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How Many Of You Think That Aang died in the Avatar State????

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    whiteforest

    [21]Dec 3, 2006
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    Kyusho-Jitsu wrote:
    So it was KATARA'S FAULT THAT YUE DIED BWAHAHAHAHAA I KNEW SHE WAS EVIL!
    Oh yeah. Entirely.
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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [22]Dec 3, 2006
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    Was that sarcasm?

    Because if it was, just go back and read what we were talking about. I said that the spirit water can't revive things because it didn't revive the Koi fish. He said that it needed a waterbender's healing ability to activate its reviving power. So, in effect, if Katara had simply tried to heal the fish, the spirit water would've revived it and Yue wouldn't have died. So IT WAS KATARA'S FAULT

    By the way, I was only joking. None of us are probably right about the spirit water, as I'm sure the creators will find some extremely surprising and unpredictable yet awesome explanation to Aang's death/almost death/other.

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    Phaker

    [23]Dec 3, 2006
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    So what if the cycle is broken? they arent going to replace Aang. Also it was already like 3 incarnations from over. No more airbenders and all.
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    whiteforest

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    Phaker wrote:
    So what if the cycle is broken? they arent going to replace Aang. Also it was already like 3 incarnations from over. No more airbenders and all.

    3 incarnations would be several centuries later. Plenty of time for Aang to repopulate the airbenders
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    xlA_V_A_T_A_Rlx

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    Ok I'm realllllllllly sorry if this was posted cuz I'm really tired yet bored at the same time (understand?, hopefully lol) but I think he was and Katara revived him. Because of the fact he died he will be the last avatar and he will have to defeat the Fire Lord without the avatar state OR go to the Guru and figure out what happened and if there is any way to patch up the holes.
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    RoxieFox

    [26]Dec 3, 2006
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    He's did NOT DIE! You'll see. You'll all see!
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    Shard2005

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    RoxieFox wrote:
    He's did NOT DIE! You'll see. You'll all see!
    I'm not quite sure, he looked pretty lifeless to me. I like your name by the way. I used to know a girl named Roxanne in high school, but everyone called her Foxy Roxy.
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    RoxieFox

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    Shard2005 wrote:
    RoxieFox wrote:
    He's did NOT DIE! You'll see. You'll all see!
    I'm not quite sure, he looked pretty lifeless to me. I like your name by the way. I used to know a girl named Roxanne in high school, but everyone called her Foxy Roxy.

    Thank you. They call me that too! I don't mind too much tho. It's mostly because my fav animal in the world is a fox.
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    truthfullysa

    [29]Dec 4, 2006
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    Thanks for answering my question and i'm sorry if i forgot to look through ALL 133??PAGES to see if the topic had been covered or not.
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    truthfullysa

    [30]Dec 4, 2006
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    Bandage2 wrote:

    I've thought this over alot, and I've watched the last 3 minutes over 50 times, and this is what it seems like since there is def not a clear understanding of what happened. There are a few options...

    I don't think Aang was truly in the avatar state, I think he finally learned how to enter it but I think when he went up he wasn't in full control sorta like when u start ur car in the cold, u gotta let it heat up, and the window defrost...

    That being said, I think he was killed because everything on the show points to it, first of all the reference to dying in the avatar state, second- lightning.... third - the way the big avatar fell over, fourth - the music, fifth - Katara holding him like jesus, sixth - he wasn't breathing from when he got zapped till Katara revived him, seventh - Katara crying when her water did nothing for a second, those all point to him dying for at least a few minutes, you can die for a few minutes and not be truly dead, I think that's what happened to aang.

    Now, why the cycle wouldn't be broken- Aang wasn't in the full Avatar state is one option, the glow on his forehead from the water pretty much confirms the avatar spirit is still there, I guarantee it's not just his spirit cause??the moon spirit??didn't glow like that and have the glow noise of the avatar state...??I think it was more of a wakeup call for aang to master the avatar state itself and not just master the ability to enter it and float for 10 seconds basically saying "shoot me"..

    Another thing about the previous Avatar states he was in, and the avatar state the past avatars entered, Aang's previous states had him totally just super powerful with him glowing, because the avatars were controlling him. The past avatars had only their eyes glow for only 1 second- the air avatar's forehead didn't even glow when it demonstrated her... there was no huge light... that's why I think what aang did was the initiation to be able to enter it, it wasn't the real thing so technically he couldn't die in the avatar state cause he hadn't fully entered it.

    I don't think the cycle is broken, that would honestly make the show worse I think because he would have to win with smarts, and non avatar stuff, besides it IS called AVATAR the last airbender... I don't think he wouldn't be the avatar to end the last third of the show...

    THANKS, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!!

    For those people who said that he didn't die, because the spirit water, whatever, couldn't ressurect people, well that's not what i asked to begin with!!! i had asked a QUESTION!!! i asked who THOUGHT he had died, i NEVER said that i thought that!!!!!!!!!!!

    i had never asked myself the question of whether he had died in the avatar state or not, until someone had made me question what i'd seen. i think it's just dumb for some people to say that the spirit oasis water couldn't ressurect people, it's not like people can bend elements in real life today. ANYTHING can happen in a cartoon, especially in Avatar.??the water-bending master never exactly told Katara what those "special properites" were, it's not like he gave her a list saying what the water could and couldn't do, you know.

    Here are some other things i had noticed before:

    1. How come Aang didn't die from being frozen in that iceberg for a 100 yrs., i mean Katara was worried about whether Zuko and Aang had gotten out of the snow storm, because she knew that they would freeze to death if they didn't find shelter anytime, soon. did she ever think about the fact that she found him in an ICEBERG FROZEN FOR A CENTURY?!?!?! if that didn't kill him then being in a snow storm for a couple of hours or so, wouldn't kill him.

    2. Some people mix up the title and think that it's Avatar the last Avatar, instead of Avatar the last AIRBENDER! they didn't say that he was the last avatar they said that he was the last AIRBENDER. Avatars come around one at a time not a bazillion running around the world trying to save the world all at once. there could be another avatar, because why would the previous avatar Roku say that the reincarnation cycle would be broken if there wasn't going to be another avatar after him ANYWAYS!

    Those are just some things i needed to state.

    THANKS, to all those people who agreed with me, and i didn't mean to make those other people upset or at least i didn't know, i would.

    Edited on 12/04/2006 8:45pm
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    PrincessAura

    [31]Dec 4, 2006
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    truthfullysa wrote:
    Bandage2 wrote:

    I've thought this over alot, and I've watched the last 3 minutes over 50 times, and this is what it seems like since there is def not a clear understanding of what happened. There are a few options...

    I don't think Aang was truly in the avatar state, I think he finally learned how to enter it but I think when he went up he wasn't in full control sorta like when u start ur car in the cold, u gotta let it heat up, and the window defrost...

    That being said, I think he was killed because everything on the show points to it, first of all the reference to dying in the avatar state, second- lightning.... third - the way the big avatar fell over, fourth - the music, fifth - Katara holding him like jesus, sixth - he wasn't breathing from when he got zapped till Katara revived him, seventh - Katara crying when her water did nothing for a second, those all point to him dying for at least a few minutes, you can die for a few minutes and not be truly dead, I think that's what happened to aang.

    Now, why the cycle wouldn't be broken- Aang wasn't in the full Avatar state is one option, the glow on his forehead from the water pretty much confirms the avatar spirit is still there, I guarantee it's not just his spirit cause the moon spirit didn't glow like that and have the glow noise of the avatar state... I think it was more of a wakeup call for aang to master the avatar state itself and not just master the ability to enter it and float for 10 seconds basically saying "shoot me"..

    Another thing about the previous Avatar states he was in, and the avatar state the past avatars entered, Aang's previous states had him totally just super powerful with him glowing, because the avatars were controlling him. The past avatars had only their eyes glow for only 1 second- the air avatar's forehead didn't even glow when it demonstrated her... there was no huge light... that's why I think what aang did was the initiation to be able to enter it, it wasn't the real thing so technically he couldn't die in the avatar state cause he hadn't fully entered it.

    I don't think the cycle is broken, that would honestly make the show worse I think because he would have to win with smarts, and non avatar stuff, besides it IS called AVATAR the last airbender... I don't think he wouldn't be the avatar to end the last third of the show...

    THANKS, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!!

    For those people who said that he didn't die, because the spirit water, whatever, couldn't ressurect people, well that's not what i asked to begin with!!! i had asked a QUESTION!!! i asked who THOUGHT he had died, i NEVER said that i thought that!!!!!!!!!!!

    i had never asked myself the question of whether he had died in the avatar state or not, until someone had made me question what i'd seen. i think it's just dumb for some people to say that the spirit oasis water couldn't ressurect people, it's not like people can bend elements in real life today. ANYTHING can happen in a cartoon, especially in Avatar. the water-bending master never exactly told Katara what those "special properites" were, it's not like he gave her a list saying what the water could and couldn't do, you know.

    Here are some other things i had noticed before:

    1. How come Aang didn't die from being frozen in that iceberg for a 100 yrs., i mean Katara was worried about whether Zuko and Aang had gotten out of the snow storm, because she knew that they would freeze to death if they didn't find shelter anytime, soon. did she ever think about the fact that she found him in an ICEBERG FROZEN FOR A CENTURY?!?!?! if that didn't kill him then being in a snow storm for a couple of hours or so, wouldn't kill him.

    2. Some people mix up the title and think that it's Avatar the last Avatar, instead of Avatar the last AIRBENDER! they didn't say that he was the last avatar they said that he was the last AIRBENDER. Avatars come around one at a time not a bazillion running around the world trying to save the world all at once. there could be another avatar, because why would the previous avatar Roku say that the reincarnation cycle would be broken if there wasn't going to be another avatar after him ANYWAYS!

    Those are just some things i needed to state.

    THANKS, to all those people who agreed with me, and i didn't mean to make those other people upset or at least i didn't know, i would.



    1. I can answer that, he was in the avatar state and I guess because their spirits are connected so was Appa (in a way). He was glowing up until the moment he woke up so I'm assuming that the avatar state protected him by putting him (and appa) in suspended animation for 100 years.
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    ardron

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    Kyusho-Jitsu wrote:

    Was that sarcasm?

    Because if it was, just go back and read what we were talking about. I said that the spirit water can't revive things because it didn't revive the Koi fish. He said that it needed a waterbender's healing ability to activate its reviving power. So, in effect, if Katara had simply tried to heal the fish, the spirit water would've revived it and Yue wouldn't have died. So IT WAS KATARA'S FAULT

    By the way, I was only joking. None of us are probably right about the spirit water, as I'm sure the creators will find some extremely surprising and unpredictable yet awesome explanation to Aang's death/almost death/other.

    No, it was not sarcasm. He's dead.

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    masterofaeons

    [33]Dec 5, 2006
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    Yes. Both he and the Avatar died. He was hit by lightning which passed through his heart. Iroh explained this as fatal for a point in Bitter Work. We know the Avatar energies were also damaged because we saw the cosmic form of Aang fall as well. The question I want to know is did both get ressurected, or was it just Aang?
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    sadist_activst

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    The dark, glowing, big Aang is the Avatar spirit right. To me it looks like it died, but that could be it just faded when Aang left the Avatar State.

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    masterofaeons

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    If it "just faded" that would be a little more peaceful. But they made it a point to have this powerful entity keel over and fall. They don't do that for no reason.
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    IceMasterZ

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    Do you guys know knowing about lightening. It stops your heart when you are struck you CAN be revived by anther shock but for those few seconds u are technically dead so he did die in some respect like hundreds of other people do when their heart is stopped but like them you can still be revived as long as its soon after it happened.
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    jnk4eva

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    Bandage2 wrote:

    I've thought this over alot, and I've watched the last 3 minutes over 50 times, and this is what it seems like since there is def not a clear understanding of what happened. There are a few options...

    I don't think Aang was truly in the avatar state, I think he finally learned how to enter it but I think when he went up he wasn't in full control sorta like when u start ur car in the cold, u gotta let it heat up, and the window defrost...

    That being said, I think he was killed because everything on the show points to it, first of all the reference to dying in the avatar state, second- lightning.... third - the way the big avatar fell over, fourth - the music, fifth - Katara holding him like jesus, sixth - he wasn't breathing from when he got zapped till Katara revived him, seventh - Katara crying when her water did nothing for a second, those all point to him dying for at least a few minutes, you can die for a few minutes and not be truly dead, I think that's what happened to aang.

    Now, why the cycle wouldn't be broken- Aang wasn't in the full Avatar state is one option, the glow on his forehead from the water pretty much confirms the avatar spirit is still there, I guarantee it's not just his spirit cause??the moon spirit??didn't glow like that and have the glow noise of the avatar state...??I think it was more of a wakeup call for aang to master the avatar state itself and not just master the ability to enter it and float for 10 seconds basically saying "shoot me"..

    Another thing about the previous Avatar states he was in, and the avatar state the past avatars entered, Aang's previous states had him totally just super powerful with him glowing, because the avatars were controlling him. The past avatars had only their eyes glow for only 1 second- the air avatar's forehead didn't even glow when it demonstrated her... there was no huge light... that's why I think what aang did was the initiation to be able to enter it, it wasn't the real thing so technically he couldn't die in the avatar state cause he hadn't fully entered it.

    I don't think the cycle is broken, that would honestly make the show worse I think because he would have to win with smarts, and non avatar stuff, besides it IS called AVATAR the last airbender... I don't think he wouldn't be the avatar to end the last third of the show...

    wow...you tooks the words right out of my mouth

    meaning yes, I really think he died...
    the only thing that makes me somewhat skeptical is that it's Nickelodeon...Avatar was making a huge leap in merely mentioning the word "died"...i just don't know if??Nick would be willing to show death on television

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    Mewtamer

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    The way I see it, Azula's lightning strike put Aang into a state of Clinical Death. For those who don't know, Clinical Death is when the Heart stops beating, but the Brain is still functioning(on a related note, Brain Death is when the Higher Brain???? ?? ceases to function, but the Autonomic Nervous System keeps other vital functions going). Aang's injuries would have eventually put him a state of total death, but Katara's Waterbending, along with the Spirit Oasis Water heals his injuries and restarts his heart.

    So, I believe that Aang was Clinically Dead, but not Totally Dead.
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    adidaZuko

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    PrincessAura wrote:
    truthfullysa wrote:
    Bandage2 wrote:

    I've thought this over alot, and I've watched the last 3 minutes over 50 times, and this is what it seems like since there is def not a clear understanding of what happened. There are a few options...

    I don't think Aang was truly in the avatar state, I think he finally learned how to enter it but I think when he went up he wasn't in full control sorta like when u start ur car in the cold, u gotta let it heat up, and the window defrost...

    That being said, I think he was killed because everything on the show points to it, first of all the reference to dying in the avatar state, second- lightning.... third - the way the big avatar fell over, fourth - the music, fifth - Katara holding him like jesus, sixth - he wasn't breathing from when he got zapped till Katara revived him, seventh - Katara crying when her water did nothing for a second, those all point to him dying for at least a few minutes, you can die for a few minutes and not be truly dead, I think that's what happened to aang.

    Now, why the cycle wouldn't be broken- Aang wasn't in the full Avatar state is one option, the glow on his forehead from the water pretty much confirms the avatar spirit is still there, I guarantee it's not just his spirit cause the moon spirit didn't glow like that and have the glow noise of the avatar state... I think it was more of a wakeup call for aang to master the avatar state itself and not just master the ability to enter it and float for 10 seconds basically saying "shoot me"..

    Another thing about the previous Avatar states he was in, and the avatar state the past avatars entered, Aang's previous states had him totally just super powerful with him glowing, because the avatars were controlling him. The past avatars had only their eyes glow for only 1 second- the air avatar's forehead didn't even glow when it demonstrated her... there was no huge light... that's why I think what aang did was the initiation to be able to enter it, it wasn't the real thing so technically he couldn't die in the avatar state cause he hadn't fully entered it.

    I don't think the cycle is broken, that would honestly make the show worse I think because he would have to win with smarts, and non avatar stuff, besides it IS called AVATAR the last airbender... I don't think he wouldn't be the avatar to end the last third of the show...

    THANKS, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT!!!!!!!!!!

    For those people who said that he didn't die, because the spirit water, whatever, couldn't ressurect people, well that's not what i asked to begin with!!! i had asked a QUESTION!!! i asked who THOUGHT he had died, i NEVER said that i thought that!!!!!!!!!!!

    i had never asked myself the question of whether he had died in the avatar state or not, until someone had made me question what i'd seen. i think it's just dumb for some people to say that the spirit oasis water couldn't ressurect people, it's not like people can bend elements in real life today. ANYTHING can happen in a cartoon, especially in Avatar. the water-bending master never exactly told Katara what those "special properites" were, it's not like he gave her a list saying what the water could and couldn't do, you know.

    Here are some other things i had noticed before:

    1. How come Aang didn't die from being frozen in that iceberg for a 100 yrs., i mean Katara was worried about whether Zuko and Aang had gotten out of the snow storm, because she knew that they would freeze to death if they didn't find shelter anytime, soon. did she ever think about the fact that she found him in an ICEBERG FROZEN FOR A CENTURY?!?!?! if that didn't kill him then being in a snow storm for a couple of hours or so, wouldn't kill him.

    2. Some people mix up the title and think that it's Avatar the last Avatar, instead of Avatar the last AIRBENDER! they didn't say that he was the last avatar they said that he was the last AIRBENDER. Avatars come around one at a time not a bazillion running around the world trying to save the world all at once. there could be another avatar, because why would the previous avatar Roku say that the reincarnation cycle would be broken if there wasn't going to be another avatar after him ANYWAYS!

    Those are just some things i needed to state.

    THANKS, to all those people who agreed with me, and i didn't mean to make those other people upset or at least i didn't know, i would.



    1. I can answer that, he was in the avatar state and I guess because their spirits are connected so was Appa (in a way). He was glowing up until the moment he woke up so I'm assuming that the avatar state protected him by putting him (and appa) in suspended animation for 100 years.

    When people are frozen they don't die, their metabolism slows down to a point where it actually stops so he was preserved for a hundred years but then reanimated when the iceburg was cracked open. Isn't the avatar like God on earth, the Chinise calligraphy in the title translates to "the divine medium who had descended upon the mortal world"...okay, I forgot where I was going with this, point is freezing yourself in suspended animation and freezing to death are two completely different things.

    And I agree with "Aang dying for a minute and not being truly dead" haven't you ever heard of flat lining? People who "kill" themselves and them come back in an attempt to figure out the mystery of death. Maybe they waited too long to heal the fish (I doubt it, but they could use it as an excuse) and that's why elle dit "It's too late; it's dead." Too late...yeah, I don't buy it either. It's just another plot hole, with the fish thing, just like people are saying "Why didn't she heal Jet?" I don't know, because the writers didn't want her to, that's what it all comes down to. I also believe that because it was water from the Spirit Oasis and Aang is the avatar maybe the spirits had a connection or something and they worked on him where it wouldn't work on anyone else...maybe...

    Not related, but the fact that Katara offered to heal Zuko's scar but didn't remember it when Jet was dying was really upseting in a way. Here's this guy, even though I love him,??who's been trying to kill her friend and just because of one common loss a loss she also shared with Jet, she's going to heal his scar. She said she was saving it for a special occasion, healing her "enemie's" scar was more important than saving Jet's life! She needs to sort out her priorities. I know the writers must have thrown that in there purely for shipping, because it created a plot hole and it really had little significance because she didn't heal his scar anyway. She did use it at the end, but she could have still used it without her bringing it up to do nothing with it excpet maybe get Zuko's hopes up for nothing.

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