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    Absarroth

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    chibikangaroo wrote:
    elementavatar14 wrote:

    I thought this was already established in the 9 months of hiatus?

    What the Guru meant by needing to leanr to let go, is that aang needs to learn that the world comes before Katara. That doesnt mean tht Aang cant love her, its just that Katara cant get in the way of Aangs responsibilites.

    Remember in the Season Finale from I think season 2, when Aang remembers what the Guru says just as he sees Katara being attacked by all their enemies and she seems to be in trouble. Normally Aang might rush to her rescue, but instead he says "sorry Katara" and encases himself in a protective shield while he meditates to go into the Avatar state. If Aang had rushed to her side then his passion and feelings would have been in control of him and he wouldn't have been able to be in the proper state of mind to control the avatar state, even if he had managed to go into it. He would have just been the destructive avatar state that we have seen in the past which is what he was afraid of. He was worried he might hurt his friends even as he defeated their enemies. Seems like the creators of Avatar are drawing heavily from Buddhist tradition with this because in order for Aang to enter into the avatar state by his own will (and control it) he has to "let go" of his powerful emotional attachments, perhaps even all emotional attachments, thereby making him immune to the powerful influences of things such as hatred, greed, and delusion. Those 3 are considered the main obstacles in many forms of Buddhist theory which prevent someone from becoming enlightened. However, any emotion can lead someone down the path towards one of those 3, including love.

    So you're saying that Aang needs to let go of all emotional attachments and completely let go of any love he has for Katara or anyone else? Kataang fans will not like this...

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    Absarroth wrote:
    chibikangaroo wrote:
    elementavatar14 wrote:

    I thought this was already established in the 9 months of hiatus?

    What the Guru meant by needing to leanr to let go, is that aang needs to learn that the world comes before Katara. That doesnt mean tht Aang cant love her, its just that Katara cant get in the way of Aangs responsibilites.

    Remember in the Season Finale from I think season 2, when Aang remembers what the Guru says just as he sees Katara being attacked by all their enemies and she seems to be in trouble. Normally Aang might rush to her rescue, but instead he says "sorry Katara" and encases himself in a protective shield while he meditates to go into the Avatar state. If Aang had rushed to her side then his passion and feelings would have been in control of him and he wouldn't have been able to be in the proper state of mind to control the avatar state, even if he had managed to go into it. He would have just been the destructive avatar state that we have seen in the past which is what he was afraid of. He was worried he might hurt his friends even as he defeated their enemies. Seems like the creators of Avatar are drawing heavily from Buddhist tradition with this because in order for Aang to enter into the avatar state by his own will (and control it) he has to "let go" of his powerful emotional attachments, perhaps even all emotional attachments, thereby making him immune to the powerful influences of things such as hatred, greed, and delusion. Those 3 are considered the main obstacles in many forms of Buddhist theory which prevent someone from becoming enlightened. However, any emotion can lead someone down the path towards one of those 3, including love.

    So you're saying that Aang needs to let go of all emotional attachments and completely let go of any love he has for Katara or anyone else? Kataang fans will not like this...

    no, no we will not.
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    WiseLad

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    Absarroth wrote:
    chibikangaroo wrote:
    elementavatar14 wrote:

    I thought this was already established in the 9 months of hiatus?

    What the Guru meant by needing to leanr to let go, is that aang needs to learn that the world comes before Katara. That doesnt mean tht Aang cant love her, its just that Katara cant get in the way of Aangs responsibilites.

    Remember in the Season Finale from I think season 2, when Aang remembers what the Guru says just as he sees Katara being attacked by all their enemies and she seems to be in trouble. Normally Aang might rush to her rescue, but instead he says "sorry Katara" and encases himself in a protective shield while he meditates to go into the Avatar state. If Aang had rushed to her side then his passion and feelings would have been in control of him and he wouldn't have been able to be in the proper state of mind to control the avatar state, even if he had managed to go into it. He would have just been the destructive avatar state that we have seen in the past which is what he was afraid of. He was worried he might hurt his friends even as he defeated their enemies. Seems like the creators of Avatar are drawing heavily from Buddhist tradition with this because in order for Aang to enter into the avatar state by his own will (and control it) he has to "let go" of his powerful emotional attachments, perhaps even all emotional attachments, thereby making him immune to the powerful influences of things such as hatred, greed, and delusion. Those 3 are considered the main obstacles in many forms of Buddhist theory which prevent someone from becoming enlightened. However, any emotion can lead someone down the path towards one of those 3, including love.

    So you're saying that Aang needs to let go of all emotional attachments and completely let go of any love he has for Katara or anyone else? Kataang fans will not like this...



    nope

    he is saying that when Aang wants to go avatar state, Aang has to put himself in a frame of mind where he "forgets" every emotion he has. Aang has to meditate completely into reaching the cosmic energy, without thinking of ANYTHING ELSE

    and despite what many people say(that it is very easy) it is something that is very difficult to do when there is something heavily inside one's mind
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    chibikangaroo

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    Yea, Wiselad is correct. I didn't say that Aang can't love Katara. If that was true, then Roku wouldn't have been able to love anyone either. I wasn't sure before they showed that episode (the history of Roku having a love and children) if the Avatar could experience love and a family, but they seem to have answered that conclusively. Aang can love Katara and he can have a relationship with her, however, there has to be a kind of mental wall between his emotion for her and his duties as the Avatar.

    One thing to remember is this: Aang probably will live longer than Katara, and even when he does die he will be reborn whereas she probably won't (unless they've fully adapted Buddhist teachings). If Aang became too attached to Katara he wouldn't be able to function properly because of his knowledge of her mortality for one thing. That could lead to all kinds of problems which i'm sure you could imagine. That's just one issue if he became too attached to her. That doesn't even touch on issues of jealousy and hate which could affect his actions as the Avatar.

    Aang has to hold his emotions in check and when the time comes for him to be the Avatar, he has to discard them completely and focus on being the avatar.
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    chibikangaroo wrote:
    Yea, Wiselad is correct. I didn't say that Aang can't love Katara. If that was true, then Roku wouldn't have been able to love anyone either. I wasn't sure before they showed that episode (the history of Roku having a love and children) if the Avatar could experience love and a family, but they seem to have answered that conclusively. Aang can love Katara and he can have a relationship with her, however, there has to be a kind of mental wall between his emotion for her and his duties as the Avatar.

    One thing to remember is this: Aang probably will live longer than Katara, and even when he does die he will be reborn whereas she probably won't (unless they've fully adapted Buddhist teachings). If Aang became too attached to Katara he wouldn't be able to function properly because of his knowledge of her mortality for one thing. That could lead to all kinds of problems which i'm sure you could imagine. That's just one issue if he became too attached to her. That doesn't even touch on issues of jealousy and hate which could affect his actions as the Avatar.

    Aang has to hold his emotions in check and when the time comes for him to be the Avatar, he has to discard them completely and focus on being the avatar.


    I think when he says "emotions in check" he doesn't mean be like Mai, he means "controlling his emotions" and only allowing to show emotions that he feels are ok

    basically the classic "count to 10 and breath hard before doing something you will regret when you are mad"
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    WiseLad wrote:
    chibikangaroo wrote:
    Yea, Wiselad is correct. I didn't say that Aang can't love Katara. If that was true, then Roku wouldn't have been able to love anyone either. I wasn't sure before they showed that episode (the history of Roku having a love and children) if the Avatar could experience love and a family, but they seem to have answered that conclusively. Aang can love Katara and he can have a relationship with her, however, there has to be a kind of mental wall between his emotion for her and his duties as the Avatar. One thing to remember is this: Aang probably will live longer than Katara, and even when he does die he will be reborn whereas she probably won't (unless they've fully adapted Buddhist teachings). If Aang became too attached to Katara he wouldn't be able to function properly because of his knowledge of her mortality for one thing. That could lead to all kinds of problems which i'm sure you could imagine. That's just one issue if he became too attached to her. That doesn't even touch on issues of jealousy and hate which could affect his actions as the Avatar. Aang has to hold his emotions in check and when the time comes for him to be the Avatar, he has to discard them completely and focus on being the avatar.
    I think when he says "emotions in check" he doesn't mean be like Mai, he means "controlling his emotions" and only allowing to show emotions that he feels are ok basically the classic "count to 10 and breath hard before doing something you will regret when you are mad"

    haha. isnt tht what i said in my last post? except mine was really really condensed to the point of vague description?

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    elementavatar14 wrote:

    WiseLad wrote:
    chibikangaroo wrote:
    Yea, Wiselad is correct. I didn't say that Aang can't love Katara. If that was true, then Roku wouldn't have been able to love anyone either. I wasn't sure before they showed that episode (the history of Roku having a love and children) if the Avatar could experience love and a family, but they seem to have answered that conclusively. Aang can love Katara and he can have a relationship with her, however, there has to be a kind of mental wall between his emotion for her and his duties as the Avatar. One thing to remember is this: Aang probably will live longer than Katara, and even when he does die he will be reborn whereas she probably won't (unless they've fully adapted Buddhist teachings). If Aang became too attached to Katara he wouldn't be able to function properly because of his knowledge of her mortality for one thing. That could lead to all kinds of problems which i'm sure you could imagine. That's just one issue if he became too attached to her. That doesn't even touch on issues of jealousy and hate which could affect his actions as the Avatar. Aang has to hold his emotions in check and when the time comes for him to be the Avatar, he has to discard them completely and focus on being the avatar.
    I think when he says "emotions in check" he doesn't mean be like Mai, he means "controlling his emotions" and only allowing to show emotions that he feels are ok basically the classic "count to 10 and breath hard before doing something you will regret when you are mad"

    haha. isnt tht what i said in my last post? except mine was really really condensed to the point of vague description?

    An Aang that is like Mai would equal a World in Peril.
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    chibikangaroo wrote:
    Yea, Wiselad is correct. I didn't say that Aang can't love Katara. If that was true, then Roku wouldn't have been able to love anyone either. I wasn't sure before they showed that episode (the history of Roku having a love and children) if the Avatar could experience love and a family, but they seem to have answered that conclusively. Aang can love Katara and he can have a relationship with her, however, there has to be a kind of mental wall between his emotion for her and his duties as the Avatar. One thing to remember is this: Aang probably will live longer than Katara, and even when he does die he will be reborn whereas she probably won't (unless they've fully adapted Buddhist teachings). If Aang became too attached to Katara he wouldn't be able to function properly because of his knowledge of her mortality for one thing. That could lead to all kinds of problems which i'm sure you could imagine. That's just one issue if he became too attached to her. That doesn't even touch on issues of jealousy and hate which could affect his actions as the Avatar. Aang has to hold his emotions in check and when the time comes for him to be the Avatar, he has to discard them completely and focus on being the avatar.

    But Roku had different training than Aang did, with the Fire Sages. I doubt they used the exact same chakra method. It could also be assumed that Roku had better control due to his maturity. I mean...we've never seen Roku using the Avatar state as a child.

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    QuickStop55 wrote:

    chibikangaroo wrote:
    Yea, Wiselad is correct. I didn't say that Aang can't love Katara. If that was true, then Roku wouldn't have been able to love anyone either. I wasn't sure before they showed that episode (the history of Roku having a love and children) if the Avatar could experience love and a family, but they seem to have answered that conclusively. Aang can love Katara and he can have a relationship with her, however, there has to be a kind of mental wall between his emotion for her and his duties as the Avatar. One thing to remember is this: Aang probably will live longer than Katara, and even when he does die he will be reborn whereas she probably won't (unless they've fully adapted Buddhist teachings). If Aang became too attached to Katara he wouldn't be able to function properly because of his knowledge of her mortality for one thing. That could lead to all kinds of problems which i'm sure you could imagine. That's just one issue if he became too attached to her. That doesn't even touch on issues of jealousy and hate which could affect his actions as the Avatar. Aang has to hold his emotions in check and when the time comes for him to be the Avatar, he has to discard them completely and focus on being the avatar.

    But Roku had different training than Aang did, with the Fire Sages. I doubt they used the exact same chakra method. It could also be assumed that Roku had better control due to his maturity. I mean...we've never seen Roku using the Avatar state as a child.

    You're saying in a metaphoracal way that just because we haven't seen the wind, it isn't there, no offence. Roku would have AS moments. But I'm thinking that Roku would have different training to the same end. So Aang could meet up with that other Fire Sage (forgot the name...) and he could train Aang to master the AS!
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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    You're saying in a metaphoracal way that just because we haven't seen the wind, it isn't there, no offence.
    The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence.
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    raienbrasa wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    You're saying in a metaphoracal way that just because we haven't seen the wind, it isn't there, no offence.
    The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence.


    thank you Samuel Jackson
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    rockrchick30 wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    You're saying in a metaphoracal way that just because we haven't seen the wind, it isn't there, no offence.
    The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence.


    thank you Samuel Jackson
    Logically, if something cannot be seen by any means, heard by any means, smelt by any means, or can be created/destroyed by any means, it is not there.
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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    rockrchick30 wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    You're saying in a metaphoracal way that just because we haven't seen the wind, it isn't there, no offence.
    The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence.


    thank you Samuel Jackson
    Logically, if something cannot be seen by any means, heard by any means, smelt by any means, or can be created/destroyed by any means, it is not there.
    You, sir, should watch more Boondocks.
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    raienbrasa wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    rockrchick30 wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    You're saying in a metaphoracal way that just because we haven't seen the wind, it isn't there, no offence.
    The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence.


    thank you Samuel Jackson
    Logically, if something cannot be seen by any means, heard by any means, smelt by any means, or can be created/destroyed by any means, it is not there.
    You, sir, should watch more Boondocks.


    Chuck Norris sees everything, hears everything, smells everything, and he makes and destroys everything, even the things that don't exist
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    has anybody seen the DVD cover for fire,volume 4? its amazing!!!!!!
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    QuickStop55 wrote:

    chibikangaroo wrote:
    Yea, Wiselad is correct. I didn't say that Aang can't love Katara. If that was true, then Roku wouldn't have been able to love anyone either. I wasn't sure before they showed that episode (the history of Roku having a love and children) if the Avatar could experience love and a family, but they seem to have answered that conclusively. Aang can love Katara and he can have a relationship with her, however, there has to be a kind of mental wall between his emotion for her and his duties as the Avatar. One thing to remember is this: Aang probably will live longer than Katara, and even when he does die he will be reborn whereas she probably won't (unless they've fully adapted Buddhist teachings). If Aang became too attached to Katara he wouldn't be able to function properly because of his knowledge of her mortality for one thing. That could lead to all kinds of problems which i'm sure you could imagine. That's just one issue if he became too attached to her. That doesn't even touch on issues of jealousy and hate which could affect his actions as the Avatar. Aang has to hold his emotions in check and when the time comes for him to be the Avatar, he has to discard them completely and focus on being the avatar.

    But Roku had different training than Aang did, with the Fire Sages. I doubt they used the exact same chakra method. It could also be assumed that Roku had better control due to his maturity. I mean...we've never seen Roku using the Avatar state as a child.

    we've never seen roku in AS as a child for one reason, the person being the avatar is only told to him as they turn sixteen, aang only found out earlier because of the eminent war. So its kind of obvious roku didn't used the AS as a kid since he didn't even knew he was the avatar

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    RR4RogueRaven

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    Well but those that means Rokku never ever went so angry as to go into the Avatar state as a kid because Av state is not a thing you train but a thing you're born with ergo even if you donot know if you're the avatar you should be able to access no?
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    RR4RogueRaven wrote:
    Well but those that means Rokku never ever went so angry as to go into the Avatar state as a kid because Av state is not a thing you train but a thing you're born with ergo even if you donot know if you're the avatar you should be able to access no?


    the nation's "Gurus or priests" know, and I imagine that they make sure that the avatar has as normal a life as possible, without any danger. Technically, the avatar even if he or she doesn't know they are the avatar, they would automatically go AS when in danger, the same way Aang went for the "first time" when he almost drowned, and got "frozen" for about 100 years
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    wiseone_777

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    WiseLad wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    rockrchick30 wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    You're saying in a metaphoracal way that just because we haven't seen the wind, it isn't there, no offence.
    The absence of evidence is NOT the evidence of absence.


    thank you Samuel Jackson
    Logically, if something cannot be seen by any means, heard by any means, smelt by any means, or can be created/destroyed by any means, it is not there.
    You, sir, should watch more Boondocks.


    Chuck Norris sees everything, hears everything, smells everything, and he makes and destroys everything, even the things that don't exist
    I don't like Chucky McChuckchuck. He's very pro-republican....Yes, I'm Canadian, but I do like American Politics! *GASP* IDEA! OFF TO THE BLOGGING OF ME!!!
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    rockrchick30

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    TheBLUESPIRIT86 wrote:
    has anybody seen the DVD cover for fire,volume 4? its amazing!!!!!!


    i would like to see. do u have a link?
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