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Firebenders flying

Could firebenders always fly or was it just during the comet?

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    skye3001

    [41]Jul 23, 2008
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    dark_aquatus wrote:
    This isn't earth, plus Newton never lived there lol!

    Didn't you notice people living after falling off a 50 feet wall?


    Um....gravity works at a rate of less than 9.8 m/s2 in Avatar Land?
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    hkulka2974

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    skye3001 wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    This isn't earth, plus Newton never lived there lol! Didn't you notice people living after falling off a 50 feet wall?
    Um....gravity works at a rate of less than 9.8 m/s2 in Avatar Land?

    who told you that?

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    KoalaSheep

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    skye3001 wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    This isn't earth, plus Newton never lived there lol!

    Didn't you notice people living after falling off a 50 feet wall?


    Um....gravity works at a rate of less than 9.8 m/s2 in Avatar Land?


    That could also explain how people in wheelchairs can fly.
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    dark_aquatus

    [44]Jul 23, 2008
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    skye3001 wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    This isn't earth, plus Newton never lived there lol!

    Didn't you notice people living after falling off a 50 feet wall?


    Um....gravity works at a rate of less than 9.8 m/s2 in Avatar Land?


    That's probably right, yes.

    But you guys should stop discussing this subject.

    It's not earth, so you can't compare it with our lawls of physics. But at the same time this show has been created on earth, so it's kinda normal that laws like gravity are there, just not in the same ways as we know it...

    We DO know that the avatar world is round though

    Guess that's something
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    jakeman3025

    [45]Jul 23, 2008
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    ozai had much more control over this ability then azula he was a human rocket and probley could of doe this with or with out the comet.
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    KingofSpades209

    [46]Jul 23, 2008
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    I think that fire benders can only fly during the comet. If they coulld fly without the comet then it makes an airbender more useless.
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    KoalaSheep

    [47]Jul 23, 2008
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    dark_aquatus wrote:
    skye3001 wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    This isn't earth, plus Newton never lived there lol!

    Didn't you notice people living after falling off a 50 feet wall?


    Um....gravity works at a rate of less than 9.8 m/s2 in Avatar Land?


    That's probably right, yes.

    But you guys should stop discussing this subject.

    It's not earth, so you can't compare it with our lawls of physics. But at the same time this show has been created on earth, so it's kinda normal that laws like gravity are there, just not in the same ways as we know it...

    We DO know that the avatar world is round though

    Guess that's something


    I don't know, the Avatarverse seems to have very similar (if not identical) lawls (lawl) of physics.
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    suss2it

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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    The amount of force it would take to constantly keep yourself flying in the air is, well, a lot.

    It was the comet. And that would be ridiculously unbalanced if it was an ordinary occurence.


    Flying really isn't that unbalanced, seeing as though the Air Nomads were capable of such a feat, of course it was a hell of a lot easier for them to do it.

    If you wanna talk unbalanced, look at bloodbending.
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    KoalaSheep

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    suss2it wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    The amount of force it would take to constantly keep yourself flying in the air is, well, a lot.

    It was the comet. And that would be ridiculously unbalanced if it was an ordinary occurence.


    Flying really isn't that unbalanced, seeing as though the Air Nomads were capable of such a feat, of course it was a hell of a lot easier for them to do it.

    If you wanna talk unbalanced, look at bloodbending.


    But the air nomads bent the air around them to get lift, whereas the firebenders need a lot of propulsion. Note how it is a lot harder for Aang to fly without his glider.
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    -TheSecondSign-

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    suss2it wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    The amount of force it would take to constantly keep yourself flying in the air is, well, a lot.

    It was the comet. And that would be ridiculously unbalanced if it was an ordinary occurence.

    Flying really isn't that unbalanced, seeing as though the Air Nomads were capable of such a feat, of course it was a hell of a lot easier for them to do it. If you wanna talk unbalanced, look at bloodbending.

    That is true.

    An airbender, however, generally needs a glider. They can use tornado like gusts, but this is almost exclusively Avatar level bending.

    And I agree. Outside the full moon, bloodbending is stupid.

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    suss2it

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    KoalaSheep wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    The amount of force it would take to constantly keep yourself flying in the air is, well, a lot.

    It was the comet. And that would be ridiculously unbalanced if it was an ordinary occurence.


    Flying really isn't that unbalanced, seeing as though the Air Nomads were capable of such a feat, of course it was a hell of a lot easier for them to do it.

    If you wanna talk unbalanced, look at bloodbending.


    But the air nomads bent the air around them to get lift, whereas the firebenders need a lot of propulsion. Note how it is a lot harder for Aang to fly without his glider.
    Try reading the entire post before replying.

    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    The amount of force it would take to constantly keep yourself flying in the air is, well, a lot.

    It was the comet. And that would be ridiculously unbalanced if it was an ordinary occurence.

    Flying really isn't that unbalanced, seeing as though the Air Nomads were capable of such a feat, of course it was a hell of a lot easier for them to do it. If you wanna talk unbalanced, look at bloodbending.

    That is true.

    An airbender, however, generally needs a glider. They can use tornado like gusts, but this is almost exclusively Avatar level bending.

    And I agree. Outside the full moon, bloodbending is stupid.

    They could also enclose themselves in a sphere of air, like Aang did in the finale.

    I know he was in the Avatar State, but that means he get's the knowledge of past Avatars, which means someone did it before him, out of the State, and most likely taught it to others.
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    TheBLUESPIRIT86

    [52]Jul 24, 2008
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    firebenders can only fly like ozia and jeong jeong when there is a comet... bottom line!!!
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    confucioussayhi

    [53]Jul 24, 2008
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    KoalaSheep wrote:

    I was just thinking; If shooting lots of fire can make firebenders fly, then that would mean Newton's (second?) law is in effect (every action has an equal/opposite reaction). What I'm getting at is, why wasn't Ozai sent flying backwards when creating the giant wave of fire?

    It's just a cartoon, Koala, you're thinking too hard.

    The way the fire was being bent was different. The fire he was using to raze the land from the airships wasn't as focused as the fire he was bending from his feet to fly. The fire from his feet had a much more uniform shape and sharper, defined lines. The normal fire was loose and spread out.

    I can't think of a technically proper analogy, so...

    The fire is like blowing air through a large hole. It disperses quickly. The jets are like blowing air through a tiny hole, it feels like it has more force. You can do it yourself if you want. Open your mouth wide and breath out into your hand, then purse your lips and do the same. Big difference.
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    ItachiHatakeZ

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    You can boost w/o the comet (TBRpt2), but as for flying with a jetpack like thing, I think you'd need the comet's power for extended periods of time.

    But say if you're falling off a cliff, I don't see why you couldn't fly back up, it just wouldn't be controlled. Only a skilled firebender would be able to control exactly how much power they use to direct themselves anyway. But I don't see why you can't use it for short periods of time. It doesn't seem to use much more energy then regular flames.

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    ItachiHatakeZ wrote:

    You can boost w/o the comet (TBRpt2), but as for flying with a jetpack like thing, I think you'd need the comet's power for extended periods of time.

    But say if you're falling off a cliff, I don't see why you couldn't fly back up, it just wouldn't be controlled. Only a skilled firebender would be able to control exactly how much power they use to direct themselves anyway. But I don't see why you can't use it for short periods of time. It doesn't seem to use much more energy then regular flames.

    you can redirect yourself in the air, you cant sustain flight though. you can also use them as boosters

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    ItachiHatakeZ

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    So, do you mean if you'd try to boost yourself in the air and sustain it, gravity would overpower your bending and you'd come back down regardless?

    Agh, we're getting into physics...
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    hkulka2974

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    ItachiHatakeZ wrote:
    So, do you mean if you'd try to boost yourself in the air and sustain it, gravity would overpower your bending and you'd come back down regardless? Agh, we're getting into physics...

    no but it takes an immense amount of power to sustain flight, which is shy firebenders can do it during the comet but not without it. i'm saying that since we havent seen a firebender take flight without the comet we can assume that it would take an immense amount of energy for them to sustain flight. Its not technically physics, may be simple physics, but its more of common sense.

    i mean its one thing to sustain flight and another to boost yourself for a big jump or re direct yourself in the air

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    ISpeakTheTruth

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    So I think that we're starting to reach an agreement that flying for a Firebender is a rare thing like bloodbending for waterbenders, metal bending for earthbenders, and flying without a glyder for airbenders.

    But I think we can agree that it is something that takes a great deal of energy and they could only do it for a short period of time. Yes?
    Edited on 07/24/2008 10:44pm
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    MauricXe

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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    So I think that we're starting to reach an agreement that flying for a Firebender is a rare thing like bloodbending for waterbenders, metal bending for earthbenders, and flying without a glyder for airbenders.

    But I think we can agree that it is something that takes a great deal of energy and they could only do it for a short period of time. Yes?


    It has to be or Azula would have done it throughout the series.
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    MauricXe wrote:
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    So I think that we're starting to reach an agreement that flying for a Firebender is a rare thing like bloodbending for waterbenders, metal bending for earthbenders, and flying without a glyder for airbenders.

    But I think we can agree that it is something that takes a great deal of energy and they could only do it for a short period of time. Yes?


    It has to be or Azula would have done it throughout the series.


    True. And in my observation, Airbenders fly like the birds, while fire benders are more like missiles/rockets to me. It's propulsion. See here for your self: http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z156/slumshoes/AzulaRocketpack.gif
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