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    dumbTVnut

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    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Gladly, but first, you need to finnish watching the ark It's like not watching the first book of Avatar! You really just won't get it! Lemme see.....you were on the boat, getting to to Bridge Builders house.... -.-' Just a bit farther......like......um.....10-15 episodes? (*nervous laugh*) But trust me, once you meet the Sand Gennin for the Chunin exams, its all worth it!


    It a never ending anime, where after every plot arch they just add a new one, usually they try to suspend your disbelief by making the new one look even more powerful or exciting then the last one, but after several cycles of it can get rather boring. The characters achieve a new and once thought unimaginable level only to discover a newer level and the cycle repeats with no end or practical limit in sight. This kind of plot structure when combined with melee or close combat is called a ninja anime, its very common and unoriginal.

    Avatar does not have this. All the levels are set out (Water, Earth, Fire) and the goal is set with little chance of changing or extension (defeat firelord/firenation). There is not much focus on training nor on capability, there no one sitting on the side lines of the fight narrating it, There no talk in the show about who is amazingly more power then who, the fights are very very quick (one might say realistic), no one stands there quivering in stupid fear and lets the enemy charge up some amazing new attack or power level, and there are no undefeatable-but-in-the-end-defeated secret abilities.
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    sadist_activst

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    What i like about Avatar is that the characters win battles using their wit and their??not power (-the avatar state) I also like how the show is culturally blended.
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    sadist_activst

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    Crossover.
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    UGamer08

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    sadist_activst wrote:
    What i like about Avatar is that the characters win battles using their wit and their??not power (-the avatar state) I also like how the show is culturally blended.

    That what I like about the Naruto fights. I don't particularly care for that DBZ "beat the crap out of each other till one falls thing." So I enjoyed the practice of implementing trickery and deception into fights. You can almost never tell what's going on till it happens. They've even openly stated numerous times that regardless of how powerful someone is, you can still fall victim to a well-placed ambush. Then you'know, Naruto learned his little signature move thingie and everyon got a buncha godlike powers and well. The fact of the matter is that numerous animes fall victim to certain DBZ cliches (calling attacks, fights lasting too long etc) simply because the show was very foundational. Its not even just DBZ, you can see some Ranma, Sailer Moon, and god knows how many other foundationals. Stuff like that happens to just about everything. Trope, that's what they call it.
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    l33tman92

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    In case you can't tell: (from left to right)
    Jet- Zabuzza
    Haru- Haku
    Zuko- Sasuke
    Mai- Tenten
    Azula- Itachi
    Suki- Temari
    Sokka- Shikamaru
    Ty Lee- Ino
    Katara- Sakura
    Aang- Naruto
    Momo- Pakkun
    Meng- Hinata
    Toph- Neji



    So....then..... who is gara supposed to be?
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    l33tman92

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    sorry about that not being quoted... don't hurt me

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    Tessa-san

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    masterofaeons wrote:
    God, this is gonna be complicated. Hold on to your 404s.
    Tessa-san wrote:
    masterofaeons wrote:
    Not only do I not like Naruto, thier tasteless fans also annoy me. Does the word CULTURE mean anything to you? If I put on Rodney Dangerfeild skit, would you find him humorous or weird? Have you seen anything with an actual plot that wasn't just made with ships baked in an unresolvable plots and dragging conflicts that have no soul? Can you say that Naruto is your all time favorite media entertainment and will love it even when you are an adult with a fully formed brain and a fully budded set of tastebuds?

    Who are you calling tasteless? Culture... well, as far as culture goes, Avatar is the only nick show with any, IMO. It means a considerable amount to me. Rodney Dangerfeild? What does he have to do with anything-- he's foolish. As for the next spewage of crap, an actual plot. What parts of Naruto did you see, because there's all sorts of plots that are in there. There's the Chunin exam. The Zabuza arc. And ships baked in is just a part of life. How many 12 year olds have you met that don't have a crush on someone? I can count on one hand the number I know. Dragging conflicts with no soul... Are you telling me that the deep hatred Sasuke has for his brother is soulless? That his vengeful claim on his brother's head has nothing deep to it? And you contradicted yourself. No plots, then unresolvable ones? I don't see anyone who ever said that Naruto is their favorite show, it certainly isn't mine. However, this is just a matter of opinion.


    First of all, I'm not defending Nickelodeon AT ALL. If you want to start a Nick bashing fest, tag me, I'll go in first. Second, I'm not really defending Avatar as the better show. I'm just saying that Naruto does NOT deserve all the praise it gets. And Rodney Dangerfield is something I threw out there to prove that you guys are young. I'm certain that any fan of Naruto doesn't know anything before 1990. I started Naruto at the beginning - as anyone giving a show a proper chance should - and got to the point where Naruto and the only decent ninja in training defeated the more powerful ninja by using a transformation-jitsu to turn Naruto into a large shuriken, releasing thier mentor and letting him do all of the work. After that, they got on a ship and the show promised me that it would eventually go somewhere. The only characters I liked were the teachers and the boy who could outninja Naruto 1000 times out of 15. The show is about a fox...turned into a useless boy in school. He's surrounded by better characters than he is and of what I saw, he isn't in any real danger. He's Harry Potter, stuck in Hogwarts, watched over by Albus Dumbledore and surrounded by things he can fall back on. I didn't like that as a starting point. The show should begin when he leaves the ninja school - or is forced to learn ninjitsu through one master, in the middle of something pressing. Not a school year. The conflicts that I saw were: Everyone hates Naruto. Cooler kid hates the man with the red eye. Little pink haired McUseless hates being useless, but is about as weak as Yahiko in the beginning of Kenshin. If the story was planning on going somewhere, it took too long. A decent writer can plan something that will catch you up before the third episode. A good writer can hook you fifteen minutes in. If I'm on episode 13 and I'm looking for a reason not to give everything back and give up on the series, it doesn't deserve my attention. I have given Naruto more than a chance and it actually held my attention longer than Bleach (which was like watching extreme paint drying in predictable ways). Okay, I'll give you that I contradicted myself. You can wrap that up and put it under your tree. I'm just generalizing on this. Naruto seems to have conflicts that will resolve only in the last episode. For instance, we'll probably never get to see the Ninetails released and Naruto will also never graduate and become a real ninja. He'll always be training and the story will recycle itself a million times before fading away to nothing.

    In rebuttal, I say: Naruto failed my test. You can embrace it as whatever you want to, but it isn't going to win over anyone with a seriously critical eye and won't be remembered by you or anyone else in six years. So then, what is your favorite show Tessa-san?

    Invader Zim. Call it juvinile, but I think it's the single greatest animated series in the history if cartoons.
    And I know a considerable amount before 1990, you shouldn't make gross over-generalizations about fans of a show. Naruto failed your test, it's your opinion. I was hooked and I came in halfway through the Zabuza arc, which you didn't see all the way through (I started with the manga, which isn't so full of fillers, which also might be a problem for you)
    :
    Okay, and now for the big question: will anyone who isn't a japanese culture obsessed little girl come and defend Naruto? I'm seeing a trend. Between Tessa-SAN and Princess_Sasuke who is learning Japanese through Naruto, I doubt there's more than little girl fans who just wanna see Sasuke bare his soul to the useless ninja girl with pink hair.

    I'm not a Sasuke fangirl. Yes, I think he's an okay character and I really used to be one, but he's an angsty little so-and-so. An emo, if you'd like a lable. I'm in it for the stories. And I don't support pairing in this show. 12 isn't nearly old enough to have more than a crush on somebody.
    I didn't learn Japanese through Naruto, by the way. I don't watch the shows in Japanese, I learned it from my friend Krys, who does.
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    krys8692

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    I'll defend Naruto because I like the plot. I never really liked Sasuke in the beginning anyway. He just seemed... soo... I dunno, like 'oh look at poor tragic me, something happened to change my life so now I don't care about anyone else, just myself'. Somewhat narcissistic and like Tessa-san said, emo. He even has the hair thing going for it. Personally, people are aloud to have opinions and I don't think it's right to challenge people's opinions. If you don't like Naruto, fine, you don't. We don't care. But we do care when you call people 'japanese culture obsessed fan-girls' because that's just not right. Don't label anyone, especially if you don't know them. Labels are for soup cans, not human beings. Also, when you say that kids nowadays don't really know anything since before 1990, you're wrong, because I'm the kind of lazy bum who sits around and surfs the net getting all the information she can about shows when TV was invented. And one more thing, if you're going to say the show is never going to get anywhere, then why don't you read the synopsis' for later shows you haven't seen yet. I faithfully watched Dragon Ball Z, even when it did take Goku like, twenty some odd episodes to get to King Kai's planet. I've been watching shows all throughout, even if I don't like them, just so I know what's going on. The thing that sucks about America, though, is that for things like anime, they dub it and change and then quit it before it can end. So then I have to watch the original version with crappy english subtitles. So sue me for saying that I don't like that fact you're challenging our opinions. If you don't like it, fine. Whatever happened to if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it all? Sorry if I offend you in anyway when you read this, masterofaeons, but point blank, you need to practice what you preech. There, I'm done ranting.
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    krys8692

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    Oh, and sorry, Princess_Sasuke (I'm on your side, honestly, I am) but I'd be much more impressed if you spelled things right. You can ask anyone I know, I live to fix spelling errors. Even if it's romaji spelling errors. Actually, especially romaji spelling errors. It's Kyuubi, genin, chuunin and jounin (so on and so forth) just the little vowels in there. You have the names right, though, which I would have spelled wrong had I not seen them spelled correctly first! Kudos for the name spelling! ^_^
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    masterofaeons

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    Somehow this turned into an intelligent conversation. 10-15 episodes is funny. But I suppose after I go through Bones, I'll watch 15 more Naruto episodes.

    krys8692 wrote:
    I'll defend Naruto because I like the plot. I never really liked Sasuke in the beginning anyway. He just seemed...so...I dunno, like 'oh look at poor tragic me, something happened to change my life so now I don't care about anyone else, just myself'. Somewhat narcissistic and like Tessa-san said, emo. He even has the hair thing going. People are allowed to have thier own opinions though personally, I don't think it's right to challenge the opinions of others. If you don't like Naruto, fine; you don't. We don't care. We DO care when you call people 'japanese culture obsessed fan-girls' because that's its not right. Don't label anyone, especially if you don't know them. Labels are for soup cans, not human beings. Also, when you say that kids nowadays don't really know anything since before 1990, you're wrong, because I'm the kind of lazy bum who sits around and surfs the net getting all the information she can about shows when TV was invented. One last thing, if you're going to say the show is never going to get anywhere, then why don't you read the synopsis' for later shows you haven't seen yet. I faithfully watched Dragon Ball Z, even when it did take Goku like, twenty some odd episodes to get to King Kai's planet. I've been watching shows all throughout, even if I don't like them, just so I know what's going on. The thing that sucks about America, though, is that for things like anime, they dub it and change and then quit it before it can end. So then I have to watch the original version with crappy english subtitles. So sue me for saying that I don't like that fact you're challenging our opinions. If you don't like it, fine. Whatever happened to if you don't have something nice to say, don't say it all? Sorry if I offend you in anyway when you read this, masterofaeons, but point blank, you need to practice what you preach. There, I'm done ranting.


    You're an exception. I agree with you on all of your points, even the ones pointing out my hypocrisy. However, just because people are born with a God given right to thier opinion doesn't mean I wasn't born with the God Given Right to challange that opinion to see how strong it is. And just because you're not exactly the same Sasuke-loving japanese-wannabe that other Naruto fangirls are doesn't disprove the absolute fact that most American viewers of Naruto are girls who just want to watch Sasuke and the useless pink haired girl hook up and have not actually seen anything credible to make Naruto look comparitively seem like a bad show. I've experienced plenty of good media, and Naruto couldn't hold up to the standards I have.

    1. Solid, memorable characters.
    2. An easily identifiable main character we can all relate to in some way and cheer on as he fails, succeeds, learns and faces death, even.
    3. An epic storyline that we get pulled into fairly quickly which involves the main character in a way that makes sense and everyone cares about the outcome.
    4. A good balance of story driven plot, character driven plot and action/humor.
    5. A moving score, hopefully something not distracting but used to enhance the story. Something with a chorus screaming in latin or sanskrit is always a plus.

    Naruto didn't make the cut. Avatar only really proved itself to me around episode 2. Firefly made the cut. Angel made the cut. Eureka made the cut. Smallville made the cut for two seasons before forgetting what the h*** it was trying to do. Trigun and Cowboy Bebop made the cut. Rurouni Kenshin didn't, but I still liked Sanosuke. I put everything through that little wringer and whatever comes out the other side I tattoo on my blubbers and keep with me until it proves it isn't worth my time.

    I'll get back to you in a season of Bones and 15 episodes of Naruto. The subbed, not the dubbed version. Does everyone hate English voice actors as much as I do?
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    Fire_Babe11

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    sadist_activst wrote:
    Very fun.

    lol! ROTF!
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    Fire_Babe11

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    Tessa-san wrote:
    masterofaeons wrote:
    Not only do I not like Naruto, thier tasteless fans also annoy me. Does the word CULTURE mean anything to you? If I put on Rodney Dangerfeild skit, would you find him humorous or weird? Have you seen anything with an actual plot that wasn't just made with ships baked in an unresolvable plots and dragging conflicts that have no soul? Can you say that Naruto is your all time favorite media entertainment and will love it even when you are an adult with a fully formed brain and a fully budded set of tastebuds?

    Who are you calling tasteless? Culture... well, as far as culture goes, Avatar is the only nick show with any, IMO. It means a considerable amount to me. Rodney Dangerfeild? What does he have to do with anything-- he's foolish. As for the next spewage of crap, an actual plot. What parts of Naruto did you see, because there's all sorts of plots that are in there. There's the Chunin exam. The Zabuza arc. And ships baked in is just a part of life. How many 12 year olds have you met that don't have a crush on someone? I can count on one hand the number I know. Dragging conflicts with no soul... Are you telling me that the deep hatred Sasuke has for his brother is soulless? That his vengeful claim on his brother's head has nothing deep to it? And you contradicted yourself. No plots, then unresolvable ones? I don't see anyone who ever said that Naruto is their favorite show, it certainly isn't mine. However, this is just a matter of opinion.

    I agree with you.
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    Fire_Babe11

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    jujutheking wrote:

    Fire_Babe11 wrote:
    NARUTO! I mean come on Just look at the The giant animals The Rasengan(Naruto's Move)Looks just like airbending.I even found a funny pic naming the similairties.Her it is

    Aang doesn't have a spirit inside of him idiot.

    okay?how did i become an idiot for saying similarities.and he pretty much does Avatar Sprit. Plz i suggest you watch?? The Avatar State..... Oh and DON'T call me an Idiot, you don't know me,and *cough* your the one who tried to smack me down on false information.

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    Murraymuzz

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    Fire_Babe11 wrote:
    jujutheking wrote:

    Fire_Babe11 wrote:
    NARUTO! I mean come on Just look at the The giant animals The Rasengan(Naruto's Move)Looks just like airbending.I even found a funny pic naming the similairties.Her it is

    Aang doesn't have a spirit inside of him idiot.

    okay?how did i become an idiot for saying similarities.and he pretty much does Avatar Sprit. Plz i suggest you watch?? The Avatar State..... Oh and DON'T call me an Idiot, you don't know me,and *cough* your the one who tried to smack me down on false information.


    LOL, no spirit, what show have you been watching.
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    UGamer08

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    l33tman92 wrote:


    In case you can't tell: (from left to right)
    Jet- Zabuzza
    Haru- Haku
    Zuko- Sasuke
    Mai- Tenten
    Azula- Itachi
    Suki- Temari
    Sokka- Shikamaru
    Ty Lee- Ino
    Katara- Sakura
    Aang- Naruto
    Momo- Pakkun
    Meng- Hinata
    Toph- Neji

    So....then..... who is gara supposed to be?

    Right here- http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/40320653/ Another emoticon.??

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    Princess_Sasuke

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    Ok, I'm sorry, but this thread is supposed to be about the similarities between Naruto and Avatar, not all you haters haten' on us Kyuubi lovers! Things that are cool, but have probably??already been noticed!

    1.) Naruto and Aang both wear orange. But, Aang's offit is soooo much more cooler then that stupid orange jumpsuit Naruto wears. *Shakes head* I'm just glad he burns that stupid rag after the time skip!!

    2.) Both Aang, Sasuke, and Naruto have 'Tattoos'. Aang has the arrows, Sasuke has the curse mark and seal, and Naruto has the kitty lines on his face, and the curse seal on his stomach.

    3.) The main character girls (Katara and Sakura) are healers.

    4.) GIANT ANIMALS THEY RIDE AROUND ON!! Aang has his large flying bison, Appa, and Naruto has his huge talking toad (Lord, let me spell this right) Gamabunta. (Yes! I spelled that right!! w00t!)

    5.) Crazy, not-so-smart-guys. Sokka and Naruto. Or, Sokka and Lee (.........Gai-sensei! Lee! Gai-Sensei! Lee! *Hugging, cheesy love music, random wave crashing in the backround*) Or, Sokka and Kiba. Actually, it could be Sokka and any of the guys!

    6.) Players. Sokka and Jiraya! (Although, Jiraya takes the word 'Player' to an all new, perverted level....)

    7.) Powerful, sometime silly teachers. Kakashi and Iroh. Both has silver/grey hair (even though Kakashi's 26...........) And are very powerful, and sometimes, really rather funny! Hehehehe, o! And obsessed with whatever the writers gave them to be obsessed with! Iroh-Tea, Kakashi-perverted books written by Jiraya.

    8.) Earth, water, air, firebenders. Firebenders-Sasuke, (Is Itachi one as well?) Kakashi, since he can copy??almost any??jutsu. Air-Zaku, Temari. Water-Zabuza, and Kakashi, since he can copy??almost any??jutsu. Earth-Gaara-sama!!!! And, didn't Zaku bend the earth in the Forest of Death to save Dosu from Lee's hidden lotus trick? Or did he just send his air currents into the ground?

    9.) Time limits. Aang has until the end of the summer to stop Ozai, Naruto, Sakura, Kiba, Hinata, Shino, Shikamaru, Ino, Choji, Tenten, Neji, Lee, Gaara, Temari, Kankuro, Kakashi, Kurenai, Asuma, Jiraya,??Shez-u-nay (Sorry, I know I spelled it wrong, but??it keeps cencoring it!)the Akatsuki, and the ANBU have three years to save Sasuke from the Michel Jackson impersonator, Orichimaru.

    10.)Evil prodogiy sibilings. Zuko has Azula, and Sasuke has Itachi. No offense Zuko, but I think Sauke as it worse. Itachi killed Sasuke's parents, and although Azula needs to rot away, she never killed anyone (That we know of......)

    There you are! 10 reasons how they're the same!!

    Edited on 11/10/2006 6:01am
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    UGamer08

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    Eh, some are closer to home than others. (Sokka's not smart? Depends on what you, ah)??Here's one, recently (in the manga anyway) Naruto has learned what his nature of chakra is. The five elemental-based??affinities??are Fire, Water, Earth, Wind and Lightning. People with the affinity for Wind are very rare, almost??to the point of extinction. ...Yeah, just go aheand and guess which one his is.??
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    Princess_Sasuke

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    O, Im just gonna guess at this one, Wind? But then, what about Temari and Zaku!? Temari has that wicked awesome fan, and Zaku had?? (You know, before Sarutobi killed him) the air current holes in his hand!?? Are they just dieing out? 0.0 Does that mean temari'll die? Cause she can't! Gaara's the one who dies! Jeez, poor Kankuro! Sibiling-less.
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    masterofaeons

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    They both have annoying female companions that are so full of spunk it's annoying. *Draws a black and white version of inner Katara, screaming "Hell yeah"*
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    jujutheking

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    masterofaeons wrote:
    God, this is gonna be complicated. Hold on to your 404s.
    Tessa-san wrote:
    masterofaeons wrote:
    Not only do I not like Naruto, thier tasteless fans also annoy me. Does the word CULTURE mean anything to you? If I put on Rodney Dangerfeild skit, would you find him humorous or weird? Have you seen anything with an actual plot that wasn't just made with ships baked in an unresolvable plots and dragging conflicts that have no soul? Can you say that Naruto is your all time favorite media entertainment and will love it even when you are an adult with a fully formed brain and a fully budded set of tastebuds?
    Who are you calling tasteless? Culture... well, as far as culture goes, Avatar is the only nick show with any, IMO. It means a considerable amount to me. Rodney Dangerfeild? What does he have to do with anything-- he's foolish. As for the next spewage of crap, an actual plot. What parts of Naruto did you see, because there's all sorts of plots that are in there. There's the Chunin exam. The Zabuza arc. And ships baked in is just a part of life. How many 12 year olds have you met that don't have a crush on someone? I can count on one hand the number I know. Dragging conflicts with no soul... Are you telling me that the deep hatred Sasuke has for his brother is soulless? That his vengeful claim on his brother's head has nothing deep to it? And you contradicted yourself. No plots, then unresolvable ones? I don't see anyone who ever said that Naruto is their favorite show, it certainly isn't mine. However, this is just a matter of opinion.
    First of all, I'm not defending Nickelodeon AT ALL. If you want to start a Nick bashing fest, tag me, I'll go in first. Second, I'm not really defending Avatar as the better show. I'm just saying that Naruto does NOT deserve all the praise it gets. And Rodney Dangerfield is something I threw out there to prove that you guys are young. I'm certain that any fan of Naruto doesn't know anything before 1990. I started Naruto at the beginning - as anyone giving a show a proper chance should - and got to the point where Naruto and the only decent ninja in training defeated the more powerful ninja by using a transformation-jitsu to turn Naruto into a large shuriken, releasing thier mentor and letting him do all of the work. After that, they got on a ship and the show promised me that it would eventually go somewhere. The only characters I liked were the teachers and the boy who could outninja Naruto 1000 times out of 15. The show is about a fox...turned into a useless boy in school. He's surrounded by better characters than he is and of what I saw, he isn't in any real danger. He's Harry Potter, stuck in Hogwarts, watched over by Albus Dumbledore and surrounded by things he can fall back on. I didn't like that as a starting point. The show should begin when he leaves the ninja school - or is forced to learn ninjitsu through one master, in the middle of something pressing. Not a school year. The conflicts that I saw were: Everyone hates Naruto. Cooler kid hates the man with the red eye. Little pink haired McUseless hates being useless, but is about as weak as Yahiko in the beginning of Kenshin. If the story was planning on going somewhere, it took too long. A decent writer can plan something that will catch you up before the third episode. A good writer can hook you fifteen minutes in. If I'm on episode 13 and I'm looking for a reason not to give everything back and give up on the series, it doesn't deserve my attention. I have given Naruto more than a chance and it actually held my attention longer than Bleach (which was like watching extreme paint drying in predictable ways). Okay, I'll give you that I contradicted myself. You can wrap that up and put it under your tree. I'm just generalizing on this. Naruto seems to have conflicts that will resolve only in the last episode. For instance, we'll probably never get to see the Ninetails released and Naruto will also never graduate and become a real ninja. He'll always be training and the story will recycle itself a million times before fading away to nothing. In rebuttal, I say: Naruto failed my test. You can embrace it as whatever you want to, but it isn't going to win over anyone with a seriously critical eye and won't be remembered by you or anyone else in six years. So then, what is your favorite show Tessa-san?
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    Not only do I not like Naruto, thier tasteless fans also annoy me. Something something, blah blah, I love my voice, I am cool...of tastebuds?
    Excuse me? Back down! Naruto is my 2nd favorite show!! (*coughs* my name?? Princess_Sasuke??? DUH??) Naruto has a lot of culture! I watch it on youtube.com in the Japanese, so I'm not only watching a rather hilarious show, but also learning Japanese!! w00t! And the worlds are made up, so they have their own culture!! It's good, give it a chance. (Sides, Sasuke is just like Zuko! Fire breathing, hating their prodigy siblings, living under doubt!)
    By culture I mean having something tangible to keep with you; like a moral or something you'll remember all of your life, like the way the Imperial March made you shudder as a kid, the way you felt when Peter Pan first flew and your brought Tink to life by clapping, or something that enriches you in a way that justifies your veiwing in any way that isn't "I'm wasting time and feeling fun". TV and other medias are an (debatable, yes) art form. I judge them as such because they mean something. The shows that mean nothing are just when someone has painted a canvas turquoise and put it up next to a light blue matte. I'm going to be harsh on Naruto just as I was harsh on Avatar, harsh on Angel, harsh on The Facts of Life, harsh on M*A*S*H and harsh on Cheers. If you don't want me to be harsh on it, then have someone make a petition to get Naruto exempted as a form of media. I gave it a chance already. It only gets one. What's your favorite show? Okay, and now for the big question: will anyone who isn't a japanese culture obsessed little girl come and defend Naruto? I'm seeing a trend. Between Tessa-SAN and Princess_Sasuke who is learning Japanese through Naruto, I doubt there's more than little girl fans who just wanna see Sasuke bare his soul to the useless ninja girl with pink hair.

    I love naruto and i am not a fan girl???U think only girls watch naruto?More boys watch it then girls.

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