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iroh vs zuko.

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    Dawrel

    [101]Jan 15, 2008
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    I think it's possible that Zuko could've killed Ozai, not because of strength, but because of surprise. Now that Ozai know Zuko can redirect lightning, however, Zuko doesn't have a chance.
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    Valin610

    [102]Jan 15, 2008
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    Prince-Jayson wrote:
    Valin610 wrote:
    Prince-Jayson wrote:
    Valin610 wrote:
    Prince-Jayson wrote:
    stump2790 wrote:
    Prince-Jayson wrote:
    Valin610 wrote:
    Prince-Jayson wrote:
    WiseIroh wrote:
    Zuzu could probably beat azula now, because now that he understads the true meaning of Firebending, on a duel with azula shes goign to get embarassed and loose her power and strugle just like zuko did, Azula's firebending comes from her arrogance to be better than anyone,but once she ses zuzu surpasing her shes going to soil herself.
    Arrogance?! Forget that. Zuko bends off of rage! Perfect for when Sozin's comet hits.

    Have you not watched the most recent episode? Also, what makes you think he can "beat his father without breaking a sweat"?
    DOBS, check it out, it's crazy!


    Zuko knocked him down he didn't beat him.
    He wanted to do that, he knew what he was doing. He could have easily hit him in the cranium or something...


    As Iroh has said before, you do not control the lightning, but only be it's guide. Zuko wasn't "wanting" to do anything besides send it back.
    Well his generation will be the first to control it...

    If you think so.
    How bout when Azula hit aang out the sky, guide huh?

    If she could control where it went, I think she would have hit him somewhere else that directly ensued his death. (Maybe like "his cranium" or so you think Zuko should have done to his father.)
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    _Iroh_

    [103]Jan 15, 2008
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    It's very simple. Iroh explained it in Bitter Work. Valin610 touched on it, but misinterpreted. Iroh meant that you are not the lightning's master. you cannot control it as you can control fire, e.g. juggling it, maintaining it, etc. you can only guide it in the direction you wish it to go. Zuko purposely didn't hit his father; he didn't want to kill him. He only wanted Ozai to know that Zuko wasn't to be messed with. Concerning Azula's shot at Aang; she wanted to kill him. She did. She wasn't counting on Katara with her spirit oasis water. she aimed for the mass of Aang's body, as it is easiest to do so. [/argument]
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    tomtitan

    [104]Jan 15, 2008
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    _Iroh_ wrote:
    It's very simple. Iroh explained it in Bitter Work. Valin610 touched on it, but misinterpreted. Iroh meant that you are not the lightning's master. you cannot control it as you can control fire, e.g. juggling it, maintaining it, etc. you can only guide it in the direction you wish it to go. Zuko purposely didn't hit his father; he didn't want to kill him. He only wanted Ozai to know that Zuko wasn't to be messed with. Concerning Azula's shot at Aang; she wanted to kill him. She did. She wasn't counting on Katara with her spirit oasis water. she aimed for the mass of Aang's body, as it is easiest to do so. [/argument]

    ...still think it was pretty stupid of zuko not to kill ozai in DOBS, i mean, he was there, he had his broadswords, they were both bendingless, and he makes up some random crap about it being aang's destiny to beat ozai, WTF? all it would've taken was a quick stab to the stomach and presto! war over!

    i get this would've ruined the show but MDD and BK really shouldn't have set up the position where zuko was capable of doing that.
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    _Iroh_

    [105]Jan 15, 2008
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    lol i know what you mean. But as you said, that would ruin Zuko's whole destiny theme. (which he learned from Iroh.) I hardly think Iroh would tell Zuko, "your destiny is to kill your father". Not to mention Aang wouldn't have a purpose anymore.
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    tomtitan

    [106]Jan 15, 2008
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    _Iroh_ wrote:
    lol i know what you mean. But as you said, that would ruin Zuko's whole destiny theme. (which he learned from Iroh.) I hardly think Iroh would tell Zuko, "your destiny is to kill your father". Not to mention Aang wouldn't have a purpose anymore.
    plus nick wouldn't allow it, plus it would end the series etc.. but my point still stands that MDD and BK shouldn't have put him in a position where he could do that.

    btw. when did you join the GTP? it's always good to have more people looking out for grammar! (people who don't take pedanticism to a whole new level like some people *points accusingly at a certain person with a pun in his name*)

    Edited on 01/15/2008 10:37am
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    _Iroh_

    [107]Jan 15, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    _Iroh_ wrote:
    lol i know what you mean. But as you said, that would ruin Zuko's whole destiny theme. (which he learned from Iroh.) I hardly think Iroh would tell Zuko, "your destiny is to kill your father". Not to mention Aang wouldn't have a purpose anymore.

    plus nick wouldn't allow it, plus it would end the series etc..
    but my point still stands that MDD and BK shouldn't have put him in a position where he could do that.
    shouldn't have put him in a position to kill his father? you bewilder me... whatevs. btw, i posted a dub for your thread...
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    avrurakinninami

    [108]Jan 15, 2008
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    Prince-Jayson wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Prince-Jayson wrote:
    Zuko is stronger than Iroh, more quicker than Iroh, agile, mobile, and can even beat his father without breaking a sweat.

    Obiwan=Iroh vs Anakin=Zuko


    Do I have to remind you that Obiwan win the battle against Anakin ? O.o
    But you did see how persistent he was, and how much stronger he was.


    (.....)
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    stump2790

    [109]Jan 15, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    _Iroh_ wrote:
    It's very simple. Iroh explained it in Bitter Work. Valin610 touched on it, but misinterpreted. Iroh meant that you are not the lightning's master. you cannot control it as you can control fire, e.g. juggling it, maintaining it, etc. you can only guide it in the direction you wish it to go. Zuko purposely didn't hit his father; he didn't want to kill him. He only wanted Ozai to know that Zuko wasn't to be messed with. Concerning Azula's shot at Aang; she wanted to kill him. She did. She wasn't counting on Katara with her spirit oasis water. she aimed for the mass of Aang's body, as it is easiest to do so. [/argument]

    ...still think it was pretty stupid of zuko not to kill ozai in DOBS, i mean, he was there, he had his broadswords, they were both bendingless, and he makes up some random crap about it being aang's destiny to beat ozai, WTF? all it would've taken was a quick stab to the stomach and presto! war over!

    i get this would've ruined the show but MDD and BK really shouldn't have set up the position where zuko was capable of doing that.


    Ozai still could have beaten Zuko. He's incredibly muscular and he could have easily knocked one of the swords out of his hand
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    avrurakinninami

    [110]Jan 15, 2008
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    stump2790 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    _Iroh_ wrote:
    It's very simple. Iroh explained it in Bitter Work. Valin610 touched on it, but misinterpreted. Iroh meant that you are not the lightning's master. you cannot control it as you can control fire, e.g. juggling it, maintaining it, etc. you can only guide it in the direction you wish it to go. Zuko purposely didn't hit his father; he didn't want to kill him. He only wanted Ozai to know that Zuko wasn't to be messed with. Concerning Azula's shot at Aang; she wanted to kill him. She did. She wasn't counting on Katara with her spirit oasis water. she aimed for the mass of Aang's body, as it is easiest to do so. [/argument]

    ...still think it was pretty stupid of zuko not to kill ozai in DOBS, i mean, he was there, he had his broadswords, they were both bendingless, and he makes up some random crap about it being aang's destiny to beat ozai, WTF? all it would've taken was a quick stab to the stomach and presto! war over!

    i get this would've ruined the show but MDD and BK really shouldn't have set up the position where zuko was capable of doing that.


    Ozai still could have beaten Zuko. He's incredibly muscular and he could have easily knocked one of the swords out of his hand


    Pfft, I dont think so, Zuko is the best swordman.
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    Sektos

    [111]Jan 15, 2008
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    It should be noted that there was little time with the Solar eclipse, so if we Assume Ozai can hold his own without bending (ZUko wouldf*cking kick his ASZ ) then the sun could have reappeared before the end of the fight. Add to that just outside the door was roughly TEN royal FN gaurds.
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    misterham

    [112]Jan 15, 2008
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    if zuko can't even touch azula with flaming daggers, i'm sure he wouldn't be able to kill his father with broadswords
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    WiseLad

    [113]Jan 16, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    if zuko can't even touch azula with flaming daggers, i'm sure he wouldn't be able to kill his father with broadswords
    from his smirk, I deduce that he would have been able to at least defend himself from the swords, and probably Ozai has good sword skills
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    Sektos

    [114]Jan 16, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    if zuko can't even touch azula with flaming daggers, i'm sure he wouldn't be able to kill his father with broadswords


    But that was a different style from when he is with his dual-swords, which are also longer. Plus he has improved ALOT since then.
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    blueboy_121

    [115]Jan 16, 2008
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    WiseLad wrote:
    misterham wrote:
    if zuko can't even touch azula with flaming daggers, i'm sure he wouldn't be able to kill his father with broadswords
    from his smirk, I deduce that he would have been able to at least defend himself from the swords, and probably Ozai has good sword skills


    u shudnt discout zuko's victoryover the fire lord's admiral, the hed of the army is supposed 2 b strong but zuko whooopd his a** and dat was b4 the improvement and trainin with the dragons so zuko shud b able 2 send azula's over large ego 4 a spin........
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    Shaolin-Warrior

    [116]Jan 16, 2008
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    zuko can beat iroh any day.
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    stump2790

    [117]Jan 16, 2008
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    blueboy_121 wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:
    misterham wrote:
    if zuko can't even touch azula with flaming daggers, i'm sure he wouldn't be able to kill his father with broadswords
    from his smirk, I deduce that he would have been able to at least defend himself from the swords, and probably Ozai has good sword skills


    u shudnt discout zuko's victoryover the fire lord's admiral, the hed of the army is supposed 2 b strong but zuko whooopd his a** and dat was b4 the improvement and trainin with the dragons so zuko shud b able 2 send azula's over large ego 4 a spin........


    I take it English isn't your first language. Zhao only has blind power. It was shown in the Avatar State that he is a horrible strategist.
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    misterham

    [118]Jan 16, 2008
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    ok i have a question that's been confusing me for a while: how exactly did aang and zuko get stronger from gaining knowledge that firebending is life and gaining a new drive
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    avrurakinninami

    [119]Jan 16, 2008
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    misterham wrote:
    ok i have a question that's been confusing me for a while: how exactly did aang and zuko get stronger from gaining knowledge that firebending is life and gaining a new drive


    Because the source of their knowledge is not the " rage " anymore but the authentic source, " the life " ... sort of
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    misterham

    [120]Jan 18, 2008
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    but if rage fire is weaker, why is azula's the hottest

    and i never heard anyone in the episode say anything about the "real" way of firebending being stronger. if someone else finds a quote, can you quote it?
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