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    mangafreak5000

    [1701]Apr 7, 2008
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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    mangafreak5000 wrote:
    Well, now that we're on the topic of the Avatar State and how it relates to Kataang, here's what I think. I think that for Aang to truly master the Avatar state he must first obviously deal with the spirit energy. He said to Toph in TDOBS 1 that his cosmic energy was screwed up. So, he'll probably have to make a trip into the spirit world to fix that. Maybe talk to some previous Avatar's, orand definately will see Koh (Mike and Bryan mentined we might see Koh again). After that, he'll have to meditate for a very long time, and figure out what exactly it means to 'let go' of Katara. The Guru mentioned that to master the Avatar state, Aang needed to 'get rid of emotional gunk'. Aang's emotional gunk is not the fact that he loves Katara, but that he feels conflicted about his love. He's unsure. Even after he has kissed Katara,they still haven't cleared up their relationship. Is it a friendship, a romance, or somewhere inbetween? Will Sokka approve of Aang dating his sister? Does Katara actually feel the same way about him? All of these questions are circling inside his brain. And, other Avatar's have had as close to 'true love' as you can get. The one Avatar from the Water Tribes had his fiancee's face stolen by Koh, and he has wandered lookinf for her ever since. If that's not true love, then what is? They had no problems, because they were secure in their relationships, and they knew that they had to balance their lives and their duties.

    Do you people just enjoy seeing me type the same stuff over and over again?

    If Aang can go into the AS and still have Katara, every problem they faced since CoD was completely meaningless since Aang could have just glowed it up and PWNED everyone and everything. What do you expect to happen? Aang goes AS, finds that he can still have Katara, goes back to the guru and says, "Hey, it turns out I can have the AS and love Katara. Didn't you say I couldn't?" to which the guru replies, "Actually, no. You missinterepretted what I said. All you had to do was give her up for those moments that you were in the AS. I probably should have clarified that, since the fate of the world was hanging in the balance, but I guess it slipped my mind. Oh well, I guess Ba Sing Se falling and your DoBS invasion failing was all for nothing. Have some onion and banana juice." ?

    As for the other avatars:

    1. Kuruk met his fiance long after he became a full avatar.

    2. Roku didn't talk to Ta Min for over 12 years while he was becoming a full avatar. Before that, he barely, if ever, talked to her. Remember this quote: "Hey, it's that girl that didn't even know you existed." There's no way that she was his attachment.

    I concede the part about Kuruk not meeting his fiance until after he was the avatar. However, with Roku, she could have been his attachment when he was younger. I doubt it, but it's possible. One sided love does exist. (So do stalkers lol) And no, I'm not saying that Aang can just have Katara, there will be some inner struggle, but I don't belive what people are saying about "Oh, once Aang gives up Katara its for good! He'll never be able to fall in love with her!" Just like with everything about the Avatar, Aang will have to find balance. He'll have to be able to accept the responsibility that he ran away from in the beginning, and measure the lives of his friends versus the fate of the world. If anyone has read "The Sword of Shanarra" than you might notice the similarity between Shea and Aang- they will both have to face the truth to suceed.

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    tomtitan

    [1702]Apr 7, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:

    and Dave's premise that "By your logic, I could say that, off screen, Zuko and Katara are doing the horizontal happy dance and laughing about how much everyone is buying Katara's pretending to hate him act." is truncated by the fact that when Kat threaten to kill him, it was JUST HIM AND HER, why would they "pretend" when no one is there?
    you know I was gonig to refute that but I decided to drop that one because that one was going nowhere.
    tomtitan wrote:
    y'know, kataang has its own theme tune. the track team guys confirmed it in an interview. it's the cave of two lovers music.
    I knew it all the time. They always introduce love themes for couples, like Iroh singing "Four Seasons" became Sokka and Yue's. Some crazy!Zutarians think the music in the Zutara cave and Kataang's is the same though.
    that was beautifully done. iroh singing a tune, then that tune becoming the 'theme' for sokka and yue. it just made the romance all the better.
    1700th post nab! Yeah, you gotta love that Chekhov's Gun thing they got going on through the whole thing.
    i wouldn't call that a chekov's gun really, because iroh sang four seasons in the same episode sokka met yue.

    oh, you're talking about the COTL music, that's a chekov's gun.

    others include the lightning redirection technique, katara's oasis water, roku's lesson about the avatar state, in a way the day of black sun, jet, suki, aang's trip to the spirit world in 107, and others whose names i do not know.
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    mangafreak5000

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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    mangafreak5000 wrote:
    Well, now that we're on the topic of the Avatar State and how it relates to Kataang, here's what I think. I think that for Aang to truly master the Avatar state he must first obviously deal with the spirit energy. He said to Toph in TDOBS 1 that his cosmic energy was screwed up. So, he'll probably have to make a trip into the spirit world to fix that. Maybe talk to some previous Avatar's, orand definately will see Koh (Mike and Bryan mentined we might see Koh again). After that, he'll have to meditate for a very long time, and figure out what exactly it means to 'let go' of Katara. The Guru mentioned that to master the Avatar state, Aang needed to 'get rid of emotional gunk'. Aang's emotional gunk is not the fact that he loves Katara, but that he feels conflicted about his love. He's unsure. Even after he has kissed Katara,they still haven't cleared up their relationship. Is it a friendship, a romance, or somewhere inbetween? Will Sokka approve of Aang dating his sister? Does Katara actually feel the same way about him? All of these questions are circling inside his brain. And, other Avatar's have had as close to 'true love' as you can get. The one Avatar from the Water Tribes had his fiancee's face stolen by Koh, and he has wandered lookinf for her ever since. If that's not true love, then what is? They had no problems, because they were secure in their relationships, and they knew that they had to balance their lives and their duties.

    Do you people just enjoy seeing me type the same stuff over and over again?

    If Aang can go into the AS and still have Katara, every problem they faced since CoD was completely meaningless since Aang could have just glowed it up and PWNED everyone and everything. What do you expect to happen? Aang goes AS, finds that he can still have Katara, goes back to the guru and says, "Hey, it turns out I can have the AS and love Katara. Didn't you say I couldn't?" to which the guru replies, "Actually, no. You missinterepretted what I said. All you had to do was give her up for those moments that you were in the AS. I probably should have clarified that, since the fate of the world was hanging in the balance, but I guess it slipped my mind. Oh well, I guess Ba Sing Se falling and your DoBS invasion failing was all for nothing. Have some onion and banana juice." ?

    As for the other avatars:

    1. Kuruk met his fiance long after he became a full avatar.

    2. Roku didn't talk to Ta Min for over 12 years while he was becoming a full avatar. Before that, he barely, if ever, talked to her. Remember this quote: "Hey, it's that girl that didn't even know you existed." There's no way that she was his attachment.

    Still, KATAANG!!!!

    LOL. Yes I know my poor pathetic little theory has no evidence when compared to the well planned Zutarian argument (its almost too well planned- they must meet to discuss comebacks every Saturday. I'm not joking. My Zutarian friends all would help each other out on boards. That of course, was when I was a Zutarian.) but its honestly what I think. And, Mike and Bryan are making a kids show. A masterpice, but still a kids show. They won't have Aang not get Katara for some stupid random reason like that. They'll put them in danger, but they'll never have the good guy not get the girl. Ot at least, not have the OPTION of getting the girl.

    *hides from Zutarians*

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    Spacerac

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    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:

    and Dave's premise that "By your logic, I could say that, off screen, Zuko and Katara are doing the horizontal happy dance and laughing about how much everyone is buying Katara's pretending to hate him act." is truncated by the fact that when Kat threaten to kill him, it was JUST HIM AND HER, why would they "pretend" when no one is there?
    you know I was gonig to refute that but I decided to drop that one because that one was going nowhere.
    tomtitan wrote:
    y'know, kataang has its own theme tune. the track team guys confirmed it in an interview. it's the cave of two lovers music.
    I knew it all the time. They always introduce love themes for couples, like Iroh singing "Four Seasons" became Sokka and Yue's. Some crazy!Zutarians think the music in the Zutara cave and Kataang's is the same though.
    that was beautifully done. iroh singing a tune, then that tune becoming the 'theme' for sokka and yue. it just made the romance all the better.
    1700th post nab! Yeah, you gotta love that Chekhov's Gun thing they got going on through the whole thing.
    i wouldn't call that a chekov's gun really, because iroh sang four seasons in the same episode sokka met yue.

    oh, you're talking about the COTL music, that's a chekov's gun.

    others include the lightning redirection technique, katara's oasis water, roku's lesson about the avatar state, in a way the day of black sun, jet, suki, aang's trip to the spirit world in 107, and others whose names i do not know.
    I just like that whole "foreshadowing" thing in the show period. And then when you think about it, you can see how Avatar along with other mediums is based on the people's personal experiences in some form, because in a way your own life has elements of foreshadowing in it.
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    DanSandwichBoy

    [1705]Apr 7, 2008
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    Personally, I'm one of the Kataangers who, IMHO, feels that Kataang is more likely, but accepts that Zutara always has a chance of happening in their lifetimes, and if the show pulls off Zutara in the series in a believable way, I'm OK with it. I feel bad when the Kataang extremists put down Zutarians as a whole calling them all stupid and closed-minded. There are stupid and closed-minded Zutarians, just as there are stupid and closed-minded Kataangers.

    And I get along well with the Zutarians who respect that Kataang has at least a chance of happening. Heck, I've even drawn people's Zutara spawns and got a Zutarian friend of mine on dA to create a Kataang one. I personally believe that Kataang will happen, but we're all entitled to our own opinions. I respect yours, please respect mine.

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    Spacerac

    [1706]Apr 7, 2008
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    DanSandwichBoy wrote:

    Personally, I'm one of the Kataangers who, IMHO, feels that Kataang is more likely, but accepts that Zutara always has a chance of happening in their lifetimes, and if the show pulls off Zutara in the series in a believable way, I'm OK with it. I feel bad when the Kataang extremists put down Zutarians as a whole calling them all stupid and closed-minded. There are stupid and closed-minded Zutarians, just as there are stupid and closed-minded Kataangers.

    And I get along well with the Zutarians who respect that Kataang has at least a chance of happening. Heck, I've even drawn people's Zutara spawns and got a Zutarian friend of mine on dA to create a Kataang one. I personally believe that Kataang will happen, but we're all entitled to our own opinions. I respect yours, please respect mine.
    I absolutely agree.
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    wiseone_777

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    Spacerac wrote:
    DanSandwichBoy wrote:

    Personally, I'm one of the Kataangers who, IMHO, feels that Kataang is more likely, but accepts that Zutara always has a chance of happening in their lifetimes, and if the show pulls off Zutara in the series in a believable way, I'm OK with it. I feel bad when the Kataang extremists put down Zutarians as a whole calling them all stupid and closed-minded. There are stupid and closed-minded Zutarians, just as there are stupid and closed-minded Kataangers.

    And I get along well with the Zutarians who respect that Kataang has at least a chance of happening. Heck, I've even drawn people's Zutara spawns and got a Zutarian friend of mine on dA to create a Kataang one. I personally believe that Kataang will happen, but we're all entitled to our own opinions. I respect yours, please respect mine.
    I absolutely agree.
    I respect your opinion. I just hate how everyone points to the few Zutara moments and say that it will happen. But no denial, Zutara is a CUTE couple!
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    DanSandwichBoy wrote:

    Personally, I'm one of the Kataangers who, IMHO, feels that Kataang is more likely, but accepts that Zutara always has a chance of happening in their lifetimes, and if the show pulls off Zutara in the series in a believable way, I'm OK with it. I feel bad when the Kataang extremists put down Zutarians as a whole calling them all stupid and closed-minded. There are stupid and closed-minded Zutarians, just as there are stupid and closed-minded Kataangers.

    And I get along well with the Zutarians who respect that Kataang has at least a chance of happening. Heck, I've even drawn people's Zutara spawns and got a Zutarian friend of mine on dA to create a Kataang one. I personally believe that Kataang will happen, but we're all entitled to our own opinions. I respect yours, please respect mine.

    Glad to hear that. Sorry, that I can't feel the same way, but I'm glad to hear that. I'm just too convinced that Zuko and Katara are going to end up together. Now, I'd never insult someone for thinking that Katara and Aang will wind up together, but I have to say that if Mike and Bryan give Katara to Aang and a lot of really creative, really good, really acceptable ways to get out of the AS conundrum aren't met, I'm going to think that it's a huge cop-out.

    Unless Jin is brought back and Zuko gets her, because Jin rocks. Then they can let Aang have Katara, I'd still want to see a good way out of the AS dilema, but I'd be ok with it.

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    Spacerac

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    I do like ZuJin the best of all the Zuko ships, however.
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    wiseone_777

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    Spacerac wrote:
    I do like ZuJin the best of all the Zuko ships, however.
    Zukaang FTW!!!!!!!!
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    WiseLad

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    Dave thinks that "forgotten" is forever

    that is not possible in the case of "Mike Smith" being married to "Jane Doe", and she has today a very risky medical operation, but unfortunately Mike has to be present at an important meeting that he could not reschedule; Mike can't put as forgotten thoughts "Jane being in the operation" and concentrate 100% on the meeting

    Forget= verb: be unable to remember
    verb: dismiss from the mind; stop remembering
    verb: leave behind unintentionally
    verb: forget to do something if you go deeply into the study of how is meditation of all kind of faiths, you will see that when they say "forget all your earthly concerns" they mean to "not think about them AT ALL while meditating, and be solely at the thought of relaxing", after they meditate, do all the earthly concerns(what to eat, job duties, how to take care of their children, etc etc)disappear? or do they quit, leave their family behind, leave their kids to fend on themselves, not seek food?

    why you make it as "VERY EASY" for someone to truly forget "the most important things in their life"(which is an illusion anyway, as taught by the guy from the swamp) while they try to meditate? it is not something that is "very easy"

    it is almost like trying to do bungee jumping, and the person who made sure the rope was the right length is the person that hates you the most. Can you truly forget he hates you, and trust that he did the right thing, and gave you the right length? or will you decide not to jump at all because you can't take away from your thoughts that that person hates you?
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    Mapletree46

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    WiseLad wrote:
    Dave thinks that "forgotten" is forever

    that is not possible in the case of "Mike Smith" being married to "Jane Doe", and she has today a very risky medical operation, but unfortunately Mike has to be present at an important meeting that he could not reschedule; Mike can't put as forgotten thoughts "Jane being in the operation" and concentrate 100% on the meeting

    Forget= verb: be unable to remember
    verb: dismiss from the mind; stop remembering
    verb: leave behind unintentionally
    verb: forget to do something if you go deeply into the study of how is meditation of all kind of faiths, you will see that when they say "forget all your earthly concerns" they mean to "not think about them AT ALL while meditating, and be solely at the thought of relaxing", after they meditate, do all the earthly concerns(what to eat, job duties, how to take care of their children, etc etc)disappear? or do they quit, leave their family behind, leave their kids to fend on themselves, not seek food?

    why you make it as "VERY EASY" for someone to truly forget "the most important things in their life"(which is an illusion anyway, as taught by the guy from the swamp) while they try to meditate? it is not something that is "very easy"

    it is almost like trying to do bungee jumping, and the person who made sure the rope was the right length is the person that hates you the most. Can you truly forget he hates you, and trust that he did the right thing, and gave you the right length? or will you decide not to jump at all because you can't take away from your thoughts that that person hates you?


    i understand and respect your opinion

    But your opinion is stupid

    (i didn't read what you wrote, i just wanted to say that)
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    WiseLad

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    Spacerac wrote:
    I do like ZuJin the best of all the Zuko ships, however.


    as of "right now"

    knowing who the "candidates are" and what they have shown of them

    I like better Zukong, Zujin is second, and Maizu is highly uncertain, we don't feel we have known what is truly inside the mind and heart of Mai

    maybe what happens in the next 2 or 3 episodes will give answers

    than instead of many "lukewarm" fans of Mai, we will get either a lot of Mai fans, or a lot of Mai haters

    I prefer for now, keep an open mind, and wait what Bryke shows us about Mai
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    WaterLily16

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    Zuuuutararararararararararar

    rar

    a

    (bored)

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    wiseone_777

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    WaterLily16 wrote:

    Zuuuutararararararararararar

    rar

    a

    (bored)
    Kataang FTW!
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    Maria93

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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:

    Zuuuutararararararararararar

    rar

    a

    (bored)
    Kataang FTW!

    Zuuuuuuuuuutara !!!! ( i'm bored too )

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    bendthisfire

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    Maria93 wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:

    Zuuuutararararararararararar

    rar

    a

    (bored)
    Kataang FTW!

    Zuuuuuuuuuutara !!!! ( i'm bored too )


    "Your my forever girl"
    Kataang.
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    Valin610

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    WiseLad wrote:
    Dave thinks that "forgotten" is forever

    that is not possible in the case of "Mike Smith" being married to "Jane Doe", and she has today a very risky medical operation, but unfortunately Mike has to be present at an important meeting that he could not reschedule; Mike can't put as forgotten thoughts "Jane being in the operation" and concentrate 100% on the meeting

    Forget= verb: be unable to remember
    verb: dismiss from the mind; stop remembering
    verb: leave behind unintentionally
    verb: forget to do something if you go deeply into the study of how is meditation of all kind of faiths, you will see that when they say "forget all your earthly concerns" they mean to "not think about them AT ALL while meditating, and be solely at the thought of relaxing", after they meditate, do all the earthly concerns(what to eat, job duties, how to take care of their children, etc etc)disappear? or do they quit, leave their family behind, leave their kids to fend on themselves, not seek food?

    why you make it as "VERY EASY" for someone to truly forget "the most important things in their life"(which is an illusion anyway, as taught by the guy from the swamp) while they try to meditate? it is not something that is "very easy"

    it is almost like trying to do bungee jumping, and the person who made sure the rope was the right length is the person that hates you the most. Can you truly forget he hates you, and trust that he did the right thing, and gave you the right length? or will you decide not to jump at all because you can't take away from your thoughts that that person hates you?


    QFT

    Dave really misinterpreted the whole AS and Katara deal.

    In other news, the Kataang/Zutara arguements have been greatly dull and repeatative as of late. We require more episodes to add to our arguements so things get interesting again. : /
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    WiseLad wrote:
    Dave thinks that "forgotten" is forever that is not possible in the case of "Mike Smith" being married to "Jane Doe", and she has today a very risky medical operation, but unfortunately Mike has to be present at an important meeting that he could not reschedule; Mike can't put as forgotten thoughts "Jane being in the operation" and concentrate 100% on the meeting Forget= verb: be unable to remember verb: dismiss from the mind; stop remembering verb: leave behind unintentionally verb: forget to do something if you go deeply into the study of how is meditation of all kind of faiths, you will see that when they say "forget all your earthly concerns" they mean to "not think about them AT ALL while meditating, and be solely at the thought of relaxing", after they meditate, do all the earthly concerns(what to eat, job duties, how to take care of their children, etc etc)disappear? or do they quit, leave their family behind, leave their kids to fend on themselves, not seek food? why you make it as "VERY EASY" for someone to truly forget "the most important things in their life"(which is an illusion anyway, as taught by the guy from the swamp) while they try to meditate? it is not something that is "very easy" it is almost like trying to do bungee jumping, and the person who made sure the rope was the right length is the person that hates you the most. Can you truly forget he hates you, and trust that he did the right thing, and gave you the right length? or will you decide not to jump at all because you can't take away from your thoughts that that person hates you?

    Ok, WiseLad seems to be putting words in my mouth so let me clarify, again.

    He has to forget about his attachment to Katara. He doesn't have to forget about her.

    Now, combine this with Aunt Wu not seeing love in his future and it makes sense that he won't end up with Katara.

    Zukong? Song came off as boring and dull to me. She seemed to be looking for anyone. Jin was fun and outgoing.

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    WiseLad

    [1720]Apr 8, 2008
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    Dave seems to think that AANG WILL END WITH NO ONE AT ALL that he will always be alone, and unless airbenders are hidden somewhere, there won't be any airbenders, nor any flying Bisons(as far as we know, there are no more of them, Appa is the last one); so who will teach the next avatars airbending?

    if you have only gone as far as DOBS part 2, don't look at the spoiler
    ***SPOILER***


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