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| nzinga13 wrote: |
| because remember on the crossroads of destiny when he said that the fire nation took his mother to |
| aalaois wrote: |
| it's definitely not a plot by Zuko and Iroh.?? Zuko fought too well against Aang, nearly doing Aang in himself a couple times.?? Also, the shame-look cements that Iroh does not approve... it could be an act but I don't think the writers would put it in if it were. I do think Zuko's not stupid about Azula and is plotting against her.?? I am not so sure he's even all that obsessed with his father's approval at this point; he wants to find out what happened to his mother and remain loyal to the firenation he grew up loving. anyway, Zuko won't turn until the Series Finale.?? It's too good of a plot to have a conflicted bad-guy; in my humble opinion it's what made Season 1 slightly superior to Season 2... the bad guy in Season 2 was too obviously and stereotypically always bad and evil.?? the conflicted bad guy is what made season 1 so compelling, and I have a feeling it will be a great addition to the entire duration of season 3. |
I think if Zuko really did convert over, he would have made the final blow at the Avatar to Really make his point that he's on her side. Whether he could have stopped Azula's final blow, I don't know, for he wasn't able to stop Azula hitting Iroh the same way. And that's one of the main reasons I think Zuko is working with Iroh and that Iroh doesn't need to be saved but is strategically where he wants to be to take down Azula. Azula nearly killed Aang the same way she almost killed Iroh, I'd hope that'd bring up some Really negative feelings/memories in Zuko at that moment.
??The shame look was probably a convincing act, beacuse Zuko knows his sister is perceptive and brilliant. You've got to be *good* and thorough to convince Azula of anything. Or the shame look was how he had to almost hurt the Avatar and Katara (especially after their talk in the caves) by supposedly betraying them. I think it's interesting -as you mentioned, to wonder whether he's using his advantage to now find exactly what happened to his mother. He knows she's gone, but does he know the details? Plus his mother seemed to be the kindest towards him other than his uncle. So what would his mother do if she was in Zuko's shoes, I have a feeling that thought may influence him.
| nzinga13 wrote: |
| dont you think zukos mother is dead |
ya know, I have always wondered that
| Nalesnik wrote: |
| What! Am I the only one that thinks Zuko won't save Iroh? Well, I do believe that Zuko will return to the good side, but not by saving Iroh, maybe some other sort of redemption. |
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| JengoFett6 wrote: | ||||
Yes, that's exactly what he means. Zuko will try but he will be too late.....cus Iroh broke himself out! |
| JengoFett6 wrote: | ||||
Yes, that's exactly what he means. Zuko will try but he will be too late.....cus Iroh broke himself out! |
| HopeAndTruth wrote: |
| do you guys think that one gilr that likes Suko will give him??a talk ??? |
| aalaois wrote: |
| I donno, I think you make Zuko out to be far more cunning than he really is in battle. at this point he's clearly a great fighter, but he's not so masterful as to be able to pull off what you claim he did. he was seriously trying to fight aang. I think the emphasis the writers placed on Iroh's shame look is an indication that Iroh is truly disappointed. Zuko may be plotting something against Azula, but it's not a something on aang's side and thus not on Iroh's either. he doesn't like aang at all. He wanted the firenation to conquer Ba Sing Sei; the firenation is his very own earthly-attachment-chakra... as well as his mother who he wants to find and can only do so by being accepted again in the firenation. Iroh knew and Zuko knew that if Zuko was fighting with the Avatar, Azula would not stand a chance. This would be a hairbrained scheme certainly not fitting of Iroh's wisdom. |
No, Iroh will save himself he doens't need help.
If the entire Zuko helping Azula thing was all part of a plan by Iroh than still Zuko won't because Iroh's going to be spending time talking to the EK generals.
If Zuko honestly did pick Azula's side than again no because Iroh's already spent two seasons with Zuko and having Zuko spit in his face after all that time. Iroh won't accept his help.
either way the answer from me is no.
| aalaois wrote: |
| I donno, I think you make Zuko out to be far more cunning than he really is in battle. at this point he's clearly a great fighter, but he's not so masterful as to be able to pull off what you claim he did. he was seriously trying to fight aang. I think the emphasis the writers placed on Iroh's shame look is an indication that Iroh is truly disappointed. Zuko may be plotting something against Azula, but it's not a something on aang's side and thus not on Iroh's either. he doesn't like aang at all. He wanted the firenation to conquer Ba Sing Sei; the firenation is his very own earthly-attachment-chakra... as well as his mother who he wants to find and can only do so by being accepted again in the firenation. Iroh knew and Zuko knew that if Zuko was fighting with the Avatar, Azula would not stand a chance. This would be a hairbrained scheme certainly not fitting of Iroh's wisdom. |
Perhaps I am giving Zuko too much credit, but I'd still like to think that he has cunning in him somewhere. After all he's been through,I was hoping to see him really become comfortable with his talents and start using his mind. Even Iroh got after him for not thinking and planning ahead/strategically (yelled at him for it in Lake Laogai). I am hoping that this may be a chance for Zuko to come into his own. There's really no telling what Iroh knows about Zuko's change of heart, because of the two of them, he's certainly the most sneaky.
I'm also wondering if they could be sure that Azula would go down with Zuko on the Avatar's side. I keep remembering the episode where Azula received a combined bending hit from Toph, Uncle Iroh, Aang, Katara and Zuko and she still didn't collapse. With Aang in the Avatar state with Zuko fighting beside him, they certainly would have won, however, I can't remember how aware Uncle Iroh or Zuko are of the Avatar state yet, or how much they understand its real power. I don't remember how much they saw of it during the Seige of the North. So please correct me if I'm forgetting something.
Last, it occured to me that if Zuko did indeed want to look for his mother, I wonder if he's asked Iroh. Iroh would probably know. But you're right about him having to get back into the fire nation regardless.
