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Official Discussion: The Guru/The Crossroads of Destiny (12/1 - Spoilers)

dr_critic

[341]Dec 1, 2006

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CrushinOnZuko wrote:

jujutheking wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

You guys think that

Iroh The Dragon of The West can take of Azula

I think iroh would have been able to, a few years ago, but now he is too old, and not willing to play dirty but she is young, and wil lmost definetley cheat

i think i know what your saying, iroh i now a gentle person, no longer a tyrant. I dont know, but im guessing he has great powers

He does have great powers, though I don't think he'd be able to use them, the strain would be too much and then Zuko (who did no treally betray him) would have to take over

Zuko would get owned by azula as we have seen in the past, but i kinda like him back on the dark, although the betrayal on Iroh was heart breaking

"owned" is an understatement but he would be able to hold her off, and although I was yelling at the televsion for Zuko to join the avatar and "fight the good fight" it would change his character dramatically and too many characters have been changed.

well he could hold her off, but still get beatin half to death

yes and that would be the writers purpose, as everyone has the impression that he is a traitor at the moment, i know a few that would like to see the stuffing kicked out of him (although i do not agree with these ppl)

Azula was losing to katara until zuko helped and fought katara.They fought head to head with no clear winner, but azula got owned.Zuko has gotten stronger since they fought azula.He has been training with iroh.

yes about that training with iroh, i remember when he tried to teach zuko how to bend lightning, or whatever they are bending , and he couldn't because of the "turmoil within" would it be possible for iroh to have taugth him how to bend it later on and he is waiting for the right moment to unleash his new power on azula?

whos knows, maybe training with Iroh The Dragon of The West has made him tough, i think i sense an "azula" (scheme) coming up on season 3

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ndnprincess
[342]Dec 1, 2006
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Okay this is my take on the finale. I was at first in shock however when I gather my thoughts I try to comfort my senses by rethinking the entire show and how I felt about the paths Aang and Zuko took. I was happy when Sokka met up with his father and that Aang was going??master the Avatar State. I know some people thought those scenes with the guru were too long but I thought they were interesting. I think this should have been a two hour movie instead of one hour. Next I was getting mad at the Earth King wanting him to shut up about the plans to invade the Fire Nation. I know he didn't realize those girls were from the Fire Nation,??but any King wouldn't just set there and??talk about??war plans just??to anybody. He is really inmature and too young to be the Earth King and by the way does he actually have a real name other then just Earth King???Toph??was the best in this episode I love her!??Katara??was cool too and she was level headed enough to understand Zuko and??to heal??his??scar. Zuko really??made me confuse. I'm still?? Zutara fan because??I think after Iroh and Aang went??inside the cave to save??Zuko and Katara the look they gave each other was I don't intense? I think Zuko weren't have gone the wrong path??if Katara was??able to hear his scar. I really do think Zuko had some sort of jealousy towards the Avatar especially when??Katara run over to hug him after they burst in on them. I really do think Zuko is sorry for going against his uncle however Azula is a very good??manipulater. So??I think the conclusion of this show was the fact Aang didn't fulfill his avatar duties thus bringing bad luck towards the Earth Kingdom and to himself. I mean Katara wasn't in pain to in terrible danger they weren't torturing her.??Aang could have learned??to control the Avatar State go back and defeat Azula and??her crew easily. So basically this is all Aang's fault.??????
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xlA_V_A_T_A_Rlx
[343]Dec 1, 2006
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Zuko****
Sorry I type fast when is thought =D
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CyprisFire

[344]Dec 1, 2006

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PheElyForEva223 wrote:

CyprisFire wrote:

Even with the water from the moon pool, could Katara bring someone back from the Dead?!?? That seems a little too superhuman.??

So is being able to bend earth, air, water and fire...

Well, that seems to be a developable skill in that world, and the big thing is to be able to bend all four at once,?? they make no mention of anyone being able to bend the other representations of chakra.?? It seems a little much that Katara can master Water bending and necromancy

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xlA_V_A_T_A_Rlx
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Zuko***
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jujutheking

[346]Dec 1, 2006

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CrushinOnZuko wrote:

jujutheking wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

You guys think that

Iroh The Dragon of The West can take of Azula

I think iroh would have been able to, a few years ago, but now he is too old, and not willing to play dirty but she is young, and wil lmost definetley cheat

i think i know what your saying, iroh i now a gentle person, no longer a tyrant. I dont know, but im guessing he has great powers

He does have great powers, though I don't think he'd be able to use them, the strain would be too much and then Zuko (who did no treally betray him) would have to take over

Zuko would get owned by azula as we have seen in the past, but i kinda like him back on the dark, although the betrayal on Iroh was heart breaking

well he could hold her off, but still get beatin half to death

Maybe, but he has learn new moves too.I am sure iroh teached him to be a better fire bender.Even if he didn't learn lightning yet.He just helped him become stronger.

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Eman5805
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One thing I was pretty annoyed at was the pretty pathetic way Long Feng was "defeated" I mean the guy Earthbended exactly 4 times in the entire show: captured Appa, "killed" Jet, raised himself up after "killing" jet, and when he tried to attack Appa. And here I thought he was a Master Earthbender...or rather he was just a cowardly Master Earthbender...
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Herbert0
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CyprisFire wrote:

Even with the water from the moon pool, could Katara bring someone back from the Dead?! That seems a little too superhuman.

Maybe the oasis has been touched by aang's spirit... They pulled that in the first season witht he moon spirit.
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dr_critic

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dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

jujutheking wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

CrushinOnZuko wrote:

dr_critic wrote:

You guys think that

Iroh The Dragon of The West can take of Azula

I think iroh would have been able to, a few years ago, but now he is too old, and not willing to play dirty but she is young, and wil lmost definetley cheat

brb, but before i go

i think i know what your saying, iroh i now a gentle person, no longer a tyrant. I dont know, but im guessing he has great powers

He does have great powers, though I don't think he'd be able to use them, the strain would be too much and then Zuko (who did no treally betray him) would have to take over

Zuko would get owned by azula as we have seen in the past, but i kinda like him back on the dark, although the betrayal on Iroh was heart breaking

well he could hold her off, but still get beatin half to death

whos knows, maybe training with Iroh The Dragon of The West has made him tough, i think i sense an "azula" (scheme) coming up on season 3

brb, but before i go

Iroh The Dragon of The West is all powerful and can probably trainin aang in the art of fire bending and fighting, cause we all know he needs it

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PheElyForEva223

[350]Dec 1, 2006

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ndnprincess wrote:

Okay this is my take on the finale. I was at first in shock however when I gather my thoughts I try to comfort my senses by rethinking the entire show and how I felt about the paths Aang and Zuko took. I was happy when Sokka met up with his father and that Aang was going??master the Avatar State. I know some people thought those scenes with the guru were too long but I thought they were interesting. I think this should have been a two hour movie instead of one hour. Next I was getting mad at the Earth King wanting him to shut up about the plans to invade the Fire Nation. I know he didn't realize those girls were from the Fire Nation,??but any King wouldn't just set there and??talk about??war plans just??to anybody. He is really inmature and too young to be the Earth King and by the way does he actually have a real name other then just Earth King???Toph??was the best in this episode I love her!??Katara??was cool too and she was level headed enough to understand Zuko and??to heal??his??scar. Zuko really??made me confuse. I'm still?? Zutara fan because??I think after Iroh and Aang went??inside the cave to save??Zuko and Katara the look they gave each other was I don't intense? I think Zuko weren't have gone the wrong path??if Katara was??able to hear his scar. I really do think Zuko had some sort of jealousy towards the Avatar especially when??Katara run over to hug him after they burst in on them. I really do think Zuko is sorry for going against his uncle however Azula is a very good??manipulater. So??I think the conclusion of this show was the fact Aang didn't fulfill his avatar duties thus bringing bad luck towards the Earth Kingdom and to himself. I mean Katara wasn't in pain to in terrible danger they weren't torturing her.??Aang could have learned??to control the Avatar State go back and defeat Azula and??her crew easily. So basically this is all Aang's fault.??????

I don't believe it's??Aang's fault at all. Aang's in love with Katara. Naturally when you see someone you love in trouble, you will drop everything and??run. It's instinct. Of course he could've handled it better. Like, he didn't have to??choose that particular moment to unlock the last chukra??(sorry don't know how to spell it). But??desperate times call for desperate measures, and Aang's still young, and he's still learning.??

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CyprisFire

[351]Dec 1, 2006

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ndnprincess wrote:

Okay this is my take on the finale. I was at first in shock however when I gather my thoughts I try to comfort my senses by rethinking the entire show and how I felt about the paths Aang and Zuko took. I was happy when Sokka met up with his father and that Aang was going master the Avatar State. I know some people thought those scenes with the guru were too long but I thought they were interesting. I think this should have been a two hour movie instead of one hour. Next I was getting mad at the Earth King wanting him to shut up about the plans to invade the Fire Nation. I know he didn't realize those girls were from the Fire Nation, but any King wouldn't just set there and talk about war plans just to anybody. He is really inmature and too young to be the Earth King and by the way does he actually have a real name other then just Earth King? Toph was the best in this episode I love her! Katara was cool too and she was level headed enough to understand Zuko and to heal his scar. Zuko really made me confuse. I'm still?? Zutara fan because I think after Iroh and Aang went inside the cave to save Zuko and Katara the look they gave each other was I don't intense? I think Zuko weren't have gone the wrong path if Katara was able to hear his scar. I really do think Zuko had some sort of jealousy towards the Avatar especially when Katara run over to hug him after they burst in on them. I really do think Zuko is sorry for going against his uncle however Azula is a very good manipulater. So I think the conclusion of this show was the fact Aang didn't fulfill his avatar duties thus bringing bad luck towards the Earth Kingdom and to himself. I mean Katara wasn't in pain to in terrible danger they weren't torturing her. Aang could have learned to control the Avatar State go back and defeat Azula and her crew easily. So basically this is all Aang's fault.????

Yea, it was intense, I think theyve realised that they are kindred spirits.?? Zuko is very confused, its like he is a wildcard now. Not predictable, and dangerous.

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saukijen
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yeah, well he never was a "player" man that cracked me up.??
He just knew that Azula was much stronger than he was
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Kage_za_Samurai
[353]Dec 1, 2006
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I am going nuts, I really hope SOMONE uploads this episode soon and fast!!
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CrushinOnZuko
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[QUOTE="ndnprincess"]Okay this is my take on the finale. I was at first in shock however when I gather my thoughts I try to comfort my senses by rethinking the entire show and how I felt about the paths Aang and Zuko took. I was happy when Sokka met up with his father and that Aang was going??master the Avatar State. I know some people thought those scenes with the guru were too long but I thought they were interesting. I think this should have been a two hour movie instead of one hour. Next I was getting mad at the Earth King wanting him to shut up about the plans to invade the Fire Nation. I know he didn't realize those girls were from the Fire Nation,??but any King wouldn't just set there and??talk about??war plans just??to anybody. He is really inmature and too young to be the Earth King and by the way does he actually have a real name other then just Earth King???Toph??was the best in this episode I love her!??Katara??was cool too and she was level headed enough to understand Zuko and??to heal??his??scar. Zuko really??made me confuse. I'm still?? Zutara fan because??I think after Iroh and Aang went??inside the cave to save??Zuko and Katara the look they gave each other was I don't intense? I think Zuko weren't have gone the wrong path??if Katara was??able to hear his scar. I really do think Zuko had some sort of jealousy towards the Avatar especially when??Katara run over to hug him after they burst in on them. I really do think Zuko is sorry for going against his uncle however Azula is a very good??manipulater. So??I think the conclusion of this show was the fact Aang didn't fulfill his avatar duties thus bringing bad luck towards the Earth Kingdom and to himself. I mean Katara wasn't in pain to in terrible danger they weren't torturing her.??Aang could have learned??to control the Avatar State go back and defeat Azula and??her crew easily. So basically this is all Aang's fault.??????[/QUOTE/)
I agree so much with you on the fact that the earth king is a dumbass when they were trying to get his help, i was like why are you asking him? he doesn't know??Sh*t then those generals walked in and i was like Finally someone who can really help! but thats all over with now
Edited on 12/01/2006 8:49pm
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ndnprincess
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You know at first I thought Long Fang was defeat but he is like Azula very tricky. So you never know who might out trick each other.
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jujutheking

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Eman5805 wrote:

One thing I was pretty annoyed at was the pretty pathetic way Long Feng was "defeated" I mean the guy Earthbended exactly 4 times in the entire show: captured Appa, "killed" Jet, raised himself up after "killing" jet, and when he tried to attack Appa. And here I thought he was a Master Earthbender...or rather he was just a cowardly Master Earthbender...

Who says jet is dead???????Jet is too cool to be dead.Anyways?? long feng is a *****.He just hace people working for him do all the work.

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kingdom707
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i am really getting tired of people saying that aang can't fight. he can fight but he just doesn't want to. he is afraid he will lose control and hurt innocent people or hurt the people he loves.
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CyprisFire

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PheElyForEva223 wrote:

ndnprincess wrote:

Okay this is my take on the finale. I was at first in shock however when I gather my thoughts I try to comfort my senses by rethinking the entire show and how I felt about the paths Aang and Zuko took. I was happy when Sokka met up with his father and that Aang was going master the Avatar State. I know some people thought those scenes with the guru were too long but I thought they were interesting. I think this should have been a two hour movie instead of one hour. Next I was getting mad at the Earth King wanting him to shut up about the plans to invade the Fire Nation. I know he didn't realize those girls were from the Fire Nation, but any King wouldn't just set there and talk about war plans just to anybody. He is really inmature and too young to be the Earth King and by the way does he actually have a real name other then just Earth King? Toph was the best in this episode I love her! Katara was cool too and she was level headed enough to understand Zuko and to heal his scar. Zuko really made me confuse. I'm still Zutara fan because I think after Iroh and Aang went inside the cave to save Zuko and Katara the look they gave each other was I don't intense? I think Zuko weren't have gone the wrong path if Katara was able to hear his scar. I really do think Zuko had some sort of jealousy towards the Avatar especially when Katara run over to hug him after they burst in on them. I really do think Zuko is sorry for going against his uncle however Azula is a very good manipulater. So I think the conclusion of this show was the fact Aang didn't fulfill his avatar duties thus bringing bad luck towards the Earth Kingdom and to himself. I mean Katara wasn't in pain to in terrible danger they weren't torturing her. Aang could have learned to control the Avatar State go back and defeat Azula and her crew easily. So basically this is all Aang's fault.

I don't believe it's Aang's fault at all. Aang's in love with Katara. Naturally when you see someone you love in trouble, you will drop everything and run. It's instinct. Of course he could've handled it better. Like, he didn't have to choose that particular moment to unlock the last chukra (sorry don't know how to spell it). But desperate times call for desperate measures, and Aang's still young, and he's still learning.

?? That was the EXACT reason the Guru told him to let go of his love.?? It gets in the way of being the avatar.?? He cant afford to run on instinct.

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The episode really showed how well Aang can earthbend...(along with The Earth King episode)..kind of weird how fast he can learn to bend...I just hope they don't end it so soon...I mean overall its a great show with many plots and season finales like this one that end in cliffhangers but idk I hope it has more seasons..I mean how can he defeat the Fire Lord so quickly..he can't even master the avatar state without having second thoughts..like he said he didn't want to be the avatar so I hope it takes more time for him to get the courage to defeat the Fire Lord.
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saukijen
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ndnprincess wrote:Okay this is my take on the finale. I was at first in shock however when I gather my thoughts I try to comfort my senses by rethinking the entire show and how I felt about the paths Aang and Zuko took. I was happy when Sokka met up with his father and that Aang was going master the Avatar State. I know some people thought those scenes with the guru were too long but I thought they were interesting. I think this should have been a two hour movie instead of one hour. Next I was getting mad at the Earth King wanting him to shut up about the plans to invade the Fire Nation. I know he didn't realize those girls were from the Fire Nation, but any King wouldn't just set there and talk about war plans just to anybody. He is really inmature and too young to be the Earth King and by the way does he actually have a real name other then just Earth King? Toph was the best in this episode I love her! Katara was cool too and she was level headed enough to understand Zuko and to heal his scar. Zuko really made me confuse. I'm still?? Zutara fan because I think after Iroh and Aang went inside the cave to save Zuko and Katara the look they gave each other was I don't intense? I think Zuko weren't have gone the wrong path if Katara was able to hear his scar. I really do think Zuko had some sort of jealousy towards the Avatar especially when Katara run over to hug him after they burst in on them. I really do think Zuko is sorry for going against his uncle however Azula is a very good manipulater. So I think the conclusion of this show was the fact Aang didn't fulfill his avatar duties thus bringing bad luck towards the Earth Kingdom and to himself. I mean Katara wasn't in pain to in terrible danger they weren't torturing her. Aang could have learned to control the Avatar State go back and defeat Azula and her crew easily. So basically this is all Aang's fault.????

Yea, it was intense, I think theyve realised that they are kindred spirits.?? Zuko is very confused, its like he is a wildcard now. Not predictable, and dangerous.
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