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    orangewhoit

    [1]Nov 21, 2006
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    One thing I really don't understand. If the Elipse stops a firebender's powers why doesn't the firebenders lose their powers during the night? Just think about it if the elipse is the moon blocking the sun then why wouldn't during the night when there is no sun the firebenders in the area of the planet where the sun is not shine upon lose their powers and even if the elipse does block the sun wouldn't it only be for a few minutes? how would that be enough time for the earth kingdom/water tribe strike back at the firenation?
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    SalKing2

    [2]Nov 21, 2006
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    Well, the sun is being blocked in the eclipse but at night it just moves out of view.....
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    phoenixfirework

    [3]Nov 21, 2006
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    Also, the moon's own light is simply the light from the sun being reflected off the moon. And its eClipse. Not elipse.
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    iareally

    [4]Nov 21, 2006
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    Consider during the Season One Finale, when Zhao killed the moon spirit and the moon was completely blocked causing a lunar eclipse. Thats what would happen to the sun.

    Water benders are still able to water bend during the day, because the moon isn't completely blocked its simple not in view.

    Does that make sense?
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    Grintoth

    [5]Nov 21, 2006
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    Nono, I agree with orange. Think about it. Why should the moon blocking the sun be any different from the Earth blocking the sun??? That's all that happens at night. Wow. It's disappointing that avatar can mess up like that.
    Edited on 11/21/2006 8:06pm
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    Grintoth

    [6]Nov 21, 2006
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    iareally wrote:
    Consider during the Season One Finale, when Zhao killed the moon spirit and the moon was completely blocked causing a lunar eclipse. Thats what would happen to the sun.

    Water benders are still able to water bend during the day, because the moon isn't completely blocked its simple not in view.

    Does that make sense?

    It's not in view?? What? That's the same as being blocked. The Earth blocks it.
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    windseeker15

    [7]Nov 21, 2006
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    I think the fact that the moon (representing water) is the opposite of the sun and the element of fire is what blocks the firebender's power, not merely the fact that the sun is out of sight. The clash of the two is the cause.
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    windseeker15

    [8]Nov 21, 2006
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    BTW, I've been wondering about how long the effects of the eclipse are supposed to last. Do firebenders lose their powers from the beginning of the eclipse or only when the sun is totally blocked?

    If they do lose their firebending during the start of the eclipse (when the moon begins to move into position) then there would be a few hours. But the time during which the moon totally blocks out the sun only lasts for a few seconds or a few minutes. There would be no time for a full scale invasion in that case.
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    F1ames

    [9]Nov 21, 2006
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    orangewhoit wrote:
    One thing I really don't understand. If the Elipse stops a firebender's powers why doesn't the firebenders lose their powers during the night? Just think about it if the elipse is the moon blocking the sun then why wouldn't during the night when there is no sun the firebenders in the area of the planet where the sun is not shine upon lose their powers and even if the elipse does block the sun wouldn't it only be for a few minutes? how would that be enough time for the earth kingdom/water tribe strike back at the firenation?


    wow i think u just found one major flaw in avatar cause ur theory makes a lot of sense, so if firebenders should technically lose their powers at night, then waterbenders should lose their powers in the morning. thats a really really good find, genius
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    dark_aquatus

    [10]Nov 21, 2006
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    windseeker15 wrote:
    BTW, I've been wondering about how long the effects of the eclipse are supposed to last. Do firebenders lose their powers from the beginning of the eclipse or only when the sun is totally blocked? If they do lose their firebending during the start of the eclipse (when the moon begins to move into position) then there would be a few hours. But the time during which the moon totally blocks out the sun only lasts for a few seconds or a few minutes. There would be no time for a full scale invasion in that case.
    no, the entire day... Sokka said so during the last episode ow, and about the moon representing the water, which is the reason for the fire benders not being able to bend fire: i think u freakin' read my mind! i was going to post something like this

    edit: F1ames, you are sooo wrong... i think we already have the explination. just read windseeker his post!

    Edited on 11/21/2006 11:43pm
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    masterofaeons

    [11]Nov 22, 2006
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    An elipse is a sort of oval.
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    Grintoth

    [12]Nov 22, 2006
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    I thought it was elipsoid
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    masterofaeons

    [13]Nov 22, 2006
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    Anything elliptical.
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    MCMLXVI

    [14]Nov 22, 2006
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    For the sake of the series, the effects would??last a whole day (i.e. "The Darkest Day", not "The Darkest Hours").
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    kris11191

    [15]Nov 22, 2006
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    well actually, you have an extremely good point and found a major flaw.

    In reality a solar eclipse is extremely rare and only happens in a certain region of space. The chance of it happening on the fire nation is a bit to convenient. A lunar eclipse is a lot more likely statictis's wise. Also a solar exlipse usually only lasts from 5 minutes to 30 minutes and is fully covered a very short period of time. So heres where im getting at if this actually happens theory wise.

    -If the eclipse blocks the fire benders powers, then so should night because the sun is pointing at a different hemisphere on earth when a hemisphere is the opposite revolution side from the sun which causes indirect sun rays. Same with the eclipse's the solar eclipse only blocks a limited part of the earth from the sun but the rest of the Earth still gets it inderectly (sun rays).

    So time and theory wise this is logically impossible.

    However this proves during the SOFTN that Zuko couldn't have really firebended because of no sun rays (north pole.)

    However I think the Avatar makers have a great plot and I dont really care if it has to make sense...just enjoying the animation and fighting.
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    MCMLXVI

    [16]Nov 22, 2006
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    I am not so sure that the physical blocking (lunar eclipse, solar eclipse, sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moon-set, or even ordinary shade) is the problem, but a conflict of the corresponding energies (perhaps I could call it a spiritual block).
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    dark_aquatus

    [17]Nov 22, 2006
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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    I am not so sure that the physical blocking (lunar eclipse, solar eclipse, sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moon-set, or even ordinary shade) is the problem, but a conflict of the corresponding energies (perhaps I could call it a spiritual block).


    we've already explained this, and now this friendly person is explaining you all once again
    read it, understand it, and accept it!
    no more topics about this subject please... the case is already closed, because this is a reasonable explination. and if u dont mind, id rather have a reasonable explination then find other options which would make a giant error in this story.
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    BwayJ

    [18]Nov 22, 2006
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    Here are my two cents:

    This is not our world. Things happen there that do happen here (bending, the combined animals). Therefore, the eclipse happening a whole day would not be out of the ordinary. Also, I do not think the firebenders' power will be taken away. It will just be weakened to the point that they could be defeated once and for all. In that respect, the eclipse would work out because there will be very little light, whereas at night, there is light from the moon, but it is not as bright as sunlight.
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    MCMLXVI

    [19]Nov 22, 2006
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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    I am not so sure that the physical blocking (lunar eclipse, solar eclipse, sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moon-set, or even ordinary shade) is the problem, but a conflict of the corresponding energies (perhaps I could call it a spiritual block).
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    we've already explained this, and now this friendly person is explaining you all once again read it, understand it, and accept it! no more topics about this subject please... the case is already closed, because this is a reasonable explanation. and if u don't mind, id rather have a reasonable explanation then find other options which would make a giant error in this story.
    Or, as I like to say (NOT), "Children, behave!"

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    Raikiri1103

    [20]Nov 22, 2006
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    First of all you people are basing your theories on REAL WORLD STUFF and comparing to a FICTIONAL WORLD full of spirits and monsters and the ability to bend an element. The obvious reason firebenders loose their power during the eclipse is: since what powers a firebender's chi is the sun, when the moon covers up the sun, firebenders loose their ability to make chi interact with fire. Its not the simple fact that they cant see the sun so they cant bend, if that were true then they wouldn't be able to bend at night. It all has to do with the whole spirit and chi and energy stuff in this show, not with a bender's ability to see the source of their energy(moon/sun). Even though a firebender wont see the sun at night they still receive some energy from it becuase its still shining on the earth. During the eclipse absolutely no light/energy is being recieved from the sun, so the firebenders cant bend. All of this should be obvious from the events in "The Seige of the North", Katara was winning the fight against Zuko becuase waterbenders are particularly stronger at night when the moon is shining its energy to the waterbenders. When the sun came up Zuko suddenly got a burst of power becuase the fire benders source of energy was now shining over that area of the world and firebenders are at full strength. Firebenders simply become a little weaker during the night. And obviously the moon is not just a normal moon, but a spirit of sorts. Remember when the physical incarnation of the moon spirit was killed the moon suddenly disapeared. If the sun also has a spirit, killing it would make the sun disapear and render the firebenders powerless. But the next best thing is a temporal stop in the flow of energy which is the eclipse.
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