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    carlsonem

    [21]Jul 12, 2008
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    KikitheFiend wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    I don't think there is any real propaganda. They're either lax villagers or sadistic military leaders.
    True, The fire nation is totalitarian government. Ba Sing se under long feng was fascist (or heavy in propaganda). Think about it. They brainwash people to believe there is no war. Nobody spoke of it. This is the same thing Hitler did to the German people. He used propaganda to make people believe that the holocaust and all other terrible actions of the Nazis did not happen


    Too bad we still don't know what the fire nation public thinks of the war. :/
    They probably are afraid to speak out against it. Typical dictator government
    They probably support the war. Your avaerage citizen will be unaware of the true horrors of the war. All they see is thei nation becoming stronger. They are indoctrinated at a young age to believe such things; "for the greater good".

    The same was true of the Nazi regime. Only a minority directly opposed the regime and wanted it removed. Opposition only gained in strength once the German army had stalled in 1942. Anti-nazi jokes were not a form of opposition. We make jokes about our governments, it just shows our displeasure with certain aspects of the government not a desire to overthrow it. Many were unaware of what was occuring to the Jews or were apathetic as it did not affect them. They believed that they were responsible for Germany's problems. The Nazis always referred to the Holocaust as the Final Solution. By the time there was opposition in the final stages of the war, the SS, Gestapo and SD had tightened control and created an atmosphere of terror as the Nazis could no longer rule entirely through charisma and success.
    Good point. However people typically do not like war unless it is for their independence. For the fire nation they already have independence so why do their people want to ruin a nation that is thriving by getting into an imperialistic war.
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    clifton13

    [22]Jul 12, 2008
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    The same reason Europe conquered America, Afrika, Australia, and India. For Money, Greater need for resources, livingspace.
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    KikitheFiend

    [23]Jul 12, 2008
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    @carlsonem They have been led to believe they are the greatest nation in the world and they are just sharing their glory. 100 years of propaganda will ensure almost no opposition from within. People are fiercest about a war for independence, one of the reasons the US failed in Vietnam, but they will accept it and even support it if it benefits them. The WW2 benefitted the Germans initially as they were retaking territories that had been taken from them at the end of the First World War and were expanding to make Germany great again. The same is true with the fire nation. Even the British empire took over countries to "save" them, people in England still supported this with a passion.
    Edited on 07/12/2008 10:18am
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    Ravel93

    [24]Jul 12, 2008
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    I like this thread.

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    carlsonem

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    KikitheFiend wrote:
    @carlsonem They have been led to believe they are the greatest nation in the world and they are just sharing their glory. 100 years of propaganda will ensure almost no opposition from within. People are fiercest about a war for independence, one of the reasons the US failed in Vietnam, but they will accept it and even support it if it benefits them. The WW2 benefitted the Germans initially as they were retaking territories that had been taken from them at the end of the First World War and were expanding to make Germany great again. The same is true with the fire nation. Even the British empire took over countries to "save" them, people in England still supported this with a passion.
    Ok but what about Joesph Stalin. He took over countries to better Russia but the people were terrified by him and did not support him. The problem was if they publicly expressed it then they would be killed. People who lived in that era have given countless testimonies saying they did not support him.

    How about the war in Iraq. The war was supposed to better the US by taking out major terrorist networks. However about 90 percent of the country opposes it. We don't know everything that happens over there and it does get chastised in the media sure. One thing is clear the public doesn't support this war.

    Edited on 07/12/2008 11:10am
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    PsychoPass

    [26]Jul 12, 2008
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    I'm getting the vibe that they are indifferent towards the war.
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    toosmooth

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    carlsonem wrote:

    KikitheFiend wrote:
    @carlsonem They have been led to believe they are the greatest nation in the world and they are just sharing their glory. 100 years of propaganda will ensure almost no opposition from within. People are fiercest about a war for independence, one of the reasons the US failed in Vietnam, but they will accept it and even support it if it benefits them. The WW2 benefitted the Germans initially as they were retaking territories that had been taken from them at the end of the First World War and were expanding to make Germany great again. The same is true with the fire nation. Even the British empire took over countries to "save" them, people in England still supported this with a passion.
    Ok but what about Joesph Stalin. He took over countries to better Russia but the people were terrified by him and did not support him. The problem was if they publicly expressed it then they would be killed. People who lived in that era have given countless testimonies saying they did not support him.

    How about the war in Iraq. The war was supposed to better the US by taking out major terrorist networks. However about 90 percent of the country opposes it. We don't know everything that happens over there and it does get chastised in the media sure. One thing is clear the public doesn't support this war.

    STOP THE POLITICS! Your gonna make me throw up!
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    carlsonem

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    toosmooth wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:

    KikitheFiend wrote:
    @carlsonem They have been led to believe they are the greatest nation in the world and they are just sharing their glory. 100 years of propaganda will ensure almost no opposition from within. People are fiercest about a war for independence, one of the reasons the US failed in Vietnam, but they will accept it and even support it if it benefits them. The WW2 benefitted the Germans initially as they were retaking territories that had been taken from them at the end of the First World War and were expanding to make Germany great again. The same is true with the fire nation. Even the British empire took over countries to "save" them, people in England still supported this with a passion.
    Ok but what about Joesph Stalin. He took over countries to better Russia but the people were terrified by him and did not support him. The problem was if they publicly expressed it then they would be killed. People who lived in that era have given countless testimonies saying they did not support him.

    How about the war in Iraq. The war was supposed to better the US by taking out major terrorist networks. However about 90 percent of the country opposes it. We don't know everything that happens over there and it does get chastised in the media sure. One thing is clear the public doesn't support this war.

    STOP THE POLITICS! Your gonna make me throw up!
    Whats wrong with politics?
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    toosmooth

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    carlsonem wrote:
    toosmooth wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:

    KikitheFiend wrote:
    @carlsonem They have been led to believe they are the greatest nation in the world and they are just sharing their glory. 100 years of propaganda will ensure almost no opposition from within. People are fiercest about a war for independence, one of the reasons the US failed in Vietnam, but they will accept it and even support it if it benefits them. The WW2 benefitted the Germans initially as they were retaking territories that had been taken from them at the end of the First World War and were expanding to make Germany great again. The same is true with the fire nation. Even the British empire took over countries to "save" them, people in England still supported this with a passion.
    Ok but what about Joesph Stalin. He took over countries to better Russia but the people were terrified by him and did not support him. The problem was if they publicly expressed it then they would be killed. People who lived in that era have given countless testimonies saying they did not support him.

    How about the war in Iraq. The war was supposed to better the US by taking out major terrorist networks. However about 90 percent of the country opposes it. We don't know everything that happens over there and it does get chastised in the media sure. One thing is clear the public doesn't support this war.

    STOP THE POLITICS! Your gonna make me throw up!
    Whats wrong with politics?
    Gugh! What isn't? This thread was win until all this talk about war started. Politics are too formal.
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    AlexanderTrebek

    [30]Jul 12, 2008
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    toosmooth wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:
    toosmooth wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:

    KikitheFiend wrote:
    @carlsonem They have been led to believe they are the greatest nation in the world and they are just sharing their glory. 100 years of propaganda will ensure almost no opposition from within. People are fiercest about a war for independence, one of the reasons the US failed in Vietnam, but they will accept it and even support it if it benefits them. The WW2 benefitted the Germans initially as they were retaking territories that had been taken from them at the end of the First World War and were expanding to make Germany great again. The same is true with the fire nation. Even the British empire took over countries to "save" them, people in England still supported this with a passion.
    Ok but what about Joesph Stalin. He took over countries to better Russia but the people were terrified by him and did not support him. The problem was if they publicly expressed it then they would be killed. People who lived in that era have given countless testimonies saying they did not support him.

    How about the war in Iraq. The war was supposed to better the US by taking out major terrorist networks. However about 90 percent of the country opposes it. We don't know everything that happens over there and it does get chastised in the media sure. One thing is clear the public doesn't support this war.

    STOP THE POLITICS! Your gonna make me throw up!
    Whats wrong with politics?
    Gugh! What isn't? This thread was win until all this talk about war started. Politics are too formal.


    Well the topic of this thread is propaganda, and in the vast majority of cases propaganda is used politically. In this case the Fire Nation is using propaganda to maintain support for a 100 year war. The current US war has only lasted a few years and the public clearly doesn't support it. I think the Fire Lords have to have done a pretty good job with their propaganda to keep the public happy.
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    KikitheFiend

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    The fire nation do not have a "free" media though.
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    AlexanderTrebek

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    KikitheFiend wrote:
    The fire nation do not have a "free" media though.


    That's true, but continually sending your sons and daughters to war takes a toll on any society after a while. Especially if that war is in aggression and not defense. To order your soldiers to completely wipe out a culture that has no army and is completely peaceful (air nomads) takes an army that has incredible devotion to your cause. The work of incredibly effective propaganda. Because episodes like The Headband have shown that ordinary fire nation citizens aren't evil, we have to assume that the citizenry truly believes that their nation is doing the right thing by conquering the world.
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    carlsonem

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    AlexanderTrebek wrote:
    KikitheFiend wrote:
    The fire nation do not have a "free" media though.


    That's true, but continually sending your sons and daughters to war takes a toll on any society after a while. Especially if that war is in aggression and not defense. To order your soldiers to completely wipe out a culture that has no army and is completely peaceful (air nomads) takes an army that has incredible devotion to your cause. The work of incredibly effective propaganda. Because episodes like The Headband have shown that ordinary fire nation citizens aren't evil, we have to assume that the citizenry truly believes that their nation is doing the right thing by conquering the world.
    After 100 years of war FN citizens know the boundaries
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