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Official Episode Discussion: The Avatar State

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    antlive831

    [81]Mar 17, 2006
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    Gotta love that sungi horn. mmmmmm mmmm mmmm mmmmm
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    ToonGal

    [82]Mar 17, 2006
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    daisysgirl wrote:
    Do you guys think that we will get to see Zuko wothout his ponytail in the next episode

    Unforutnately, yes .
    Edited on 03/17/2006 7:42pm
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    sluggmunki_tx

    [83]Mar 17, 2006
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    kawaiiairbender wrote:
    Toongal just have to say your siggie is awesome.


    Yes, toongal. I love that sig.
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    Silent_Skies

    [84]Mar 17, 2006
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    I'm sure we will.

    You know, for all that Azula is evil and hateful, blah blah blah, she and Zuko really DO have a lot in common. They both know how to cover a lie pretty well (Zuko lying to Zhao about finding info for the Avatar; pretty convincing to me). Both of them have a temper, although Zuko has his toned down a bit. And the artists managed to make them both look alike in the face. :-) And they are brother and sister (lol, obviously) Overall: excellent episode.
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    Silent_Skies

    [85]Mar 17, 2006
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    The sig is cute lol
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    Silent_Skies

    [86]Mar 17, 2006
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    someone198 wrote:
    ToonGal wrote:
    I thought the cherry blossom scene with Zuko and Iroh fit them really well. After all, cherry blossoms are supposed to be an ominous sign, and it looks like their future isn't gonna be so bright.

    Why? What do cherry blossoms signify?

    A few points of my own:
    - Is it just me, or did the general say something like "With great power comes great responsibility" in their first meeting?
    - I love the new Incredible-Hulk-complex conflict for Aang. Typical monomyth fare, but I thought when it came along, it would be with Zuko.

    Zuko...
    - Learning it was Iroh all along holding Zuko's shoulder in his flashback, not his father, was definitely ominously creepy.
    - I swear, when Zuko first held up that knife, just for a second, I wondered if he was going to kill himself.- Fortunately, we've just studied the Age of Reason in English Lit. The popular moral of the time: When the heart overrides the mind, disaster strikes. Of course, every viewer knew it was a lie and a trap, no doubt from the start. But Zuko wants his father's love and to return home so badly, he can't think straight. His desire to believe completely overpowered his reason. It didn't seem far out at all to me or any less sad.
    - I thought the alternating scenes from Aang's story to Zuko's to Aang's and back again made an incredibly choppy episode. (But I liked it because they gave Zuko so much attention). I think two episodes, one for each of the two plots, would make more sense. Maybe the writers are trying to give less attention to Zuko and make the fans focus more on their protagonist, Aang (like I said, this whole Incredible Hulk-like complex adds darkness to his character).
    - Too bad Iroh's mysterious lightning bending ability is, apparently, not unique. But how in the world can fire benders bend lightning?


    Interesting thing to say...I enjoyed reading that ^ ^
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    air_gurl13

    [87]Mar 17, 2006
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    This episode was wickedldy awesome!!!!!!!!!!! The whole Aang drinking the tea and getting hyper was really funny!!!!
    Aang: Is it working? Is it working? I can't tell. Somebody tell me if I'm in the avatar state cause I don't have a good view of myself. Am I talking to loud?
    Sokka: I guess he could talk the Fire Lord to death.
    Aang: Oofffff!!

    Also that general is a whacked up guy. I didn't like him. Zuko cut off his pretty black hair Oh, no I'm turning into a fangirl. Must resist temptation!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!
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    outofmym1nd247

    [88]Mar 17, 2006
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    Does anyone know the symbolisim of Zuko and Iroh cut their hair in the end?? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that in old Chinese culture, having long hair was a symbol of wisdome and greatness and by cutting it is a disgrace and you are looked down upon. Maybe that is why... anybody have an idea?
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    ToonGal

    [89]Mar 17, 2006
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    My computer is going unusually slow...

    Glad everyone likes the sig ^_^. Daisysgirl-I got the pic of Aang from Firebender.com.
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    tarah_of_earth

    [90]Mar 17, 2006
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    outofmym1nd247 wrote:
    Does anyone know the symbolisim of Zuko and Iroh cut their hair in the end?? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that in old Chinese culture, having long hair was a symbol of wisdome and greatness and by cutting it is a disgrace and you are looked down upon. Maybe that is why... anybody have an idea?


    i think i have an idea. you know how everyone in the fire nation has their hair up in the little bun things?... well they cut off them as a symbol of kinda leaving the fire nation completeley. cuz zuko has been completely rejected by his father, and he knows he will never return to his home.
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    kawaiiairbender

    [91]Mar 17, 2006
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    air_gurl13 wrote:
    This episode was wickedldy awesome!!!!!!!!!!! The whole Aang drinking the tea and getting hyper was really funny!!!!
    Aang: Is it working? Is it working? I can't tell. Somebody tell me if I'm in the avatar state cause I don't have a good view of myself. Am I talking to loud?
    Sokka: I guess he could talk the Fire Lord to death.
    Aang: Oofffff!!

    Also that general is a whacked up guy. I didn't like him. Zuko cut off his pretty black hair Oh, no I'm turning into a fangirl. Must resist temptation!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!

    You can't resist join us. We will assimilate you

    outofmym1nd247 wrote:
    Does anyone know the symbolisim of Zuko and Iroh cut their hair in the end?? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that in old Chinese culture, having long hair was a symbol of wisdome and greatness and by cutting it is a disgrace and you are looked down upon. Maybe that is why... anybody have an idea?

    I'll do some research but i've read that somewhere. (something like that anyway)
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    ToonGal

    [92]Mar 17, 2006
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    someone198 wrote:
    ToonGal wrote:
    I thought the cherry blossom scene with Zuko and Iroh fit them really well. After all, cherry blossoms are supposed to be an ominous sign, and it looks like their future isn't gonna be so bright.

    Why? What do cherry blossoms signify?

    I just remember reading somewhere that cherry blossoms are an ominous sign. After looking it up, I think that they can be considered ominous because they are short-lived (the beauty of a cherry blossom coupled with this can kinda represent a "calm before the storm", so to speak). But since it also represents purity and stuff like that, it could have had a different meaning than what I said ^_^;;.
    Edited on 03/17/2006 8:21pm
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    I_love_zuko

    [93]Mar 17, 2006
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    I wonder what fangirls will be thinking now that Zuko has cut off his hair o_o
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    pooldude256

    [94]Mar 17, 2006
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    I_love_zuko wrote:
    I wonder what fangirls will be thinking now that Zuko has cut off his hair o_o


    Well that's easy: they'll abandon Zuko and start obsessing over Sokka. People are already saying how cute he is with his hair down......
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    karatewolfpunk

    [95]Mar 17, 2006
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    pooldude256 wrote:
    I_love_zuko wrote:
    I wonder what fangirls will be thinking now that Zuko has cut off his hair o_o


    Well that's easy: they'll abandon Zuko and start obsessing over Sokka. People are already saying how cute he is with his hair down......


    ...And his shirt off
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    ToonGal

    [96]Mar 17, 2006
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    pooldude256 wrote:
    I_love_zuko wrote:
    I wonder what fangirls will be thinking now that Zuko has cut off his hair o_o


    Well that's easy: they'll abandon Zuko and start obsessing over Sokka. People are already saying how cute he is with his hair down......

    Hey, I said he looked good with his hair down, not cute....
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    Breakflame

    [97]Mar 17, 2006
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    outofmym1nd247 wrote:
    Does anyone know the symbolisim of Zuko and Iroh cut their hair in the end?? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that in old Chinese culture, having long hair was a symbol of wisdome and greatness and by cutting it is a disgrace and you are looked down upon. Maybe that is why... anybody have an idea?


    In the Tokugawa Era of Japan, the ponytail was an actual law for certain people. by cutting off their hair, I believe they were doing the equivalent of defying the lord. but this is just me transporting japanese culture into Avatar.

    Feudal Japan is one of my 3 great History subjects(mostly because Samurai rock)
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    mellomuse

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    kawaiiairbender wrote:
    air_gurl13 wrote:
    This episode was wickedldy awesome!!!!!!!!!!! The whole Aang drinking the tea and getting hyper was really funny!!!!
    Aang: Is it working? Is it working? I can't tell. Somebody tell me if I'm in the avatar state cause I don't have a good view of myself. Am I talking to loud?
    Sokka: I guess he could talk the Fire Lord to death.
    Aang: Oofffff!!

    Also that general is a whacked up guy. I didn't like him. Zuko cut off his pretty black hair Oh, no I'm turning into a fangirl. Must resist temptation!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!

    You can't resist join us. We will assimilate you

    so true, come join the ZuZu fan club

    outofmym1nd247 wrote:
    Does anyone know the symbolisim of Zuko and Iroh cut their hair in the end?? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that in old Chinese culture, having long hair was a symbol of wisdome and greatness and by cutting it is a disgrace and you are looked down upon. Maybe that is why... anybody have an idea?

    I'll do some research but i've read that somewhere. (something like that anyway)[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I think that too. I also think, as I saw someone else state earlier, that it is symbolic of them cutting off ties with the Fire Nation, or maybe I should say the FN royal family. Frankly, I think the liklihood of Zuko or Zuko/Iroh starting some sort of rebellion down the road just went up significantly.
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    Breakflame

    [99]Mar 17, 2006
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    Breakflame wrote:
    outofmym1nd247 wrote:
    Does anyone know the symbolisim of Zuko and Iroh cut their hair in the end?? I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that in old Chinese culture, having long hair was a symbol of wisdome and greatness and by cutting it is a disgrace and you are looked down upon. Maybe that is why... anybody have an idea?


    In the Tokugawa Era of Japan, the ponytail was an actual law for certain people. by cutting off their hair, I believe they were doing the equivalent of defying the lord. but this is just me transporting japanese culture into Avatar.

    Feudal Japan is one of my 3 great History subjects(mostly because Samurai rock)


    Oops. I actually think the ponytail(called a Queue) was a chinese culture thing. my bad.
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    pooldude256

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    ToonGal wrote:
    pooldude256 wrote:
    I_love_zuko wrote:
    I wonder what fangirls will be thinking now that Zuko has cut off his hair o_o


    Well that's easy: they'll abandon Zuko and start obsessing over Sokka. People are already saying how cute he is with his hair down......

    Hey, I said he looked good with his hair down, not cute....


    Same difference...I think....
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