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Hypothetical; What would you do for book 4? (If there was a book 4)

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    LondonParisNYC

    [21]Jul 22, 2008
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    1). for the pure sake of drama, i'd have a character death to induce Katara back into a dark and isolated state

    2). Aang, being all young and pure and such, wouldn't understand her grief, mistake it as anger, and they would break-up

    3). zuko, being all understanding of angst and hard ship, (and because he's a teeange boy), would come to Katara's side and they would like hook-up, have an affair, whatttev.

    4). they would realize that their relationship although steamy, would never work just because they we're better at friends, and only in it for the physical aspect

    5). Katara would find a nice guy whose not Aang, and whose her age so she's not the biggest cougar in the world.

    THE END

    is there a plot? no. it would just make me happy as a hard-core zutara fan xD

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    LondonParisNYC

    [22]Jul 22, 2008
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    Teranef wrote:

    *Finale Spoilers below*

    - 1 episode finding Ursa

    - 1 episode dealing with Azula in prison

    - 1 episode dealing with a Fire Nation prison in which the gaurds remain loyal to Ozai and try to kill off its prisoners before they are released, and Aang plays a crucial part in stopping them.

    - 1 episode dealing with a political assassin trying to take Zuko's life

    - 1 episode dealing with a vengeful group of vigilantes trying to kill ex-FN generals and soldiers

    - 1 or perhaps several episodes dealing with the FN civillians question the power and good of Zuko, still believing Ozai's propaganda and they have to be convinced otherwise

    - 1 or 2 episodes concerning Aang teaching a non-bender air bending forms and tecniques so that, even though he's a non-bender, he can aid in preserving the art of airbending even if he never manages to have air nation kids to teach. Or he could teach Katara the moves; that'd be good to.

    - 1 episode concerning a terrorist group of Ozai loyalists

    - 1 episode concerning the recovery of Air temple relics, perhaps with flashbacks to life at the air temples

    - 1 episode concerning helping some refugees find loved ones or a specific loved one

    - 1 episode concerning the earth king and bringing him back to Ba Seng Sei

    - 1 general aftermath episode concerning everything from homeless people who no longer have families to cities who no longer have leaders after being Fire Nation for so long but no more to general physical rebuilding

    - 1 concerning the rebuilding of the Southern Water tribe

    - 1 concerning an Earth Kingdom city in which any Fire Nation citizen who entered would be arrested and thrown in jail

    - 1 Fire Nation colony who refuses to release its grip on an earth kingdom town, standing against the ending of the war

    - Finale episodes concerning an evil FNl general, perhaps one from the previously mentioned prison episode, and his plot to break out Ozai and Azula and overthrow Zuko much like the Dai Li planned to do after Long Feng was arrested.

    There's definitely enough material for a book 4 Air

    wayyyyyyyyyyy too many complicated plot line for each episode. a couple should be fillers, or continuations.

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    LondonParisNYC

    [23]Jul 22, 2008
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    Darth_Bro wrote:

    ehhh if I wrote it

    Zuko would break Azula out of Jail to look for their mother, and there would definatley be some Zutara , im not a zutara fan but It would be cool if they had just kissed or something, just not end up together

    Maybe Aang could find out that there's actually another Airbender in the world besides him and go's to look for him/her

    Azula's phyco and making another airbender would ruin Aang's character because that's part of his sense of independent, and one of the only sorces of true sorrow not undertood by others.

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    Teranef

    [24]Jul 23, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Teranef wrote:

    *Finale Spoilers below*

    - 1 episode finding Ursa

    - 1 episode dealing with Azula in prison

    - 1 episode dealing with a vengeful group of vigilantes trying to kill ex-FN generals and soldiers

    - 1 or perhaps several episodes dealing with the FN civillians question the power and good of Zuko, still believing Ozai's propaganda and they have to be convinced otherwise

    - 1 or 2 episodes concerning Aang teaching a non-bender air bending forms and tecniques so that, even though he's a non-bender, he can aid in preserving the art of airbending even if he never manages to have air nation kids to teach. Or he could teach Katara the moves; that'd be good to.

    - 1 episode concerning a terrorist group of Ozai loyalists

    - 1 episode concerning the recovery of Air temple relics, perhaps with flashbacks to life at the air temples

    - 1 episode concerning helping some refugees find loved ones or a specific loved one

    - 1 episode concerning the earth king and bringing him back to Ba Seng Sei

    - 1 general aftermath episode concerning everything from homeless people who no longer have families to cities who no longer have leaders after being Fire Nation for so long but no more to general physical rebuilding

    - 1 concerning the rebuilding of the Southern Water tribe

    - 1 concerning an Earth Kingdom city in which any Fire Nation citizen who entered would be arrested and thrown in jail

    - 1 Fire Nation colony who refuses to release its grip on an earth kingdom town, standing against the ending of the war

    - Finale episodes concerning an evil FNl general, perhaps one from the previously mentioned prison episode, and his plot to break out Ozai and Azula and overthrow Zuko much like the Dai Li planned to do after Long Feng was arrested.

    There's definitely enough material for a book 4 Air

    wayyyyyyyyyyy too many complicated plot line for each episode. a couple should be fillers, or continuations.

    I was thinking the southern water tribe episode could be light and simple enough to act as a filler episode. It would just show southern water benders returning to the tribe, building new buildings, maybe working on a little construction project like a palace. Also, there could be another light episode about a spirit that's angry with the FN villagers of a town for something that happened in war time. Yeah, I know, it's not really filler and it's kinda similar to the Spirit World episode . . . but it'd be similar in theme (saving a village) to The Painted Lady which is considered filler. The Air Temple Relic episode would just be like The Storm except focusing completely on just Aang. The FN civillian relations episode as well as either the FN colony or FN prison episodes could be two parters. Perhaps the vengeful vigilante episode could be taken out and instead of an Earth king episode the Earth king just returns during the Azula episode. Maybe instead of an anti-FN Earth Kingdom village episode, Zuko returns to that village in Zuko Alone and gains that family's trust and forgiveness . . . or maybe not, with him being fire lord and all and with important duties. I just wanted an episode dealing with distrust and bitter feelings towards the FN from the other nations, but that may not be nessacary
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    LondonParisNYC

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    Teranef wrote:
    I was thinking the southern water tribe episode could be light and simple enough to act as a filler episode. It would just show southern water benders returning to the tribe, building new buildings, maybe working on a little construction project like a palace. Also, there could be another light episode about a spirit that's angry with the FN villagers of a town for something that happened in peace time. Yeah, I know, it's not really filler and it's kinda similar to the Spirit World episode . . . but it'd be similar in theme (saving a village) to The Painted Lady which is considered filler. The Air Temple Relic episode would just be like The Storm except focusing completely on just Aang. The FN civillian relations episode as well as either the FN colony or FN prison episodes could be two parters. Perhaps the vengeful vigilante episode could be taken out and instead of an Earth king episode the Earth king just returns during the Azula episode. Maybe instead of an anti-FN Earth Kingdom village episode, Zuko returns to that village in Zuko Alone and gains that family's trust and forgiveness . . . or maybe not, with him being fire lord and all and with important duties. I just wanted an episode dealing with distrust and bitter feelings towards the FN from the other nations, but that may not be nessacary

    wow, first you just sucesfully confuzed the crap out of me lol. Second, all of the episode topics you listed are intense and in-depth. From a writer's stand point, it's very difficult creating that many intricate merging plotlines from episode to another. Also some episodes would need to be devoted to character development and character relationship development.

    Edited on 07/23/2008 12:29am
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    Teranef

    [26]Jul 23, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Teranef wrote:
    I was thinking the southern water tribe episode could be light and simple enough to act as a filler episode. It would just show southern water benders returning to the tribe, building new buildings, maybe working on a little construction project like a palace. Also, there could be another light episode about a spirit that's angry with the FN villagers of a town for something that happened in peace time. Yeah, I know, it's not really filler and it's kinda similar to the Spirit World episode . . . but it'd be similar in theme (saving a village) to The Painted Lady which is considered filler. The Air Temple Relic episode would just be like The Storm except focusing completely on just Aang. The FN civillian relations episode as well as either the FN colony or FN prison episodes could be two parters. Perhaps the vengeful vigilante episode could be taken out and instead of an Earth king episode the Earth king just returns during the Azula episode. Maybe instead of an anti-FN Earth Kingdom village episode, Zuko returns to that village in Zuko Alone and gains that family's trust and forgiveness . . . or maybe not, with him being fire lord and all and with important duties. I just wanted an episode dealing with distrust and bitter feelings towards the FN from the other nations, but that may not be nessacary

    wow, first you just sucesfully confuzed the crap out of me lol. Second, all of the episode topics you listed are intense and in-depth. From a writer's stand point, it's very difficult creating that many intricate merging plotlines from episode to another. Also some episodes would need to be devoted to character development and character relationship development.

    I was imagining it being like season 1 where the gAang just goes from town to town without it all merging into 1 flowing story like season 2 did. But you raise some good.

    And that crap had to come out; the best method was to confuse it out of you. You are now detoxified.

    How many episodes do you imagine the FN civillians questioning Zuko episodes taking? How about some of my other intricate plots like the FN colony refusing to give up its hold on a city?

    Also, some of my ideas could not be full episodes, but just briefly mentioned, like a general reporting that one FN prison was remaining loyal to Ozai and refusing to give up its war prisoners but the FN military had just taken control of it and released the captives, instead of a whole episode dedicated to it. Same with the Ozai loyalist group. That could be a general's report as well.

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    skye3001

    [27]Jul 23, 2008
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    Undead_Prince wrote:

    Personally I believe Avatar is BEGGING for a fourth book. Besides it being a hit show with a loyal fan base, it also has many loose ends and plot hooks to make a very interesting season. Teranef summed up much of the leftover material; of itself, it would be enough for a couple of good "aftermath" episodes (finding Ursa and confronting her with Azula as the #1 plot), and fine background filler for the rest. However, it just doesn't stand up on its own as the backbone of an entire season.

    No, considering what has been done in Books 1-3, and the power achieved by the characters, Book 4 would have to be really spectacular, but go off in a new way (i.e. no crazed firebenders as main villains).

    Here's what we have by the end of Book 3 (and seriously, if you haven't already seen the finale, what are you doing here?):

    1. Aang can enter Avatar State at will;

    2. Trans-national order of the Masters, which might as well include Zuko, Katara & Toph;

    3. Fire Nation defeated, their greatest generals/benders either dead, imprisoned, or defected;

    4. Spirit-bending.

    I think that for Book 4, Spirit bending would have been a great central theme. We have only seen a glimpse of it, but it's obviously immensely powerful and able to subvert even the most powerful bender by strength of will. We know it can take away bending skill/talent, but judging from the name, it could also be conceived to do a variety of other things, such as: returning the bending that was taken away; granting powers to people previously devoid of them; or even mental domination (think bloodbending on a mental level).

    A great foil to the mighty gAang would have been someone able to use Spirit bending for evil purposes.

    As this art has been forgotten ever since the first Avatar, only the spirits probably have any knowledge of it.

    Of all spirits, the most sinister was Koh; he's also said to be one of the most ancient, possibly predating the Avatars. Sure, he didn't use any Spirit bending on Aang; but then again, bending doesn't work in the Spirit world, so to use it, he'd have to incarnate in the material world.

    Koh is also powerful in his own right ??? he's probably a shapeshifter, able to turn into anyone whose face he stole. He's also probably more evil than Ozai ??? a creature of pure darkness and malice, ever hungry for fresh souls (or bodies?) to feed his appetite, yet intelligent enough to conceive a plot that would harm the world more than Ozai's plan ??? perhaps, to turn all humans into vicious predators under his control, consume their spirit energy, and set up himself as the new God/Avatar.

    Combined, Spirit-bending and shapeshifting would create a very powerful opponent who could easily play to the weaknesses of the gAang ??? they are very strong in terms of brute force, but lack any sort of clairvoyance to track a stealthy, shapeshifting villain who uses mental domination to corrupt innocents into evil thralls. He could also free Ozai & Azula, and with the Fire Lord's bending back, these two would make great lieutenants / secondary villains, rallying some of the Fire Nation army. It would also add tension to Azula's character, who at that point might have been visited by Ursa, Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee, and would arrive at similar crossroads as Zuko in seasons 2-3. And it would give some angst to Aang, who would consider whether they were right to let Fire Nation evildoers live, now that the criminals have escaped and are at large again, as well as what to do with the new unknown menace.

    Go Book 4: Spirit!



    This would be OK with me. I'm against a season 4, personally, because Aang has already "mastered" the Avatar state, and can now use its power at will, signified when he used "the glow" to put out the fires at the end of the finale. He's extremely powerful, now, and Zuko is fire lord. If you had another villain, it would cheapen the ending for me, because to say that the AVATAR can't stop him after everything he's now capable of doing is bogus. On the other hand, I wouldn't feel cheapened if the next villain was extraordinarily powerful and not from the Avatar's world. The spirit world would be perfect, since there are so many powerful beings in the spirit world whose powers are unexplored. They could PWN aang even with his avatar state. Of course, this leads a debate as to how he's ever going to stop one of them. But back to the original point, the only way I'd want a book 4 that involved the GAang would have to be with somebody from the spirit world. Aang's too powerful and having somebody from the normal world would just cheapen his extraordinary avatar powers.
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    Undead_Prince

    [28]Jul 23, 2008
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    You're absolutely right, Book 4 should really be on a wholly different level than the previous books. In terms of mastery of elements, Aang is very powerful. But he's also a 14-year-old boy, and really his power is nothing more than the ability to pound to dust some obvious physical threat.

    Now if the enemy is:

    1) A shapeshifter capable of blending with the crowd and even assuming an identity of someone close to you;

    2) Able to use innocent people as agents, either through straight mental domination or through "spirit-bending" them into evil loyal servants;

    3) Able to return bending to people deprived of it (think Ozai), and maybe even grant new powers;

    4) Able to use Spirit World for fast travel, reconnaisance, or just hiding (remeber, bending doesn't work in the Spirit world!);

    5) Being a millenia-old demon who, after his body is destroyed in the material world, is returned to the Spirit world and can reincarnate again;

    6) Maybe, just maybe, by consuming benders he can accumulate their power within himself, in the end becoming as powerful as the Avatar... ...that makes quite a foil for the gAang even with their level of power!

    And the best thing is, they wouldn't really know what to do with this villain - who/what is he? where/how is he hiding? How to stop his brainwashed minions without killing them? How to combat his spirit abilities? How to destroy him at all? I'd say this, along with Ursa, Azula's inner torment, and coping with the aftermath of a 100-years long war, would be good material for an entire Book. And in the end, it would take Aang and his friends to truly epic levels while also teaching them that brute power is not everything.

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