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Official Discussion: The Guru/The Crossroads of Destiny (12/1 - Spoilers)

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    whiteforest

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    PheElyForEva223 wrote:

    Virtualize wrote:
    whiteforest wrote:
    PheElyForEva223 wrote:
    The full episode's already on turbonick. In fact, I'm watching it right now.
    What, are you serious? Where is it?
    my thoughts exactly! i can't seem to locate this said video. :/

    The link to turbonick is here: http://www.nick.com/turbonick/ and if you go to the channel on the left-hand side that says Buzz and then click on the bubble of Aang (underneath the one that says Extra Scoop) You'll find it, it's the first two episodes on the list. Sorry if my directons aren't clear.

    Found it, thanks a bunch!
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    CrushinOnZuko

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    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:

    You guys think that

    Iroh The Dragon of The West can take of Azula
    I think iroh would have been able to, a few years ago, but now he is too old, and not willing to play dirty but she is young, and wil lmost definetley cheat

    i think i know what your saying, iroh i now a gentle person, no longer a tyrant. I dont know, but im guessing he has great powers
    He does have great powers, though I don't think he'd be able to use them, the strain would be too much and then Zuko (who did no treally betray him) would have to take over

    Zuko would get owned by azula as we have seen in the past, but i kinda like him back on the dark, although the betrayal on Iroh was heart breaking


    "owned" is an understatement but he would be able to hold her off, and although I was yelling at the televsion for Zuko to join the avatar and "fight the good fight" it would change his character dramatically and too many characters have been changed.


    well he could hold her off, but still get beatin half to death


    yes and that would be the writers purpose, as everyone has the impression that he is a traitor at the moment, i know a few that would like to see the stuffing kicked out of him (although i do not agree with these ppl)
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    CyprisFire

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    PheElyForEva223 wrote:

    CyprisFire wrote:
    Well, That show toyed with my emotions!!

    there are too many cliffhangers to count!!

    I think Aang was not killed, just mortally wounded.?? Iroh took a bolt to the heart and he survived. However the fall probably would have snapped his neck since he fell headfirst, thats why Katara dropped everything and caught him.

    Aang gave up his love for Katara. He gave up everything.in his heart to be able to save her.?? It was very heroic, but I'm not sure he will love her next season. I wonder if Aang will be the same happy person next season at all.?? If you compare him to the previous avatars, they were very stoic at the end of their training. Now that he has opened them all, he will be different.?? He renounced his love for Katara because no hero can have a lover, it makes them vunerable to their enemies.?? Kataang may have ended.

    Zuko has changed, he knows what he is doing is wrong, he knows Azula isnt telling him the truth. "Azula always Lies. Azula always Lies.?? Azula always Lies." I think he and Iroh figured that she would turn him in as a prisoner when she returned to the Fire Continent.?? After all, thats why she was sent out in the first place.?? I bet they are waiting for the oppertune momment, that will redeem him, and maybe put Zutara back in the possibilities.?? But more importantly, Zuko says he has changed.?? He seemed so torn at the end, like, he was worried it wouldnt work, its very hard to trick his sister.

    Suki and Jet are likely both dead, I dont think Azula would have let them live after chasing away Appa, the perfect bait for the avatar.?? Jet Seemed like he could have survived, but as time wears on, and he dosent appear . . .

    Next, the group will have to stop acting like recruters and organisers and start working as a small squad to infiltrate and destroy, like Azula.?? I wonder what theyre going to do with the earth king??? He seems like a added liability to me.

    I agree with everything, except the Zutara thing. Right now, things aren't looking so hot between them, especially after he betrayed Katara and his uncle and almost killed Aang (well Azula did, but he didn't try to stop her) I don't think Katara will just let that go. I really hope Suki didn't die, but I think the odds are against her surviving (I don't really care about Jet). I don't know if Aang completely gave up his love for Katara, because he got shocked while in the Avatar State, but I guess we'll find out.


    Well it seams like though theyve knocked both pairings down a LOT, theyre both possible.?? In all fairness, Aang loves Katara enough to let her go to keep her safe, and she dosent seem that interested in him, just giving him 'friend' attention.

    If Zuko can make up for his mistakes, perhaps by betraying Azula, or saving them in a pinch, she might forgive him.?? They do have a lot in common, (including age) and opposites attract.
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    carmellaina

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    PheElyForEva223 wrote:
    The full episode's already on turbonick. In fact, I'm watching it right now.

    could u possibly give the url?
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    dr_critic

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    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    Bandage2 wrote:

    anyone who says iroh took lightning in the heart, watch the episode again, and watch every lightning in all episodes.

    First off, lightning takes AT LEAST 4 seconds of preparation to pull off, I bet when azula saw aang come out of that crystal she stated "pumping it up". When she nailed Iroh, it was instant, it was blue, and most of all he started flaming. Aang got destroyed, he was totally electricuted for a good 2 seconds. Stop saying he was mortally wounded, HE DIED. Even tho it's lame, notice all the references to Roku telling Aang if he died in the avatar state the cycle would be broken. GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? now, we're not sure the cycle is broken, I cretainly hope it's not... but there was DEFINITELY a reason for that "rule of the avatar state"
    thank you! I keep trying to tell ppl that he was not "wounded" that he did in fact die, and finally someone is on my level.

    i agree with that theory. Aang cannot die or else the series would be over. but they avatr state that he was in died, and it seems reasonable too. Because if i kno tv, then the writers are gonna plan a big comeback of the avatar state during the final episodes or maybe just when the comit hits and makes the fire lord all powerful

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    jujutheking

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    I can't wait for season 3.King bumi will finally come back.(i hope.
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    vincent_chien7 wrote:
    I'm sure somebody might have brought this up and I'm sorry if this doesn't have to do with what we're talking about, but Katara looks AWESOME with her hair down like that. She should keep it that way.

    LOL yeye shes got some skills when she gets pissed.....put the hair down to look all down and dirty fighting lol..after Azula struck Aang i was hoping Katara would go over there and take her down...but not anymore because I want season 3 to be awesome...which it will be already =D

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    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:

    You guys think that

    Iroh The Dragon of The West can take of Azula
    I think iroh would have been able to, a few years ago, but now he is too old, and not willing to play dirty but she is young, and wil lmost definetley cheat

    i think i know what your saying, iroh i now a gentle person, no longer a tyrant. I dont know, but im guessing he has great powers
    He does have great powers, though I don't think he'd be able to use them, the strain would be too much and then Zuko (who did no treally betray him) would have to take over

    Zuko would get owned by azula as we have seen in the past, but i kinda like him back on the dark, although the betrayal on Iroh was heart breaking
    "owned" is an understatement but he would be able to hold her off, and although I was yelling at the televsion for Zuko to join the avatar and "fight the good fight" it would change his character dramatically and too many characters have been changed.
    well he could hold her off, but still get beatin half to death
    yes and that would be the writers purpose, as everyone has the impression that he is a traitor at the moment, i know a few that would like to see the stuffing kicked out of him (although i do not agree with these ppl)

    Azula was losing to katara until zuko helped and fought katara.They fought head to head with no clear winner, but azula got owned.Zuko has gotten stronger since they fought azula.He has been training with iroh.

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    PheElyForEva223

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    CyprisFire wrote:
    PheElyForEva223 wrote:

    CyprisFire wrote:
    Well, That show toyed with my emotions!!

    there are too many cliffhangers to count!!

    I think Aang was not killed, just mortally wounded.?? Iroh took a bolt to the heart and he survived. However the fall probably would have snapped his neck since he fell headfirst, thats why Katara dropped everything and caught him.

    Aang gave up his love for Katara. He gave up everything.in his heart to be able to save her.?? It was very heroic, but I'm not sure he will love her next season. I wonder if Aang will be the same happy person next season at all.?? If you compare him to the previous avatars, they were very stoic at the end of their training. Now that he has opened them all, he will be different.?? He renounced his love for Katara because no hero can have a lover, it makes them vunerable to their enemies.?? Kataang may have ended.

    Zuko has changed, he knows what he is doing is wrong, he knows Azula isnt telling him the truth. "Azula always Lies. Azula always Lies.?? Azula always Lies." I think he and Iroh figured that she would turn him in as a prisoner when she returned to the Fire Continent.?? After all, thats why she was sent out in the first place.?? I bet they are waiting for the oppertune momment, that will redeem him, and maybe put Zutara back in the possibilities.?? But more importantly, Zuko says he has changed.?? He seemed so torn at the end, like, he was worried it wouldnt work, its very hard to trick his sister.

    Suki and Jet are likely both dead, I dont think Azula would have let them live after chasing away Appa, the perfect bait for the avatar.?? Jet Seemed like he could have survived, but as time wears on, and he dosent appear . . .

    Next, the group will have to stop acting like recruters and organisers and start working as a small squad to infiltrate and destroy, like Azula.?? I wonder what theyre going to do with the earth king??? He seems like a added liability to me.

    I agree with everything, except the Zutara thing. Right now, things aren't looking so hot between them, especially after he betrayed Katara and his uncle and almost killed Aang (well Azula did, but he didn't try to stop her) I don't think Katara will just let that go. I really hope Suki didn't die, but I think the odds are against her surviving (I don't really care about Jet). I don't know if Aang completely gave up his love for Katara, because he got shocked while in the Avatar State, but I guess we'll find out.


    Well it seams like though theyve knocked both pairings down a LOT, theyre both possible.?? In all fairness, Aang loves Katara enough to let her go to keep her safe, and she dosent seem that interested in him, just giving him 'friend' attention.

    If Zuko can make up for his mistakes, perhaps by betraying Azula, or saving them in a pinch, she might forgive him.?? They do have a lot in common, (including age) and opposites attract.

    I thought Zuko was the same age as Sokka (16) and Katara's 14. Anyway, I'm not as concerned about which pairing's going to stand and which one's going to fall as I am concerned about whether Aang is ok or not, or whether the Avatar Cycle has been broken because of the short amount of time that he was dead, or if Aang has mastered the Avatar State. I'm also upset because the guy who played the voice of Uncle Iroh passed away (It's so sad), and I wonder if they're going to have to kill Iroh, remove him from the show, or get a new voice for him. That's been bugging me since I found out, because Iroh is a very important character.

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    Metathiax

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    Shard2005 wrote:
    Tessa-san wrote:
    Shard2005 wrote:
    7 chakra gates? wasn't opening all them dangerous? Does anyone remember Rock Lee from Naruto? He does that sort of thing, and is practically unstoppable. But it cost him dearly...

    Not the same, friend. I was reminded too, though. Besides, there were 8 gates in Naruto.
    Speaking of Naruto. If Zuko really did do what they show he did, and there's no underlying plot. I'll do to him, what Tsunade did to Orochimaru. I will beat the LIVING CRAP OUT OF HIM!!!!!


    The "chakra's" as represented in avatar are far different the the "chakra gates" in naruto.?? the way avatar represents them is actually far closer to how they are believed to function by buddhists where as naruto kinda took the word and made up whatever fit there idea for a "jutisu power source"?? if your really interesteed I am sure wikipedia has a good article or two on it.
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    CyprisFire

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    Her hair does look better down, So does Sokka's Its like a little extra push.?? Hair down gives a drawing a more expressive quality. So they save that special enhancement for the more emotional momments.
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    carmellaina wrote:
    PheElyForEva223 wrote:
    The full episode's already on turbonick. In fact, I'm watching it right now.
    could u possibly give the url?

    The link to turbonick is here: ??http://www.nick.com/turbonick/??and if you go to the channel on the left-hand??side that says Buzz and then click on the bubble of Aang (underneath the one that says Extra Scoop) You'll find it, it's the first two episodes on the list. Sorry if my directons aren't clear. Hope that helps!

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    dr_critic

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    jujutheking wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:

    You guys think that

    Iroh The Dragon of The West can take of Azula
    I think iroh would have been able to, a few years ago, but now he is too old, and not willing to play dirty but she is young, and wil lmost definetley cheat

    i think i know what your saying, iroh i now a gentle person, no longer a tyrant. I dont know, but im guessing he has great powers
    He does have great powers, though I don't think he'd be able to use them, the strain would be too much and then Zuko (who did no treally betray him) would have to take over

    Zuko would get owned by azula as we have seen in the past, but i kinda like him back on the dark, although the betrayal on Iroh was heart breaking
    "owned" is an understatement but he would be able to hold her off, and although I was yelling at the televsion for Zuko to join the avatar and "fight the good fight" it would change his character dramatically and too many characters have been changed.
    well he could hold her off, but still get beatin half to death
    yes and that would be the writers purpose, as everyone has the impression that he is a traitor at the moment, i know a few that would like to see the stuffing kicked out of him (although i do not agree with these ppl)

    Azula was losing to katara until zuko helped and fought katara.They fought head to head with no clear winner, but azula got owned.Zuko has gotten stronger since they fought azula.He has been training with iroh.

    well, azula was having a real hard time with katara surprisingly, i thought katara would get brutalized.

    Edited on 12/01/2006 8:38pm
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    CrushinOnZuko

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    jujutheking wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:
    CrushinOnZuko wrote:
    dr_critic wrote:

    You guys think that

    Iroh The Dragon of The West can take of Azula
    I think iroh would have been able to, a few years ago, but now he is too old, and not willing to play dirty but she is young, and wil lmost definetley cheat

    i think i know what your saying, iroh i now a gentle person, no longer a tyrant. I dont know, but im guessing he has great powers
    He does have great powers, though I don't think he'd be able to use them, the strain would be too much and then Zuko (who did no treally betray him) would have to take over

    Zuko would get owned by azula as we have seen in the past, but i kinda like him back on the dark, although the betrayal on Iroh was heart breaking
    "owned" is an understatement but he would be able to hold her off, and although I was yelling at the televsion for Zuko to join the avatar and "fight the good fight" it would change his character dramatically and too many characters have been changed.
    well he could hold her off, but still get beatin half to death
    yes and that would be the writers purpose, as everyone has the impression that he is a traitor at the moment, i know a few that would like to see the stuffing kicked out of him (although i do not agree with these ppl)

    Azula was losing to katara until zuko helped and fought katara.They fought head to head with no clear winner, but azula got owned.Zuko has gotten stronger since they fought azula.He has been training with iroh.


    yes about that training with iroh, i remember when he tried to teach zuko how to bend lightning, or whatever they are bending , and he couldn't because of the "turmoil within" would it be possible for iroh to have taugth him how to bend it later on and he is waiting for the right moment to unleash his new power on azula?
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    CyprisFire

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    Even with the water from the moon pool, could Katara bring someone back from the Dead?!?? That seems a little too superhuman. ??
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    PheElyForEva223

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    CyprisFire wrote:
    Even with the water from the moon pool, could Katara bring someone back from the Dead?!?? That seems a little too superhuman. ??

    So is being able to bend earth, air, water and fire...the whole show's based on superhuman powers.

    Edited on 12/01/2006 8:39pm
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    Eman5805

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    CyprisFire wrote:
    Even with the water from the moon pool, could Katara bring someone back from the Dead?!?? That seems a little too superhuman. ??

    Maybe??Aang was dead all the way...probably was right on the brink and COULD have died...but didn't...or maybe he DID actually die and the special properites of the spirit oasis revived the living??incaration of the??spirit of the planet...??

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    PheElyForEva223 wrote:
    CyprisFire wrote:
    PheElyForEva223 wrote:

    CyprisFire wrote:
    Well, That show toyed with my emotions!!

    there are too many cliffhangers to count!!

    I think Aang was not killed, just mortally wounded.?? Iroh took a bolt to the heart and he survived. However the fall probably would have snapped his neck since he fell headfirst, thats why Katara dropped everything and caught him.

    Aang gave up his love for Katara. He gave up everything.in his heart to be able to save her.?? It was very heroic, but I'm not sure he will love her next season. I wonder if Aang will be the same happy person next season at all.?? If you compare him to the previous avatars, they were very stoic at the end of their training. Now that he has opened them all, he will be different.?? He renounced his love for Katara because no hero can have a lover, it makes them vunerable to their enemies.?? Kataang may have ended.

    Zuko has changed, he knows what he is doing is wrong, he knows Azula isnt telling him the truth. "Azula always Lies. Azula always Lies.?? Azula always Lies." I think he and Iroh figured that she would turn him in as a prisoner when she returned to the Fire Continent.?? After all, thats why she was sent out in the first place.?? I bet they are waiting for the oppertune momment, that will redeem him, and maybe put Zutara back in the possibilities.?? But more importantly, Zuko says he has changed.?? He seemed so torn at the end, like, he was worried it wouldnt work, its very hard to trick his sister.

    Suki and Jet are likely both dead, I dont think Azula would have let them live after chasing away Appa, the perfect bait for the avatar.?? Jet Seemed like he could have survived, but as time wears on, and he dosent appear . . .

    Next, the group will have to stop acting like recruters and organisers and start working as a small squad to infiltrate and destroy, like Azula.?? I wonder what theyre going to do with the earth king??? He seems like a added liability to me.

    I agree with everything, except the Zutara thing. Right now, things aren't looking so hot between them, especially after he betrayed Katara and his uncle and almost killed Aang (well Azula did, but he didn't try to stop her) I don't think Katara will just let that go. I really hope Suki didn't die, but I think the odds are against her surviving (I don't really care about Jet). I don't know if Aang completely gave up his love for Katara, because he got shocked while in the Avatar State, but I guess we'll find out.


    Well it seams like though theyve knocked both pairings down a LOT, theyre both possible.?? In all fairness, Aang loves Katara enough to let her go to keep her safe, and she dosent seem that interested in him, just giving him 'friend' attention.

    If Zuko can make up for his mistakes, perhaps by betraying Azula, or saving them in a pinch, she might forgive him.?? They do have a lot in common, (including age) and opposites attract.

    I thought Zuko was the same age as Sokka (16) and Katara's 14. Anyway, I'm not as concerned about which pairing's going to stand and which one's going to fall as I am concerned about whether Aang is ok or not, or whether the Avatar Cycle has been broken because of the short amount of time that he was dead, or if Aang has mastered the Avatar State. I'm also upset because the guy who played the voice of Uncle Iroh passed away (It's so sad), and I wonder if they're going to have to kill Iroh, remove him from the show, or get a new voice for him. That's been bugging me since I found out, because Iroh is a very important character.

    Even if they kill Iroh off..they need an actor for AT LEAST the 1st episode of season 3 and have him killed in a fight...in which he will have to say something...either way they need a voice actor because they can't just have him killed and have like Zuku be like "I can't belive you killed Iroh"...well then again they can but I would be upset then cuz thats stupid

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    CrushinOnZuko

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    CyprisFire wrote:
    Even with the water from the moon pool, could Katara bring someone back from the Dead?!?? That seems a little too superhuman. ??


    this is a cartoon terms such as "super human" are unkown to them everyone is superhuman.
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    MCMLXVI

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    The only way I know about chakras is from My Dad The Rock Star, where the mom is groovy enough to be familiar. The guru's lesson to Aang makes sense, but, chances are, I can't extrapolate "real life" chakras's understanding.
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