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Do you think Aang is better of without Katara?

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    xRamensx

    [21]Jun 7, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
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    Katara does this because she doesn't know that Aang needs to let her go. If he just told her, I'm sure she'd understand in a heartbeat.

    But the giving up thing doesn't mean he has to stop loving her all together, he just can't emotionally attach himself to her when the world needs to be saved or something.

    Look at Ta Min, she and Roku obviously loved each other, but when the time came, Ta Min had to know when give him up. Same goes for Katara, she has to know when to give up Aang, and Aang has to know when to give up Katara. If Katara wasn't there, I think Aang would have gone insane a while ago.

    Thank you, Ramens, you summed up my thoughts much more clearly than I could have. The problem is I don't think Aang knows (or doesn't want to admit) that he can't emotionally attach himself to her.

    Aang is only 12/13. When the Guru told him to give up his Earthly attachments, he heard "You can never love Katara!" He took it the wrong way and messed up.

    Aang being shot by Azula wasn't Katara's fault at all. In fact, they might have been in a worse situation if Katara wasn't there; she put up an amazing fight against Azula, and Aang would have stayed dead if Katara wasn't there to heal him.

    Without Katara, Aang would still be in that iceberg, and the world would be even more messed up. So Katara plays a huge part in the show.

    But he wouldn't have been down there if Katara wasn't down there, remember that. They just shouldn't be so close. It's creating huge problems that are effecting Aang's decisions.

    Aang just needs to learn how to separate his emotions from his goals, and Katara needs to know how to let him do such.

    They're kids after all, they have trouble seeing the big picture.

    If they learn to do that, I don't think Katara would get in the way. Besides, Aang needs the gentle guidance of Katara.

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    isabelwhatx

    [22]Jun 7, 2008
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    xRamensx wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    Katara does this because she doesn't know that Aang needs to let her go. If he just told her, I'm sure she'd understand in a heartbeat.

    But the giving up thing doesn't mean he has to stop loving her all together, he just can't emotionally attach himself to her when the world needs to be saved or something.

    Look at Ta Min, she and Roku obviously loved each other, but when the time came, Ta Min had to know when give him up. Same goes for Katara, she has to know when to give up Aang, and Aang has to know when to give up Katara. If Katara wasn't there, I think Aang would have gone insane a while ago.

    Thank you, Ramens, you summed up my thoughts much more clearly than I could have. The problem is I don't think Aang knows (or doesn't want to admit) that he can't emotionally attach himself to her.

    Aang is only 12/13. When the Guru told him to give up his Earthly attachments, he heard "You can never love Katara!" He took it the wrong way and messed up.

    Aang being shot by Azula wasn't Katara's fault at all. In fact, they might have been in a worse situation if Katara wasn't there; she put up an amazing fight against Azula, and Aang would have stayed dead if Katara wasn't there to heal him.

    Without Katara, Aang would still be in that iceberg, and the world would be even more messed up. So Katara plays a huge part in the show.

    But he wouldn't have been down there if Katara wasn't down there, remember that. They just shouldn't be so close. It's creating huge problems that are effecting Aang's decisions.

    Aang just needs to learn how to separate his emotions from his goals, and Katara needs to know how to let him do such.

    They're kids after all, they have trouble seeing the big picture.

    If they learn to do that, I don't think Katara would get in the way. Besides, Aang needs the gentle guidance of Katara.


    True. They have to find a happy medium.
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    DeeDuck33

    [23]Jun 7, 2008
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    I think Katara helps Aang more than hurts him. Sure, his love of her has lead him down some dangerous roads, but Katara has kept him from being a maniac killing machine. Remember The Desert? Without Katara, Aang would have literally kicked each and every sandbender's a** (innocent or not) and left them for dead. Remember The Storm? Who knows what emotional state Aang would be in now if she had not encouraged him to share his feelings? There are plenty of examples of Katara keeping Aang from loosing it. Sure, she has kept him from some good things too, but those are few. It's not a matter of "that could have been anyone" because it was her, and that's the important part. Plus, Aang has helped Katara in many ways too. They are better with each other than without. They are each other's support.

    *Thinks of "Make Me Better" by Fabulous featuring Ne-Yo*
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    MarryLarry

    [24]Jun 7, 2008
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    Aang made his own decision about love over power. And judging by the finale trailer, he's going to have to re-evaluate that choice. But in the end, the only one who can truly answer your question is Aang himself...or the writers.
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    -TheSecondSign-

    [26]Jun 7, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Ravel93 wrote:
    Aang definitely needs her. Without Katara, Aang would still be in the iceberg.
    Yeah, but anyone could've discovered him. It wasn't her especially, you know?

    But if it had been any longer, the airbenders would not be the only extinct group.

    Edit: Sorry for putting "Alive" infront of "Extinct"....

    ...

    Edited on 06/07/2008 6:04pm
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    -TheSecondSign-

    [27]Jun 7, 2008
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    Aang is far too emotional. There is very obviously some way of being both a complete Avatar and retaining earthly attachments, or else Roku would never have married or lived the life that he did, but I actually see Aang as a kind of person who would be weaker without those attachments than he would be sheer power.


    Those attachments motivate Aang well beyond what he could've been motivated to do without them. Avatar guidance or not, his earthly attachments have been a major driving force.

    I'm not saying I have a problem with him being so emotional(Even though, I won't lie to you, I find the idea of pacifism a stupid and, in truth, impossible ideal), but it's ultimately what drives him as a person.

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    MarryLarry

    [28]Jun 7, 2008
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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'm not saying I have a problem with him being so emotional(Even though, I won't lie to you, I find the idea of pacifism a stupid and, in truth, impossible ideal), but it's ultimately what drives him as a person.

    People and countries use pacifism every day to solve problems. It simply means a way to solve disputes without bloodshed. Unless you're talking about universal pacifism...which can also be attainable if you exterminate everyone who disagrees with you.

    So any objections

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    -TheSecondSign-

    [29]Jun 7, 2008
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    MarryLarry wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    I'm not saying I have a problem with him being so emotional(Even though, I won't lie to you, I find the idea of pacifism a stupid and, in truth, impossible ideal), but it's ultimately what drives him as a person.

    People and countries use pacifism every day to solve problems. It simply means a way to solve disputes without bloodshed. Unless you're talking about universal pacifism...which can also be attainable if you exterminate everyone who disagrees with you.

    So any objections

    I was referring to universal pacifism.

    There are many times when pacifism is the better option, but to follow a universal "no killing" rule for everyone does not work, and it never will.

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    Aryck1095

    [30]Jun 7, 2008
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    Katara is what drives him. Without Katara, Aang has nothing to fight for, nothing to live for. Why shouldn't he and Katara be together? Because he's the Avatar? Because he has to put the world before her? Aang is a 12-year old boy who has risked his LIFE to bring peace over and over again, and has asked for nothing in return. After all he has done, the love of a beautiful, compassionate girl is very little to ask for.

    I think you people are saying that Aang is better off without Katara because you want her to end up with Zuko. If that's the case, then this is just another way of preaching your ship. Stop trying to convince everyone that ZuTara is better, because we're all tired of hearing your nonsense.

    One more thing: If you would break Aangs heart just so that Katara can end up with Zuko, then that is very sick and cruel.

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    suss2it

    [31]Jun 7, 2008
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    Seriously without Katara Aang would still be frozen, they're weren't any waterbenders around the South Pole to free him. And in CoD even without Katara being there Aang would've had to have a fight Azula and Dai Li agents somewhere and once he tries to ascend to the Avatar Sate Azula would still shoot him with lightning, only difference is that he would stay dead.
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    AnimeAngel90

    [32]Jun 8, 2008
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    Aryck1095 wrote:

    Katara is what drives him. Without Katara, Aang has nothing to fight for, nothing to live for. Why shouldn't he and Katara be together? Because he's the Avatar? Because he has to put the world before her? Aang is a 12-year old boy who has risked his LIFE to bring peace over and over again, and has asked for nothing in return. After all he has done, the love of a beautiful, compassionate girl is very little to ask for.

    I think you people are saying that Aang is better off without Katara because you want her to end up with Zuko. If that's the case, then this is just another way of preaching your ship. Stop trying to convince everyone that ZuTara is better, because we're all tired of hearing your nonsense.

    One more thing: If you would break Aangs heart just so that Katara can end up with Zuko, then that is very sick and cruel.
    Actually, a few of the people who said he's better off aren't actually zutarians (at least, not that I know of).

    To start with, yes, I am a Zutarian. But do I think Aang is better off without Katara? No, I don't. I think Aang would be better off without his current feelings for Katara, but he still needs her. Girlfriend/mother figure/whatever, she is a calming influence on his life. She helps him keep it together. So yes, Aang does need her, but I do think he needs to change his feelings for her. Now, this could mean letting her go completely, but Aang just can't do that. Its like impossible, especially for him. She's practically his life, he can't just turn off his feelings for her. What I think Aang needs to do is love her enough to realise he needs to let her go. Love her enough to let her go off and do her own thing. Love her enough to let her go.

    In a way, he'd be protecting her as well. Because, if she stays around and falls in love with him or whatever, at some point she's going to get hurt. He's the Avatar - at some stage he'll be hurt, or required to go all AS, and she'll be hurt by him (emotionally, not like he's gonna go bash her up or anything, lol). So, if Aang lets her go, it means he loves her enough to protect her, keep her safe, and let her move on.

    Besides, think of the awesome character building. If he has the strength to let go of his earthly attachment by loving her enough to let her go.....my respect for Aang will go through the roof. Yes, it will be sad that his heart will be broken, but this way is much nicer than her going off and snogging Zuko or whatever (which would be tragic all around, because even Zutarians would be upset that we got no real closure for kataang).

    I dunno. Basically, I think Aang does need Katara, but he's better off without the feelings he has for her. But as he can't just forget her, or cut her completely out of his life, I think he just has to love her enough to let her go. Love her enough to know the world and his duty is more important. Love enough to let her go.

    Ok, I'll be quiet now.......
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    Sajuucore

    [33]Jun 8, 2008
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    MaddoKos wrote:

    I've said before that Aang will have to use the Avatar State to defeat Ozai. Thus, he'll need to give up Katara.

    So the short answer is "yes."

    *dives out of the way of the oncoming horde of Zutarians*

    I think that aspect is actually adding to a more advanced drama and setup to the story.

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    MaddoKos

    [34]Jun 8, 2008
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    Aryck1095 wrote:
    I think you people are saying that Aang is better off without Katara because you want her to end up with Zuko. If that's the case, then this is just another way of preaching your ship. Stop trying to convince everyone that ZuTara is better, because we're all tired of hearing your nonsense.

    One more thing: If you would break Aangs heart just so that Katara can end up with Zuko, then that is very sick and cruel.

    Actually, I don't think that at all. For me, Zutara =

    *dives into bunker to hide from Zutarians*

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    suss2it

    [35]Jun 25, 2008
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    This is a pretty good discussion and interesting too, I think we should discuss it further.
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    ElysianGem

    [37]Jun 25, 2008
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    suss2it wrote:
    This is a pretty good discussion and interesting too, I think we should discuss it further.

    necro thread

    Aang and Katara complement each other. They have a very strong friendship and have gone through many mistakes that have taught them how to be better people.

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