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Official Character Relationship Discussion 4

Sokka ship?

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    Murellus

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    Nothing turns me on more than watching two severed heads doing the nasty.
    It's a new form of porno: Skullrotica.

    Currently, Zuko and Katara's heads are the hottest pair. Aunt Wu and the guru are a close second.

    You and your icon give me the reason why I should still ship Kataang when I was just retiring from shipping a week ago.

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    bendthisfire

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    maximusgh wrote:
    Look I dont Care if Aang ends up with Katara or that girl form the Academy or whatever! I just want him to have someone special.


    And that is what he deserves.
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    GLM-2P

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    Murellus wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    Nothing turns me on more than watching two severed heads doing the nasty.
    It's a new form of porno: Skullrotica.

    Currently, Zuko and Katara's heads are the hottest pair. Aunt Wu and the guru are a close second.

    You and your icon give me the reason why I should still ship Kataang when I was just retiring from shipping a week ago.

    yeah, it's very suggestive
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    momothelemur

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    Murellus wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    Nothing turns me on more than watching two severed heads doing the nasty.
    It's a new form of porno: Skullrotica.

    Currently, Zuko and Katara's heads are the hottest pair. Aunt Wu and the guru are a close second.

    You and your icon give me the reason why I should still ship Kataang when I was just retiring from shipping a week ago.

    Why would an icon make you change ships? (although granted, that is one disturbing icon)

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    tvcrazy12

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    Wiselad, I think you aren't giving the comet enough credit. If AS Aang is that much better than CP Ozai, the impending comet means nothing. Roku would have just told Aang that he needs to master the AS as soon as possible so Ozai couldn't hurt others.

    no, roku still would've said that. to quote iroh, "it's the combination of all 4 elements in one person that makes the avatar so powerful." and really, who wants to see a fight between super-powered aang and ozai. we all know aang would win. it'd be much more interesting to see aang bending.
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    Spike815

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    Yeah, Aang in the Avatar State would be able to take down comet powered Ozai no problem.

    All of Aang's bending is boosted by the Avatar State, plus his firebending would be doubly boosted by the comet. Seems like an easy victory.
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    music4life17

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    Spike815 wrote:
    Yeah, Aang in the Avatar State would be able to take down comet powered Ozai no problem. All of Aang's bending is boosted by the Avatar State, plus his firebending would be doubly boosted by the comet. Seems like an easy victory.

    It sounds almost too easy. No doubt there will be some more problems to contend with in the final battle. Nevertheless, the finale shall be (and better be) epic!

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    wiseone_777

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    music4life17 wrote:

    Spike815 wrote:
    Yeah, Aang in the Avatar State would be able to take down comet powered Ozai no problem. All of Aang's bending is boosted by the Avatar State, plus his firebending would be doubly boosted by the comet. Seems like an easy victory.

    It sounds almost too easy. No doubt there will be some more problems to contend with in the final battle. Nevertheless, the finale shall be (and better be) epic!

    Azula, the fire nation army, and, oh yes, the Dai Lee.
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    Spacerac

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    Before I begin, Spacerac, do you like my new avatar?
    I find it hilarious. Because in the Avatarverse, disembodied or otherwise, it'll never happen in a million years.
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    Murellus

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    momothelemur wrote:
    Murellus wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    Nothing turns me on more than watching two severed heads doing the nasty.
    It's a new form of porno: Skullrotica.

    Currently, Zuko and Katara's heads are the hottest pair. Aunt Wu and the guru are a close second.

    You and your icon give me the reason why I should still ship Kataang when I was just retiring from shipping a week ago.

    Why would an icon make you change ships? (although granted, that is one disturbing icon)

    I am against the abuse of Zutara.

    For the record, last week I became an anti-shipper until Daveshan came

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    Spacerac

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    Me
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    wiseone_777 wrote:
    Proof that Zutara is going to happen? All I see is "proof"(notice the quotes) that Kataang won't happen.

    Mike and Bryan have said that Katara will either end up with Zuko or Aang*. This means that saying that she will not pick Aang is proof that she will be with Zuzu.

    *I'm going by what a lot of people on the board have said. Since they have no reason to lie about this, I trust them.

    Spacerac wrote:
    When I said friends first, I was saying that at least some people have to be friends first, and I'll add that a lot of the lasting relationships have a transition from friends to more.
    That's when people are friends for a short time before they go to the relationship phase. It's a small transition phase to get a sample of what kind of person they are.

    And that's precisely why it's going to be Kataang in the end. They've been together all this time, they really know each other and they have a deep, spiritual bond. Before you say she didn't talk to Aang about her mom dying like she did with Zuko, she did in The Southern Air Temple when Aang went into the Avatar State. In fact, her telling Zuko about her mom dying wasn't so much her talking about her feelings as it was venting her blind rage on the Fire Nation.

    Spacerac wrote:
    He let her touch his scar because she said she could heal it, and also because they were actually getting along. He didn't know Song for anything and I don't recall Jin ever trying to touch Zuko's scar.
    I meant that the scar itself is a big deal for him. He hates when people talk about it. Letting her touch it was a huge deal, heal or no heal.

    Still doesn't equal romance.

    Spacerac wrote:
    "But hey, for Aang, it's just friendship." It might be just friendship now, but we'll still have to see in the next few episodes. IMO I really don't think that Katara and Aang being hinted at so much over the course of the show will just get torn down like that. (I mean real hints.)
    In my opinion, if there is even a tenth of the amount of time needed to go from the friend zone to a boyfriend, there are way more than enough episodes for a person a girl hates to become her boyfriend.

    To each his own, but Katara did threaten to exterminate Zuko, after all.

    Spacerac wrote:
    For all we know, all the romantic stuff between Aang and Katara happened off screen and won't be shown until the finale (borrowing from WiseLad).
    I will remember this statement and, because of it, I never want to hear you talking about straw-clutching ever again.

    Speculation isn't straw-clutching. As for noting actual straw clutching, I calls it as I sees it.

    Spacerac wrote:
    I also think that since Aang and Zuko's stories parallel, they also have their own respective love interests. There has been nothing as of yet that shows Zuko broke up with Mai, which would free him up for Zutara if Katara doesn't kill him first.
    For now, I have nothing to counter this. As I have said before, that fate of Zuko and Mai's relationship will be definitively answered during BR. However, I believe that it's going to be a break up because the sketch doesn't show them too happy too see each other.

    I figured Maiko would fall, but you never know until you see. I always though Zuko and Toph would end up single.

    Spacerac wrote:
    "it's harder to go from a good friend to a boyfriend then it is to go from a hated enemy to a boyfriend." subjective opinion.
    And so is the argument that there aren't enough episodes left for Zuko and Katara to become more than friends.

    Spacerac wrote:
    Also, Zuko was a considerable distance away from Aang when he snapped at him, and plus he couldn't firebend anyway.
    So, what, her threat towards him at the end of WAT should have gone:

    ...You make one step backward, one slip up, give me one reason to think you might hurt Aang, and you won't have to worry about your destiny anymore. Because I'll make sure your destiny ends, right then and there. Permanently! Provided that you are within 3 feet of him at the time and/or can still firebend. If one or both of those things don't hold true, feel free to threaten him.

    By your logic, Zuko yelling at Aang is reason enough for Katara to kill him. ?

    Spacerac wrote:
    Katara has acted motherly toward Aang in the past, but Aang gets the least of it. After reading a couple of Kataang essays (I bet some Zutarians don't read all of Kataang essays because they think they're stupid and vice-versa) you could probably also view Katara as actually looking up to Aang, while occasionally getting frustrated with him.
    Meh, I don't read any of the essays, one side or the other. I know why Zuko and Katara are going to be together and I hear all of the same arguments here that I get everywhere else. If there's one that you really want me to read, though, post the link and I'll look at it.

    Well, I guess you could read this analysis of shipping. I've only read ship essays when I was bored, though.

    Spacerac wrote:
    I also think that her being motherly included ZUKO in their "Oh let me heal you and make it all better" moment.
    So is this an argument for or against the statement that she, subconsciously, thinks of herself as Aang's mother?

    Where does it suggest she thinks of herself as Aang's mother? She just cares about people and wants to fix everything! Jet is the only boy in the show that she's been explicitly shown to like where thus far, it's only hinted that she likes Aang back and explicitly shown that she hates Zuko.

    Spacerac wrote:
    "1. It's for the fate of the world. The guru would have said "Aang, it's just for while you are in the AS. After that, you can have your attachment again." Bet it turns out to be something Aang had to learn on his own? Therefore making him a stronger Avatar?
    *sigh again* See where it says "It's for the fate of the world"? That was specifically to answer the "he has to learn it on his own" argument before it happened. It'd be one thing if Aang just had his own little foe to battle. Then I could see the "learn it on his own" argument having some merit, but people are dying all over. I'm no guru, but if I had a student who was in that situation, I would be ok with bending the rules.

    The Guru indirectly stated that letting go=/= not allowed to love. Since he never said "Aang you can't love the girl or get married to her" after all.

    Spacerac wrote:
    And Roku could still go in the Avatar State AFTER he got married, meaning that the marriage was definitely an attachment he had to let go of. Therefore, Aang will be a fully realized Avatar and still be able to be with Katara and repopulate the airbenders. (repopulize isn't a word, I learned something new.)
    It's what attaches you the most to this world. Not what attaches you at all. His wife obviously wasn't more attachment-worthy (you know what I'm trying to say) than whatever he had to give up. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE HAD TO GIVE UP! As for airbenders, he could train people to be airbenders.

    Avatar_spiritnet_transcript wrote:
    [Guru Pathik: The Thought chakra is located at the crown of the head. It deals with pure cosmic energy and is blocked by earthly attachment. Meditate on what attaches you to this world.
    My insertion: It says most, where? back to show:

    (In Aang's mind, we see Katara practicing graceful waterbending moves, then leaning against a tree in an alluring pose. As Pathik begins to speak again, she is sitting face to face with Aang. Their lips move closer, mimicking the scene from the Cave of Two Lovers.)

    Guru Pathik: Now, let all of those attachments go. Let them flow down the river. Forgotten.
    Seems to say here that Avatars have more than one attachment they have to let go of. And again, the guru never once said "You can't love Katara." He said "Learn to let her go." This is the thought chakra, so that means, stop thinking about Katara all the time. And also, Aang didmaster the Avatar State by letting go of Katara and he can do it again if he has to. Ba Sing Se's fall was not because Aang didn't master his chakras, because he did. It was because Azula interrupted the process and disrupted the Avatar State. Therefore, the Avatar State is not a hindrance to Aang's future with Katara.
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    Valin610

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    Something you forgot to mention in the last section of your quote space is that it takes YEARS to actually master the Avatar state. Take for example when Roku explains the avatar state to Aang in 201; he explains the flash in the eyes when they activate the state. That's what Aang had not mastered yet, so the time of his vulnerability is longer than the previous Avatars due to the fact that he has not trained in self-activating the avatar state. So the arguement that "Aang couldn't let Katara go." means nothing because he DID let her go, but the lack of mastering the state was the problem.
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    Spacerac, buddy, good to see you are back, glad to see that you like my avatar, and it's very good to see someone ask questions that I haven't answerd 500+ times already.

    Ok, as for the key for this post:

    =Spacerac

    +Me

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    = And that's precisely why it's going to be Kataang in the end. They've been together all this time, they really know each other and they have a deep, spiritual bond. Before you say she didn't talk to Aang about her mom dying like she did with Zuko, she did in The Southern Air Temple when Aang went into the Avatar State. In fact, her telling Zuko about her mom dying wasn't so much her talking about her feelings as it was venting her blind rage on the Fire Nation.

    +First, I never used the, "she never talked about her mom to him" argument, because she did in episode 1. What I have thought about (although never actually used) is that between her four men (Aang, Haru, Jet, and Zuko) Aang was the only one that didn't relate back to her when she told him. Granted, he didn't know what had happened in the past 100 years, but even after he did find out, they've never sat down and talked about how they both lost people they loved.

    As for the relationship, it still changes the relationship formula of the show. When one person has romantic feelings for the other, it's expressed and either returned or rejected in that episode.

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    = (touching the scar) Still doesn't equal romance.

    +Never said it did. I said it means he holds her in higher regards than others.

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    =To each his own, but Katara did threaten to exterminate Zuko, after all.

    +Ok, so as long as there's a fifth of the time.

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    =Speculation isn't straw-clutching. As for noting actual straw clutching, I calls it as I sees it.

    +No, your not calling things as you see them. You said "For all we know, all the romantic stuff between Aang and Katara happened off screen and won't be shown until the finale". You are calling what you said that you didn't see. That's not just straw-clutching, that's making stuff up.

    By your logic, I could say that, off screen, Zuko and Katara are doing the horizontal happy dance and laughing about how much everyone is buying Katara's pretending to hate him act.

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    = By your logic, Zuko yelling at Aang is reason enough for Katara to kill him. ?

    +No, but everyone else was telling me that Zuko yelling at Aang when he was failing to fire bend didn't count because Katara wasn't there.

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    +I'll get back to you about that essay.

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    =Where does it suggest she thinks of herself as Aang's mother? She just cares about people and wants to fix everything! Jet is the only boy in the show that she's been explicitly shown to like where thus far, it's only hinted that she likes Aang back and explicitly shown that she hates Zuko.

    +It doesn't show that anywhere, it also doesn't show that she doesn't. That's why I was confused as to why you were using that as a counter to the "motherly" argument.

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    =The Guru indirectly stated that letting go=/= not allowed to love. Since he never said "Aang you can't love the girl or get married to her" after all.

    +No, but he did say, "...Now, let all of those attachments go. Let them flow down the river, forgotten." He specifically uses "forgotten". Not "push it into the back of your mind", not "ignore it for now", and not "put it someplace where it won't get in your way, but you can still access it when you are out of the AS." He says "forgotten".

    So, unless a past avatar (the only ones who would have more knowledge of the AS than the guru) says "Aang, that part is wrong. You can still have her once you are out of the AS." There's no reason to think that he can still have that attachment to Katara.

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    =Seems to say here that Avatars have more than one attachment they have to let go of. And again, the guru never once said "You can't love Katara." He said "Learn to let her go." This is the thought chakra, so that means, stop thinking about Katara all the time. And also, Aang didmaster the Avatar State by letting go of Katara and he can do it again if he has to. Ba Sing Se's fall was not because Aang didn't master his chakras, because he did. It was because Azula interrupted the process and disrupted the Avatar State. Therefore, the Avatar State is not a hindrance to Aang's future with Katara.

    + So the guru didn't know that Aang only had one big attachment to the world. And it is only one, since he started going into the AS in Ba Sing Se after letting her go and nothing else.

    As for the second part, I think that I've told you this: He only started to go into the AS, but never completed it. He got more or less as far as he did when he was with the guru and saw that vision of Katara.

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    Spacerac

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    ever seen a manip, oh boy. This probably goes in the other thread though.
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    Dave would never LET GO (at least until it is shown in the series) that "Aang has to GIVE UP COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY KATARA in order to go AVATAR STATE", it is his "avatar series attachment" about the "Aang and Kat MIGHT BE REVEALED to have been talking between shown scenes"; it is not about speculation of the series, it is about doors Bryke might use to explain Kataang(if they decide to go with it)later on, not revealed RIGHT NOW so that the Kataang-Zutara speculation will continue as long as possible

    and Dave's premise that "By your logic, I could say that, off screen, Zuko and Katara are doing the horizontal happy dance and laughing about how much everyone is buying Katara's pretending to hate him act." is truncated by the fact that when Kat threaten to kill him, it was JUST HIM AND HER, why would they "pretend" when no one is there?
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    tomtitan

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    y'know, kataang has its own theme tune. the track team guys confirmed it in an interview. it's the cave of two lovers music.
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    Spacerac

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    WiseLad wrote:

    and Dave's premise that "By your logic, I could say that, off screen, Zuko and Katara are doing the horizontal happy dance and laughing about how much everyone is buying Katara's pretending to hate him act." is truncated by the fact that when Kat threaten to kill him, it was JUST HIM AND HER, why would they "pretend" when no one is there?
    you know I was gonig to refute that but I decided to drop that one because that one was going nowhere.
    tomtitan wrote:
    y'know, kataang has its own theme tune. the track team guys confirmed it in an interview. it's the cave of two lovers music.
    I knew it all the time. They always introduce love themes for couples, like Iroh singing "Four Seasons" became Sokka and Yue's. Some crazy!Zutarians think the music in the Zutara cave and Kataang's is the same though.
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    tomtitan

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    Spacerac wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:

    and Dave's premise that "By your logic, I could say that, off screen, Zuko and Katara are doing the horizontal happy dance and laughing about how much everyone is buying Katara's pretending to hate him act." is truncated by the fact that when Kat threaten to kill him, it was JUST HIM AND HER, why would they "pretend" when no one is there?
    you know I was gonig to refute that but I decided to drop that one because that one was going nowhere.
    tomtitan wrote:
    y'know, kataang has its own theme tune. the track team guys confirmed it in an interview. it's the cave of two lovers music.
    I knew it all the time. They always introduce love themes for couples, like Iroh singing "Four Seasons" became Sokka and Yue's. Some crazy!Zutarians think the music in the Zutara cave and Kataang's is the same though.
    that was beautifully done. iroh singing a tune, then that tune becoming the 'theme' for sokka and yue. it just made the romance all the better.
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    Spacerac

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    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:

    and Dave's premise that "By your logic, I could say that, off screen, Zuko and Katara are doing the horizontal happy dance and laughing about how much everyone is buying Katara's pretending to hate him act." is truncated by the fact that when Kat threaten to kill him, it was JUST HIM AND HER, why would they "pretend" when no one is there?
    you know I was gonig to refute that but I decided to drop that one because that one was going nowhere.
    tomtitan wrote:
    y'know, kataang has its own theme tune. the track team guys confirmed it in an interview. it's the cave of two lovers music.
    I knew it all the time. They always introduce love themes for couples, like Iroh singing "Four Seasons" became Sokka and Yue's. Some crazy!Zutarians think the music in the Zutara cave and Kataang's is the same though.
    that was beautifully done. iroh singing a tune, then that tune becoming the 'theme' for sokka and yue. it just made the romance all the better.
    1700th post nab! Yeah, you gotta love that Chekhov's Gun thing they got going on through the whole thing.
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