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    nyfan

    [1]Dec 2, 2006
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    A lot of you are upset last night's finale. Did not like the sad ending? I went to sleep, and thought about it, and it makes perfect sense.

    They have 20 more episodes next season to fill. Sometimes you need bad things to happen, to create conflict and fill up 20 episodes.

    We got Zuko making the wrong choice, no doubt about it, but having regrets. If it made the right choice, he would have no regret, no conflict, what is there left to do?

    Aang is injuried, he has recovered. That has another few episodes. The writers got to do, what they got to do.

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    pooldude256

    [2]Dec 2, 2006
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    I agree. Thinking back now it makes perfect sense. In both seasons Aang has begun learning his "element of the season" about halfway through. But if Zuko/Iroh joined the group in the season 2 finale, it would make no sense, the season premiere could be about him learning firebending.

    Plus this finale added some great plot twists. I wonder if now that Aang has all his chakras open, if he could actually, y'know, cloud them up again, or if they will always stay open no matter what? Like let's say Aang and Katara fall in love. Would that mean his seventh chakra would close and he'd have to reopen it again?
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    Xiovii

    [3]Dec 2, 2006
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    Aang and Katara can't fall in love. Aang already let go right before azula shot him down. I think theyre gonna go back to the Eastern Air temple so he can practice using the avatar state. xD
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    the_jaguarundi

    [4]Dec 2, 2006
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    pooldude256 wrote:
    I agree. Thinking back now it makes perfect sense. In both seasons Aang has begun learning his "element of the season" about halfway through. But if Zuko/Iroh joined the group in the season 2 finale, it would make no sense, the season premiere could be about him learning firebending.

    Plus this finale added some great plot twists. I wonder if now that Aang has all his chakras open, if he could actually, y'know, cloud them up again, or if they will always stay open no matter what? Like let's say Aang and Katara fall in love. Would that mean his seventh chakra would close and he'd have to reopen it again?


    I think there are 4 ways to view it:

    1) He gave it up. Doing that and all the other things enabled him to "grow up" or "become a man." He will be "over" Katara.

    2) He gave it up, but, as you said, Pooldude, the chakra will be re-closed. That way he won't be uber, defeating everybody and everything, and that way his love for Katara could continue.

    3) He didn't actually give it up, but was in the process of giving it up. If you watch it again, you'll notice that he's on the windy mystical bridge above the globe when he's hit with lightning. So the process of giving it up and going totally into the Avatar State hadn't happened yet.

    4) What he ACTUALLY gave up was his boyish crush (most boyish of all in "The Fortuneteller") and replaced it with true sacrificial love for her. Giving up his "neediness," and his "need" to "have" her and replacing it with a fuller expression of love, paving the way for a true romance with the more mature Katara.

    Which do you think, Pooldude?
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    kataang4eva081

    [5]Dec 2, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    pooldude256 wrote:
    I agree. Thinking back now it makes perfect sense. In both seasons Aang has begun learning his "element of the season" about halfway through. But if Zuko/Iroh joined the group in the season 2 finale, it would make no sense, the season premiere could be about him learning firebending. Plus this finale added some great plot twists. I wonder if now that Aang has all his chakras open, if he could actually, y'know, cloud them up again, or if they will always stay open no matter what? Like let's say Aang and Katara fall in love. Would that mean his seventh chakra would close and he'd have to reopen it again?


    I think there are 4 ways to view it:

    1) He gave it up. Doing that and all the other things enabled him to "grow up" or "become a man." He will be "over" Katara.

    2) He gave it up, but, as you said, Pooldude, the chakra will be re-closed. That way he won't be uber, defeating everybody and everything, and that way his love for Katara could continue.

    3) He didn't actually give it up, but was in the process of giving it up. If you watch it again, you'll notice that he's on the windy mystical bridge above the globe when he's hit with lightning. So the process of giving it up and going totally into the Avatar State hadn't happened yet.

    4) What he ACTUALLY gave up was his boyish crush (most boyish of all in "The Fortuneteller") and replaced it with true sacrificial love for her. Giving up his "neediness," and his "need" to "have" her and replacing it with a fuller expression of love, paving the way for a true romance with the more mature Katara.

    Which do you think, Pooldude?

    Way to sum it up.

    I agree, I think becuase he was willing to "sacrafice" (in a sense) his love for Katara, he truly does love her. He saw that there were "too many of them", and knew the only way to get him and Katara out alive was to go into the avatar state, so he gave her up because he loved her, wait, argh, I'm confusing myself. Does that make any sense? He gave up loving her becuase he truly does love her?

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    risingsoul

    [6]Dec 2, 2006
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    Exactly. The season finale may not be conclusive, but it merely sets up for the next season. Loose strings that have been left to tied together later.
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    the_jaguarundi

    [7]Dec 2, 2006
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    kataang4eva081 wrote:

    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    pooldude256 wrote:
    I agree. Thinking back now it makes perfect sense. In both seasons Aang has begun learning his "element of the season" about halfway through. But if Zuko/Iroh joined the group in the season 2 finale, it would make no sense, the season premiere could be about him learning firebending. Plus this finale added some great plot twists. I wonder if now that Aang has all his chakras open, if he could actually, y'know, cloud them up again, or if they will always stay open no matter what? Like let's say Aang and Katara fall in love. Would that mean his seventh chakra would close and he'd have to reopen it again?


    I think there are 4 ways to view it:

    1) He gave it up. Doing that and all the other things enabled him to "grow up" or "become a man." He will be "over" Katara.

    2) He gave it up, but, as you said, Pooldude, the chakra will be re-closed. That way he won't be uber, defeating everybody and everything, and that way his love for Katara could continue.

    3) He didn't actually give it up, but was in the process of giving it up. If you watch it again, you'll notice that he's on the windy mystical bridge above the globe when he's hit with lightning. So the process of giving it up and going totally into the Avatar State hadn't happened yet.

    4) What he ACTUALLY gave up was his boyish crush (most boyish of all in "The Fortuneteller") and replaced it with true sacrificial love for her. Giving up his "neediness," and his "need" to "have" her and replacing it with a fuller expression of love, paving the way for a true romance with the more mature Katara.

    Which do you think, Pooldude?

    Way to sum it up.

    I agree, I think becuase he was willing to "sacrafice" (in a sense) his love for Katara, he truly does love her. He saw that there were "too many of them", and knew the only way to get him and Katara out alive was to go into the avatar state, so he gave her up because he loved her, wait, argh, I'm confusing myself. Does that make any sense? He gave up loving her becuase he truly does love her?


    Exactly. He gave up love (lower case "l") for Love (capital "L").

    This is an American show; as others have astutely pointed out, there's no way the message of the show is that Responsibility completely trumps Relationships, or Power is better than True Love.

    And besides, the final scene of Aang waking up to see Katara, it is their first meeting all over again.

    And besides, the dialogue with Iroh in the tunnel is meant as the "takeaway" of the episodes. That dialogue is THE KEY to understanding what's going on.
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    kataang4eva081

    [8]Dec 2, 2006
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    Oh yea, nicely put Iroh! "Perfection and power are over rated". Hehe. I think what he says sums it up. Oh oh! Wait wait!!!! If the airbenders love for Aang (and vice versa) is reborn into??Katara, then he can't really give her up, right? He just went from "spereated love" (lowercase "l" love) to "we really are like one" (uppercase "L" love) with Katara. Argh! Why do they torture us so? This is so confusing...
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