good for the same reason Batman can't kill the Joker; it would make him just like the villian.
    Right. Sure. And I'm sure the state of Florida is just as evil as Ted Bundy, and America is just as bad as Suddam Hussein for bringing about his death. And any cop that shot a mass murderer down as the nut went about his rampage is just as dishonorable the mass murderer himself. And the father who shoots a gun-weilding burglar dead in his home to protect his family is just as wrong as the burglar himself. You never hear people making these sorts of comparisons to real life people.

    Aang is a monk. If he can stop the Firelord without killing him, don't you think that's the path he would take?
    Yes.

    I guess what's really gotten me so up about it was his new surprise cop-out superpower he used to do it. And I guess I would've liked to see his fall from political power better addressed, rather then it just being assumed that just because he's lost his bending the fire nation turns against him and simply no longer considers him fire lord anymore, just accepting Zuko as their new leader. I guess I just found it too tidy and simple. .

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    NYrockinlegend

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    Jouai wrote:
    Teranef wrote:

    I'd just like to say I feel like smashing my computer onto the asphalt of my street right now because I had written a VERY long post and for some reason the piece of crud went back a page when I tried to type and my enire post was deleted. And no, I didn't press the backspace. So, anyway. this is a shorter, immensely INFERIOR version of my original post. I hate my computer. Moving on;

    This isn't about revenge, but the tone of the series. I have no feelings about getting even, my focus is on continuity in the themes of the show. Think about the effects of the war we've seen in the past 3 seasons.

    The genocides, decimations, and wiping out of the air nomads and the southern waterbenders, the seizing of control over villages and suppressing populations into submission, imprisoning all potential threats, the many prisons holding war prisoners, traitors to Ozai, or those who's crime was only that they bent an element other then fire, vigilantes who've had their families and lives taken away by the fire nation and are thus hell bent on spending the rest of their lives dealing vengeful retribution against anyone of the fire nation, the third-reich-esque regime and the air of domination and superiority existing among the military, and the similar attitude among the civillians who cheer on this domination of other nations, and the propaganda machine that shapes public schools into factories of future soldiers and lovers of war, the families separated by the war for years, the outcast status of anyone fire nation who sees the madness of the war, the mass migrations of refugees who've had everything but their hope destroyed, and often that hope destroyed as well, the refugees who find shelter in the former homes of those even less lucky; the exterminated, the seiges, the destruction, the scarred memories that will be around forever, the desperation of the defending militaries who are so used to war, the towns that were once Earth Kingdom years or decades ago, but are now Fire Nation, the assassins and the terrorists, those violent ambitions that have worked for years or decades to achieve what they need only for their missions to have been a waste in a day's time and in that time they're expected to forget it, the cities that have been driven to conspiracy, brainwashing, treason and corruption to hide the scars of the war, the destruction of cities simply by the presence of Fire Nation cities and factories and the Fire Nation soldiers who have been used to these rights of superiority all their lives, the people who've had family members killed by the fire nation and their murderous vendettas against the guilty party . . . a war of this magnitude is no less then a climate to be adapted to, an atmosphere that fills the day to day life, the tone of a story. Over many episodes over the whole of the series, many dark themes have been discussed. I always felt that, in a kid-friendly way, the show revealed almost all the faces of war with refreshingly realistic darkness.

    The dark themes present in almost the entire show previously was not present in the defeat of the fire lord OR the aftermath. Instead, Aang refuses to sacrifice his spiritual well-being to defeat the fire lord and instead we get a light-hearted light show of magic and fantasy that seems totally out of the blue like the writers just jotted something down on the script at the last minute because they couldn't think of anything more clever. Ozai's fate did not seem to fit with the more realistic themes of the rest of the series, IMO. And following that it seemed like all the problems were automatically solved. After 100 years of war . . . peace in a single day? After 3 generations of dedication and ambition to an epic cause . . . it's forgotten in a matter of hours? Friendship and carefree, perky feelings came far too quickly, creating what came off to me as a cheesy happily ever after.

    In the original post I went into a lot of detail about the lingering effects of the war. Many who had adapted to a life in a war climate would be ill-adapted to peacetime and would attempt to continue the war as they'd been doing all their lives, lest a massive chunk of their lives be wasted and amount to nothing. There'd be loyalists, terrorists, assassins, etc. What of the Zhaos of the Fire Nation Military? What of the Hamas and Jets of the world? The aftermath of a war I see as not one of celebration but one resembling the aftermath of a natural disaster; people trying to find loved ones (and what of war prisoners released from prison with no family or home existing any longer to return to?), healing wounds, etc.

    War is a climate, and the finale's last 8 minutes seemed way to drastic a climate change to adapt to.

    Your thoughts?



    No extra thoughts need be said (on my end, at least), because it's pretty much what I had thought, myself. I'm not saying I'm condoning further violence or anything like that, and in a way it's better for him to live and think about all he'd done during his rule. But being he is/was who/how he is/was, I highly doubt he'll give remorse to it . . . maybe if he saw Ursa again, but who knows? So the decision not to kill him, which clearly was mainly a way to avoid being extra dark, the show (which doesn't make sense, considering, and considering all you'd already listed), was a bit curious indeed.


    I agree with what was said up above. The darker elements of the show don't seem to be in play here, and the overused moral "Violence doesn't solve anything", yeah, it was okay for Aang to not want to cause violence, but think: this is a war, war is a worldwide issue, and the past Avatars said that though violence may be against their beliefs, its important to do whatever it takes to save the world. I'm kinda thinking how Zuko would feel right now, but anyway...

    When a show(or movie rather) takes the morals too far, it ends up being too light of an ending, not dark enough as it would fit the show, and uninteresting. Of course, everything being dark is just depressing; there is a light side to the series, but I think that light side was kinda overbearing, here. Also, if a moral that prevents violence messes with a show or movie's storyline, it quickly becomes uninteresting, especially if it's of the action genre and it had violence contained in it throughout. I'm not saying it SHOULD support endless violence; there has to be an end somewhere. But these unrealistic, cheery, happy endings are what just make an ending kinda uninteresting for a show like this. Sure, the finale was epic and exciting, but the overall epilogue, could've gone a different way. For this kind of show, it should have been at least emotional. Not saying it had to be bittersweet, all the characters could live, but could there at least be a little more emotion towards the war, here? It's also unrealistic that no one in the finale ever died, because in war, at least a few people or forces die. Not saying it had to be the good characters who die, but I think Ozai should've died, because that would end the war. The finale was pretty good, but the epilogue, not so much.
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    kratosgod69

    [39]Jul 20, 2008
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    I dont think Ozai should have died, but I didn't really care for the SPIRIT BENDING. I think a life sentence would destroy his mentality though, and that he would go crazy with a death he deserves.
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    scullymulder

    [40]Jul 20, 2008
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    The whole point of Ozai not dying, aka Aang sparing his life, was that forgiveness is the better route. It kills violence and hatred, which is something our whole world needs right now. It wasn't about punishment, it was about the right thing being done. That's why Aang was the Avatar -- he recognized that.

    And as for the 'darker tone' in the whole series...well, the whole series has been a commentary on our world today. Don't you think that could use some changing, as well?

    Anyway, like I said. The point of Ozai not dying was to teach forgiveness, and not aggression.
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