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Official Episode Discussion: Lake Laogai (11/3)

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    dude5002

    [41]Nov 3, 2006
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    my one main concern is what happened to that note and who got the information on it and what did it say?
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    BrainMan820

    [42]Nov 3, 2006
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    I was actually pleased with this episode. After some trite filler episodes, it's good to see the story pick up. Toph was fairly amusing, although it's always about her blindness. Her gems were good, but they will get old.

    The battle scene was well-done. The only concern I had was Toph being a little too strong. How was she able to sense the Dai Lee flung their gloves in the air at the beginning of the fight if she cannot see them? Everyone else, though, was fine. Even Katara, who tends to be really overpowering.

    Zuko and Iroh, my favorite pair, also made me happy. I agree with the above poster: Zuko knows what he wants from life. But he has no idea how to do it. It seems as though he chases the Avatar because that's all he has to go on. A complete fool's errand. But yeah, Zuko really had no idea what to do with Appa once he caught him. The bison probably wouldn't have responded to Zuko's commands.

    Emotional scenes with Jet, and he really turned it around. Those types of developments were in character for Jet, and so they worked really well.
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    Sci-fi09

    [43]Nov 3, 2006
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    Great episode. As to the note, I have no idea, good question.
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    Fronzel

    [44]Nov 3, 2006
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    BrainMan820 wrote:
    The only concern I had was Toph being a little too strong. How was she able to sense the Dai Lee flung their gloves in the air at the beginning of the fight if she cannot see them?

    She got gloved (totally by surprise)??in "City of Walls and Secrets", so maybe she's learned to recognize the vibration/movements associated with it?

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    PrimoNation

    [45]Nov 4, 2006
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    Fronzel wrote:

    BrainMan820 wrote:
    The only concern I had was Toph being a little too strong. How was she able to sense the Dai Lee flung their gloves in the air at the beginning of the fight if she cannot see them?

    She got gloved (totally by surprise)??in "City of Walls and Secrets", so maybe she's learned to recognize the vibration/movements associated with it?

    That and I also think that she is also able to feel the motion of what move the earthbender is about to do therefore she can configure a projectory.?? I mean realy if she can sense how big they are and the earthbending move, she should be able to counter it... that's what she did in Blind Bandit when the one guy threw some rock slices at here and she moved to the side and they passed before her eyes.

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    jujutheking

    [46]Nov 4, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    redgarlic68 wrote:
    What kind of tea would have Iroh made for Appa? How big would have Appa's teacup been? and... HOW THE HECK COULD UNCLE IROH MAKE HIS WAY INTO THERE?
    That a good questions... SECURITY!!! *secret police drag you way* The gods only know, that like asking how he managed to keep up with zuko when zuko was on that emmu-horse thing, in zuko alone and the chase.

    iroh can keep up with him.he just does it stealthy.

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    jujutheking

    [47]Nov 4, 2006
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    spazzy27 wrote:
    That questing, how Iroh got in there, is a very haunting question. Mabey its foreshadowing that Iroh is more than what the makers of the show are leading us to believe.

    ??iroh>>>zuko.U think he can't keep up with the blue spirit?He just followed him while being stealthy.(He is a general)

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    Colonel_Brian

    [48]Nov 4, 2006
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    Well the security wasn't that tight in Lake Loagai but in Ba Sing Se the city it's more developed cause not everyoe knows where the base is located so LongFeng may have just used a Patoon of soldiers there.
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    jujutheking

    [49]Nov 4, 2006
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    PrimoNation wrote:

    Ya know if you think about it Iroh has always been a little 'light' on his feet:

    (1) During the Agni Kai between Zhao and Zuko he came out of left field to stop Zhao in his tracks.?? One minute we see him standing at the end of the field, next he is between them.

    (2) During The Avatar State he was fighting soldiers on the planks while Zuko fought Azula.?? Azula is too good a fighter not to see somebody of Iroh's size come waddling across the top deck over to where she is fighting Zuko... yet, in a blink of an eye, Iroh is there to redirect the lightning away from his nephew.

    (3) In The Spirit World when he is capture by the earthbending soldiers, he moves awful quickly with that chain during the fight scene between him and Zuko and the soldiers.

    (4) In the Siege of the North Part 2... let's not forget that he was standing up in the doorway of the oasis when he threatened Zhao, yet like lightning again, he was right there beating on the soldiers in a blink of an eye once Zhao killed the moon spirit.

    I know there were more instances yet I can't really think of any (after 12am and I've been sick for 3 days - ack!)?? But there is a point to what exactly did happen to Iroh in the spirit world that makes him the way he is and what extra sensory or physical attributes did he pick up while he was there.

    i think what most of u are forgetting is that iroh was a powerful fire nation general.He was going to be the fire lord if his son didn't die.(He probably is just a little bit weaker then his brother.

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    Pouj-Rui

    [50]Nov 4, 2006
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    electricblue18 wrote:
    AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    LISTEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ME EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    *SPAZZING OUT AND FOAMING AT MOUTH!!!!!!!*
    I just posted this in "The Crossroads of Destiny"

    I just watched Lake Laogai for the second time, and when Iroh yells at Zuko when Zuko is about to steal Appa, Iroh says something about Zuko's destiny. He talks about when Zuko had nowhere to go at the North Pole when he took Aang away, and that they saved him from dying. This is foreshadowing to The Crossroads of Destiny!!!!!!!!!! Iroh says something about destinies coming together or something. It is definently Zuko and Aang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I hope.

    If someone gets this on youtube then I can get the exact quote.


    OMG!!! I was going to post a review...but I have to yell first!!! STOP POSTING SPOILERS!!! SHE JUST GAVE OUT THE NAME OF A FUTURE EPISODE!!!
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    Colonel_Brian

    [51]Nov 4, 2006
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    Actually I think Iroh is stronger than Ozai and Azula yeah he's a man in his late 50's but he outranks Ozai whom may be powerful but not a master such as Iroh.
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    electricblue18

    [52]Nov 4, 2006
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    Pouj-Rui wrote:
    electricblue18 wrote:
    AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    LISTEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    ME EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    *SPAZZING OUT AND FOAMING AT MOUTH!!!!!!!*
    I just posted this in "The Crossroads of Destiny"

    I just watched Lake Laogai for the second time, and when Iroh yells at Zuko when Zuko is about to steal Appa, Iroh says something about Zuko's destiny. He talks about when Zuko had nowhere to go at the North Pole when he took Aang away, and that they saved him from dying. This is foreshadowing to The Crossroads of Destiny!!!!!!!!!! Iroh says something about destinies coming together or something. It is definently Zuko and Aang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I hope.

    If someone gets this on youtube then I can get the exact quote.


    OMG!!! I was going to post a review...but I have to yell first!!! STOP POSTING SPOILERS!!! SHE JUST GAVE OUT THE NAME OF A FUTURE EPISODE!!!

    OK, first of all I am a guy, and second of all that isn't much of a spoiler. The name of the finale has been out for a while?? ~_~
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    jujutheking

    [53]Nov 4, 2006
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    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Actually I think Iroh is stronger than Ozai and Azula yeah he's a man in his late 50's but he outranks Ozai whom may be powerful but not a master such as Iroh.

    He is more powerful then azula, but ozai is taking too far.

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    Colonel_Brian

    [54]Nov 4, 2006
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    No in truth Ozai isn't that strong he may be a fire lord but he doesn't need to be the best to do so....what Ioh has is true experiance he was a general and he has true power we don't know much about Ozai but if he was really strong why ddin't he show he was worthy of the throne but instead used Azula to appeal to his dad?
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    jujutheking

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    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    No in truth Ozai isn't that strong he may be a fire lord but he doesn't need to be the best to do so....what Ioh has is true experiance he was a general and he has true power we don't know much about Ozai but if he was really strong why ddin't he show he was worthy of the throne but instead used Azula to appeal to his dad?

    We don't know how strong he is and if he is weak.WTH would the point of the show be?Ok aang just beats him with no problem would be dumb.If iroh was more powerful they would have mentioned something.They are rpobably on the same level.(They probably trained together)

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    electricblue18

    [56]Nov 4, 2006
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    It's only been about 6 years since Ozai became Fire Lord. I think Iroh is much wiser and stronger, because he is the first born and the one that was originally supposed to become Fire Lord. I believe Iroh would have had more training than Ozai, and it is no coincidence that Azulon was killed right after Ozai was given the birth right to the throne. Why would Iroh have been in battle at the Earth Kingdom capital and Ozai not in battle at all?
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    RoyFanatic

    [57]Nov 4, 2006
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    Iroh is obviously?? stronger than his brother(george). He saw Roku's animal guide in chapter 8, and he was also able to tell that Yue was blessed by the spirits in chapter 20, so that means he has a connection to the Spirit World(george). And his unexplainable appearance at Appa's cell was proof that he has physical advantages from his connection to the Spirit World(george). Think about it, would Ozai be able to take down somebody with mental and physical enlightments from the spirits(george)? I doubt it(george).??
    Edited on 11/04/2006 11:25am
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    elrubio06

    [58]Nov 4, 2006
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    [QUOTE="ShadowfaxSTF"]

    ThoughtBender wrote:
    Speaking about Iroh being more than meets the eye... anyone remember when he actually saw that spirit-dragon flying by! Now I don't have to be an expert of Avatar to say this: normal people don't see spirits.

    There hasn't been much discussion about Iroh and his trip to the spirit world. In...hold on, im thinking, lol...in "Avatar Roku", Iroh saw the spirit-dragon, but none of the other men did (it obviously meant something)....and then in Siege of the North pt 2, zhao and iroh were on the boat:

    Zhao: Years ago i stumbled upon a great and powerful secret: the identity of the moon spirit's mortal form.

    Iroh: What?

    Zhao: I was a young leutenant serving under general Shu in the earth kingdom. I discovered a hidden library, underground in fact. I tore through scroll after scroll. One of them contained a detailed illustration and the words moon and ocean. I knew then that these spirits could be found and killed--and that it was my destiny to do so.

    Iroh: Zhao, the spirits are not to be trifled with.

    Zhao: Yes, yes i know you fear the spirits, Iroh. I've heard rumors about your journey into the spirit world, but the ocean and the moon gave up their immortality to become a part of our world and now they will face the consequences.

    ??And somewhere I am pretty sure someone said (maybe in the show?) that you can only see spirits if you have been in the spirit world. Saying that the spirits shouldn't be trifled with, is that speaking from experience? For one, how does a regular person go into the spirit world? Secondly, what was he doing in the spirit world? was he trying to destroy a spirit? I could see it happening after his son died. Maybe he was angry at the spirits? The show will answer it eventually. It will probably be some pivitol point later on.

    Now to talk about this episode, lol. I loved it! And i agree that the reunion was a bit anti-climatic. It happened so quickly. Although it recovered a bit when aang shed a tear, but overall it was so....blah, lol. but i loved the show!! I could see Zuko bringing the sickness upon himself. Possibly the stress and/or depression about everything. At this point, I think, for the first time, the hope of going home has disapeared. He KNOWS he wont be going back home, and that would be depressing. In previous instances, I think he??knew there could be a chance he wasn't going home (after "Avatar State" and they cut their hair) but I still think he had hope. He doesn't anymore.

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    easterntemple

    [59]Nov 4, 2006
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    how long do you think it is going to take for the Gaang and Zuko to run into each other since he and??Iroh are moving to the upper ring???
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    electricblue18

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    I think it will be in "The Earth King" when they meet
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