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Did Zuko master his broadswords?

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    fatzombiepigeon

    [1]Jun 10, 2008
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    I was watching Zuko Alone and he seemed pretty skilled. Is he a master with those?
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    -TheSecondSign-

    [2]Jun 10, 2008
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    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.

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    dark_aquatus

    [3]Jun 10, 2008
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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.


    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending...
    We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD
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    -TheSecondSign-

    [4]Jun 10, 2008
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    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.

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    MaddoKos

    [5]Jun 11, 2008
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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.


    Zuko was likely holding back. If he'd wanted to employ his swords with lethal force, he probably could have taken those guys down fairly easily. But he was intentionally fighting a primarily defensive battle.
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    isabelwhatx

    [6]Jun 11, 2008
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    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.


    Zuko was likely holding back. If he'd wanted to employ his swords with lethal force, he probably could have taken those guys down fairly easily. But he was intentionally fighting a primarily defensive battle.

    I agree. Zuko can pwn with those swords. I don't think he's a master, just because he, I'm sure, spends most of his time learning fire bending techniques, but I'm sure he has had some significant training.
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    4nationfury

    [7]Jun 11, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.
    Zuko was likely holding back. If he'd wanted to employ his swords with lethal force, he probably could have taken those guys down fairly easily. But he was intentionally fighting a primarily defensive battle.
    I agree. Zuko can pwn with those swords. I don't think he's a master, just because he, I'm sure, spends most of his time learning fire bending techniques, but I'm sure he has had some significant training.

    Yeah. I wouldn't call him a master, but he is highly skilled. Now Piandao, he's a true sword master. You've got to give Zuko some credit though. He was facing off against a bender throwing rocks at him. Its not easy to deflect huge stones with nothing but broadswords.

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    Eman5805

    [8]Jun 11, 2008
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    For the record, Zuko is self-taught at using the broadswords.

    Edit: Wow, I just now noticed that I've hit 5,000 posts.

    Edited on 06/11/2008 3:40pm
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    thewerewolfmage

    [9]Jun 11, 2008
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    I wouldn't call him a master, but I would call him a damn fine swordsman. In all honesty, it feels like he may have a bit of an edge over some others. Especially when he uses his sword skills and bending together.
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    The_Sovereign04

    [10]Jun 11, 2008
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    is this thread necessary?
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    yogi_tulsii

    [11]Jun 12, 2008
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    4nationfury wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.
    Zuko was likely holding back. If he'd wanted to employ his swords with lethal force, he probably could have taken those guys down fairly easily. But he was intentionally fighting a primarily defensive battle.
    I agree. Zuko can pwn with those swords. I don't think he's a master, just because he, I'm sure, spends most of his time learning fire bending techniques, but I'm sure he has had some significant training.

    Yeah. I wouldn't call him a master, but he is highly skilled. Now Piandao, he's a true sword master. You've got to give Zuko some credit though. He was facing off against a bender throwing rocks at him. Its not easy to deflect huge stones with nothing but broadswords.

    Ahh, but you forget, he just needed to dodge them and strike that guy witht he swords. Althouh this is Nickelodeon..

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    BlindWatcher400

    [12]Jun 12, 2008
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    Did Zuko master his broadswords?

    Considering he can pick **** up with them and stack them neatly... I suppose so.

    *coughnoobcough*

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    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.
    Zuko was likely holding back. If he'd wanted to employ his swords with lethal force, he probably could have taken those guys down fairly easily. But he was intentionally fighting a primarily defensive battle.

    Either that or he simply hasn't mastered them yet. I can see him holding back, considering he can jump near 20 feet easy(The Boiling Rock) and is easily the strongest of the main cast, as well as possibly the most agile, I can't see him even having to strike the rocks, he should've just dodged them.

    He was either holding back, wasn't at the same skill level he is now, or merely employs them for lesser battles.

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    MaddoKos

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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.
    Zuko was likely holding back. If he'd wanted to employ his swords with lethal force, he probably could have taken those guys down fairly easily. But he was intentionally fighting a primarily defensive battle.

    Either that or he simply hasn't mastered them yet. I can see him holding back, considering he can jump near 20 feet easy(The Boiling Rock) and is easily the strongest of the main cast, as well as possibly the most agile, I can't see him even having to strike the rocks, he should've just dodged them.

    He was either holding back, wasn't at the same skill level he is now, or merely employs them for lesser battles.


    It takes more energy to dodge than block, and being able to knock flung rocks out of the air like that without damaging your arm or your sword shows a pretty high skill level.
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    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.
    Zuko was likely holding back. If he'd wanted to employ his swords with lethal force, he probably could have taken those guys down fairly easily. But he was intentionally fighting a primarily defensive battle.

    Either that or he simply hasn't mastered them yet. I can see him holding back, considering he can jump near 20 feet easy(The Boiling Rock) and is easily the strongest of the main cast, as well as possibly the most agile, I can't see him even having to strike the rocks, he should've just dodged them.

    He was either holding back, wasn't at the same skill level he is now, or merely employs them for lesser battles.
    It takes more energy to dodge than block, and being able to knock flung rocks out of the air like that without damaging your arm or your sword shows a pretty high skill level.

    Well judging by some battles in Avatar elemental attacks are pretty slow.

    Im remember his fight with Zhao, how Zhao just took one step to the left real casual and dodged an entire fireball.

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    MaddoKos

    [16]Jun 12, 2008
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    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:
    dark_aquatus wrote:
    -TheSecondSign- wrote:

    Doubt it. To be outmatched by a single officer who can throw rocks with hammers is proof of that. If that were Mai or Ty Lee, all three would have been down in three seconds.

    Zuko is "refined", as in skilled.

    A person with his strength, agility, and physical force should have OWNED those guys with ease if he was really a master.

    Other guys who use weapons would have ended it in three seconds.
    You're forgetting that he was never defeated by his ''hammers'', he was getting owned by earthbending, and only after he pwned those two other soldiers who couldn't earthbend. And the only reason for that, is that Zuko wasn't using his firebending... We don't know from who Zuko learned his skills in broadswords, but he got pretty darn good at it xD

    But other weapon users who can't bend can easily take down people of considerably higher skill level than that one guy.

    Zuko is very dependant on his bending for heavy battles.
    Zuko was likely holding back. If he'd wanted to employ his swords with lethal force, he probably could have taken those guys down fairly easily. But he was intentionally fighting a primarily defensive battle.

    Either that or he simply hasn't mastered them yet. I can see him holding back, considering he can jump near 20 feet easy(The Boiling Rock) and is easily the strongest of the main cast, as well as possibly the most agile, I can't see him even having to strike the rocks, he should've just dodged them.

    He was either holding back, wasn't at the same skill level he is now, or merely employs them for lesser battles.
    It takes more energy to dodge than block, and being able to knock flung rocks out of the air like that without damaging your arm or your sword shows a pretty high skill level.

    Well judging by some battles in Avatar elemental attacks are pretty slow.

    Im remember his fight with Zhao, how Zhao just took one step to the left real casual and dodged an entire fireball.


    Yeah but gouts of flame would tend to move slower than hurled rocks.
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    Glitterstrar

    [17]Jul 29, 2008
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    In my opinion, hell ya.
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    Pablo_808

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    In "City of Walls and Secrets" he and Jet were both evenly matched, and Jet is pretty well skilled in swordsmanship as well.
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