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How powerful is aang compared to past avatars?

LeonMorado
[21]Jul 17, 2008
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potential =/= strength. aang is not a fully realized avatar, therefor not as strong as one.

kyoshi pwns. she tore up a continent.
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kratosgod69
[22]Jul 17, 2008
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Who's to say another avatar wasnt born in a similar situation and had to master the elements quickly?
Edited on 07/17/2008 10:46am
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andrep007

[24]Jul 17, 2008

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AvatarSensation wrote:

hkulka2974 wrote:

andrep007 wrote:

hkulka2974 wrote:

andrep007 wrote:

hkulka2974 wrote:

suss2it wrote:

hkulka2974 wrote:

suss2it wrote:

hkulka2974 wrote:

suss2it wrote:

We don't know because we haven't seen enough of the past avatars. The only reason Aang isn't taking years to master the elements, is because he doesn't have the time. Roku had no pressure and could take as long as he pleases, seeing as though there wasn't a worldwide war for him to prevent, by a certain date.

true but it must take a large amount of skill to master the elements so quickly in such a short amount of time

True, but who's to say that Roku couldn't have stepped up if he were in this situation?

true, but roku technically was in the situation that began the war. also i thought that he left his training for the next as soon as he mastered the element

No, it was only after Roku mastered the elements did Sozin start colonizing the Earth Kingdom.

true but still look at roku when he left at the age of 16 and when he finished his training, theres a significant amount of time that has passed and i doubt roku laid back that much. atleast 20-30 years had passed.

AvatarSensation wrote:

I just have to say, probably a lot more powerful. Think about it. He was suddenly forced to protect the world from mass destruction at, technicaly, such a young age. (Minus the 100 years!) He has to master three more elements over the span of less than a year, and don't get me started on the finale. I honestly don't think we've even seen just how powerful he has trained to be. We will finally see Aang as a fully realized Avatar in the finale, and I think that might make our breaths stuck in our throats.

"It is the combination of the four elements that makes the Avatar so powerful." -Iroh (209- Bitter Work)

yeah we've still yet to see aang with the additional earthbending and waterbending training he's been through. and we've still yet to see his firebending. i still think he'll need another edge to overcome ozai though

roku took 14 years to maste all 4 elements he said it in 306, but the thing is, i really think aang is more powerful than the past avatars, cause he already LEARNED all the 4 elements 4 years BEFORE he should even know he is the avatar, but aang hasn't mastered the elements completely, i think he ain't no match for pakku in waterbending, or bumi in earthbending or iroh in firebending, but he still has A LOT of time to train.

but the condition he has been put through made him stronger in my opinion, forced him to be stronger

i think he'd atleast be a match for pakku considering that katara was able to hold her own ground against him before she was a master. and considering aang was declared a master of waterbending a while ago (somewhere in S2 i believe) i think aang would now be atleast pakku's equal in waterbending

i don't think pakku was really giving his best in that fight until he realised katara really wanted to take him down, then he just putted an end to it paralysing her. but yeah katara wasn't fully developed, now she is a true master and if there were to be a rematch i'll totally go for her

yet aang isn't quite as good as katara is at waterbending because he hasn't got the time to be, but he has got the potential IMO

now that hes had time to train he may be

Are you kidding? There barely is any time to train anymore! Remind me again how close the comet is? Only the gaang doesn't exactly know it. Aang IS a master Waterbender. Katara said it, and it said it on the back of the S2 V1 DVD. Also, Katara sai that the Avatar has to master the elements in order before going on to the next one. (order: Water, Earth, Fire). He has to master his native element first. It's only natural that since he's going on to firebending that he's mastered earthbending, right?

you misunderstood what he meant, after the war is over aang will have the time to focus more on his training, if he survives that is (which i think will happen), and he will already have a 4 year advantage toward the ordinary avatars

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suss2it
[25]Jul 17, 2008
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kratosgod69 wrote:

Who's to say another avatar wasn't born in a similar situation and had to master the elements quickly?
The creators have never indicated that such a thing happened, so it can be assumed that it hasn't.
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kratosgod69
[26]Jul 17, 2008
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The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.
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andrep007
[27]Jul 17, 2008
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kratosgod69 wrote:

The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.
you really assume that another avatar was frozen for a 100 years, and in mean time a huge war began, one os the elements nation was exterminated and than a young avatar had to end it all fighting a overpowered bender?
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suss2it
[28]Jul 17, 2008
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kratosgod69 wrote:

The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.
Actually no it can't. You can't assume things happened, but you can presume that things didn't happen until it's proven that they did.

The whole Innocent until proven Guilty thing is proof of that.
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whiteforest
[29]Jul 17, 2008
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I'd think each new avatar would be stronger than the last, as all the experiences and knowledge from the previous avatars would be passed onto the new one. This might apply more in the avatar state, as that's when the past avatars show their stuff.
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kratosgod69

[30]Jul 17, 2008

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andrep007 wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.

you really assume that another avatar was frozen for a 100 years, and in mean time a huge war began, one os the elements nation was exterminated and than a young avatar had to end it all fighting a overpowered bender?

Similar, not the exact same situation. It isnt that hard to believe another avatar was born into a war with only a couple years to master the elements.

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andrep007

[31]Jul 17, 2008

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kratosgod69 wrote:

andrep007 wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.

you really assume that another avatar was frozen for a 100 years, and in mean time a huge war began, one os the elements nation was exterminated and than a young avatar had to end it all fighting a overpowered bender?

Similar, not the exact same situation. It isnt that hard to believe another avatar was born into a war with only a couple years to master the elements.

but they probably had to master the elements quickly but not with a death line like aang, sure no one wants to extend a war, but he could take his time to master the elements properly, aang didn't have that luxury

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suss2it

[32]Jul 17, 2008

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kratosgod69 wrote:

andrep007 wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.

you really assume that another avatar was frozen for a 100 years, and in mean time a huge war began, one os the elements nation was exterminated and than a young avatar had to end it all fighting a overpowered bender?

Similar, not the exact same situation. It isn't that hard to believe another avatar was born into a war with only a couple years to master the elements.

There is no proof or even indication of such a thing happening. If something like that happened don't you think someone would've mentioned it before?

Kyoshi had to deal with a conqueror, but she handled that swiftly, but most likely past Avatars had to deal with conquerors, but probably not world wars.

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isabelwhatx

[33]Jul 17, 2008

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suss2it wrote:

We don't know because we haven't seen enough of the past avatars. The only reason Aang isn't taking years to master the elements, is because he doesn't have the time.

Roku had no pressure and could take as long as he pleases, seeing as though there wasn't a worldwide war for him to prevent, by a certain date.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Well, technically, he's not even supposed to be able to access his past lives. But whatever, ahaha. Every new generation produces an even more powerful avatar but ONLY in the avatar state.

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deejaysgroi
[34]Jul 17, 2008
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if you asked me who wins in a fight with the avatar state banned, Aang pre-finale vs. an avatar in his or her prime i'll chose almost any avatar over aang cause they most likely had more training and are a better bender
that is not saying aang wont or will be a match for other avatars once he reaches his prime
now if there was an avatar hall of fame Aang would def be in cause having to get good enough by the end of the year to be able to spank the bejesus out of the firelord is a pretty awesome feat
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kdes123
[35]Jul 17, 2008
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i would definately say aang is more skilled, but he is probably equally as powerful. He did learn the elements a lot faster thatn most avatars. I think it has to do with aangs connection to his past lives. Obviosly we have not seen the other avatars so he cant be compared. But it seems likes aang channels his avatar state all the time. I also was actually wondering if it has to do with age. Maybe its easier to learn when ur younger because your mind is still fresh. When older, you are so used to your own element that the others are harder. Aang started his avatar training earlier than the other avatars.
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andrep007

[36]Jul 17, 2008

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kdes123 wrote:

i would definately say aang is more skilled, but he is probably equally as powerful. He did learn the elements a lot faster thatn most avatars. I think it has to do with aangs connection to his past lives. Obviosly we have not seen the other avatars so he cant be compared. But it seems likes aang channels his avatar state all the time. I also was actually wondering if it has to do with age. Maybe its easier to learn when ur younger because your mind is still fresh. When older, you are so used to your own element that the others are harder. Aang started his avatar training earlier than the other avatars.

i had never seen things that way, but it does feels like its right i mean, the longer you use one element the more you get used to it, so you'll have problems to go around it and use others especially your natural opposite...

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kratosgod69

[37]Jul 17, 2008

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suss2it wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

andrep007 wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.

you really assume that another avatar was frozen for a 100 years, and in mean time a huge war began, one os the elements nation was exterminated and than a young avatar had to end it all fighting a overpowered bender?

Similar, not the exact same situation. It isn't that hard to believe another avatar was born into a war with only a couple years to master the elements.

There is no proof or even indication of such a thing happening. If something like that happened don't you think someone would've mentioned it before?

Kyoshi had to deal with a conqueror, but she handled that swiftly, but most likely past Avatars had to deal with conquerors, but probably not world wars.

The point being that we only know the stories of a few past avatars. We can't automatically say he'll be better than any other avatar for this reason.

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suss2it

[38]Jul 17, 2008

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kratosgod69 wrote:

suss2it wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

andrep007 wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.

you really assume that another avatar was frozen for a 100 years, and in mean time a huge war began, one os the elements nation was exterminated and than a young avatar had to end it all fighting a overpowered bender?

Similar, not the exact same situation. It isn't that hard to believe another avatar was born into a war with only a couple years to master the elements.

There is no proof or even indication of such a thing happening. If something like that happened don't you think someone would've mentioned it before?

Kyoshi had to deal with a conqueror, but she handled that swiftly, but most likely past Avatars had to deal with conquerors, but probably not world wars.

The point being that we only know the stories of a few past avatars. We can't automatically say he'll be better than any other avatar for this reason.

Agreed.

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hkulka2974

[39]Jul 17, 2008

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suss2it wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

suss2it wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

andrep007 wrote:

kratosgod69 wrote:

The creators have never indicated such a thing hasn't happened, so it can be assumed it has.

you really assume that another avatar was frozen for a 100 years, and in mean time a huge war began, one os the elements nation was exterminated and than a young avatar had to end it all fighting a overpowered bender?

Similar, not the exact same situation. It isn't that hard to believe another avatar was born into a war with only a couple years to master the elements.

There is no proof or even indication of such a thing happening. If something like that happened don't you think someone would've mentioned it before? Kyoshi had to deal with a conqueror, but she handled that swiftly, but most likely past Avatars had to deal with conquerors, but probably not world wars.

The point being that we only know the stories of a few past avatars. We can't automatically say he'll be better than any other avatar for this reason.

Agreed.

yeah you cant tell for sure whether he'll be more or less powerful than past avatars. but really i was asking for opinions so its ok to make assumptions and speculations just dont overspeculate on things

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WiseIroh
[40]Jul 17, 2008
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Nice everyone, very interestng... But Aang is alittle more in an advantage because not only he mastered or got the hang of all the elements, but lets remember back to 306 When Roku was training with giatso, Giatso didnt have any arrows so Aang probably mastered Airbending at an earlier age probably when he was still in diapers. But thats not all, Aang still has a little advantag, the power of friendship. plus Aang is forced to use his avatar powers for the sake of the world, I couldnt vow for the previous Avatars. But that says something.
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