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If Zuko could change the events leading to his banishment, would he?

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    qweasdzse

    [21]Aug 13, 2006
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    Colonel_Brian wrote:

    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    I see Zuko's out brst was pretty stupid but I think the General's suggestion was very disgracful he shouldn't plan to sacrafice a divison even if it was probably denied it was still low and scum.
    yeah, but it probably wasn't denied. azulon might have said no, but ozai? full steam ahead!
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    As said by a great man "War is Hell." and a century long war will make people do terrible things to make it come to an end.
    yeah, but it's not like thay were desperate. they just wanted to crack a few earth bender skulls. it's not like they were trying to stop the suffering or some noble thing like that. they just wanted to win. in keeping with the use of military cliches, "all's fair in love and war". although i don't think the 41st division of the fire nation army would agree.

    Well theres always lieing and when you find out you're in the heart of the war.

    Brians been to war before?

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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [22]Aug 13, 2006
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    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    yeah, but it's not like thay were desperate. they just wanted to crack a few earth bender skulls. it's not like they were trying to stop the suffering or some noble thing like that. they just wanted to win.

    Since we know little to nothing about why the war started we can't assume the the FN didn't have a noble or desperate reason for starting the war but when you are in a war for a long time you start to forget why you started it and all you want to do is win. But is just wanting to win a bad thing? I don't think so. Sacrificing soldiers to gain an advantage may be seen as wrong or horrible but every powerful country has done that exact same thing in order to win. Think long term let's say you don't want to??sacrifice people in order to win...The war will last for years and years and in the end more people will have died in the extended war then would have been in the sacrifice.

    "You try not to get anybody killed you wind up getting everybody killed."

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    FreakishChild

    [23]Aug 13, 2006
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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:

    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    yeah, but it's not like thay were desperate. they just wanted to crack a few earth bender skulls. it's not like they were trying to stop the suffering or some noble thing like that. they just wanted to win.

    Since we know little to nothing about why the war started we can't assume the the FN didn't have a noble or desperate reason for starting the war but when you are in a war for a long time you start to forget why you started it and all you want to do is win. But is just wanting to win a bad thing? I don't think so. Sacrificing soldiers to gain an advantage may be seen as wrong or horrible but every powerful country has done that exact same thing in order to win. Think long term let's say you don't want to sacrifice people in order to win...The war will last for years and years and in the end more people will have died in the extended war then would have been in the sacrifice.

    "You try not to get anybody killed you wind up getting everybody killed."



    It's one thing to let your men fight with the possibility of death hanging over them, it's quite another to intentionally lead them to the slaughter house.
    Edited on 08/13/2006 7:34am
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    Colonel_Brian

    [24]Aug 13, 2006
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    FreakishChild wrote:
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:

    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    yeah, but it's not like thay were desperate. they just wanted to crack a few earth bender skulls. it's not like they were trying to stop the suffering or some noble thing like that. they just wanted to win.

    Since we know little to nothing about why the war started we can't assume the the FN didn't have a noble or desperate reason for starting the war but when you are in a war for a long time you start to forget why you started it and all you want to do is win. But is just wanting to win a bad thing? I don't think so. Sacrificing soldiers to gain an advantage may be seen as wrong or horrible but every powerful country has done that exact same thing in order to win. Think long term let's say you don't want to sacrifice people in order to win...The war will last for years and years and in the end more people will have died in the extended war then would have been in the sacrifice.

    "You try not to get anybody killed you wind up getting everybody killed."



    It's one thing to let your men fight with the possibility of death hanging over them, it's quite another to intentionally lead them to the slaughter house.

    Exactly but I don't see the point in sacrificing new recruiters if there weak they would be dead in a few days or hours you can do you're best by not killing off everyone but it seems what you're saying is that it's necessary.

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