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Did He Use It To His Advantage?

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    thewerewolfmage

    [1]Jun 3, 2008
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    As I sit here typing this, "The Storm" is on. I was sitting here and thinking during the scene where Iroh explains about Zuko. Yes, we know Iroh says that by speaking out in the war room of the Fire Lord, Zuko insulted him.

    But I was thinking: perhaps by insulting the general, Zuko was meant to duel the general. But Ozai could have used him saying such in his war room as an excuse to burn and banish his son. Let's face it: the man sees an opportunity and he takes it. And he was willing to kill his son.

    Clearly Zuko isn't his favorite.

    So what do you think? Is Iroh right, or just Ozai just use this to his advantage?

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    tomtitan

    [2]Jun 3, 2008
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    Ozai always wanted Zuko out of the way so that his favourite child Azula would get the throne.
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    isabelwhatx

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    I think it was purposeful. Ursa betrayed Ozai, basically, and went against his wishes. He despises her. Ursa did those things to help Zuko. Obviously, Ozai must have some sort of resentment against Zuko.
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    WaterMaster23

    [4]Jun 3, 2008
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    I agree that Zuko isn't Ozai's favorite person in the world, but I don't think he used Zuko's outburst as an excuse to burn, and banish him, though I'm sure he enjoyed doing it. Being a general himself and the crown prince I'm sure Iroh knew the rules and etiquette of the war room well.
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    picaboomman

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    WaterMaster23 wrote:
    I agree that Zuko isn't Ozai's favorite person in the world, but I don't think he used Zuko's outburst as an excuse to burn, and banish him, though I'm sure he enjoyed doing it. Being a general himself and the crown prince I'm sure Iroh knew the rules and etiquette of the war room well.

    child abuse!!!!
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    thewerewolfmage

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    True Iroh knew the rules of the war room but I don't think he expected Zuko to speak out of turn. Or know of the general using newbs as a distraction. I wonder if he blames himself for allowing Zuko inside.
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    yillyiscool

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    picaboomman wrote:
    WaterMaster23 wrote:
    I agree that Zuko isn't Ozai's favorite person in the world, but I don't think he used Zuko's outburst as an excuse to burn, and banish him, though I'm sure he enjoyed doing it. Being a general himself and the crown prince I'm sure Iroh knew the rules and etiquette of the war room well.
    child abuse!!!!
    Iroh: it's Iroh time!

    Kid: Not again dad!

    Edited on 06/03/2008 4:05pm
    Edited 2 total times.
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    Ravel93

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    thewerewolfmage wrote:

    As I sit here typing this, "The Storm" is on. I was sitting here and thinking during the scene where Iroh explains about Zuko. Yes, we know Iroh says that by speaking out in the war room of the Fire Lord, Zuko insulted him.

    But I was thinking: perhaps by insulting the general, Zuko was meant to duel the general. But Ozai could have used him saying such in his war room as an excuse to burn and banish his son. Let's face it: the man sees an opportunity and he takes it. And he was willing to kill his son.

    Clearly Zuko isn't his favorite.

    So what do you think? Is Iroh right, or just Ozai just use this to his advantage?

    I'm sure Ozai took advantage of the situation. He's always hated Zuko, to the point that if Zuko made one mistake, he'd go berserk. He took the fact that Zuko talked out of turn and used it as an excuse to burn him.

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    isabelwhatx

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    Ravel93 wrote:
    thewerewolfmage wrote:

    As I sit here typing this, "The Storm" is on. I was sitting here and thinking during the scene where Iroh explains about Zuko. Yes, we know Iroh says that by speaking out in the war room of the Fire Lord, Zuko insulted him.

    But I was thinking: perhaps by insulting the general, Zuko was meant to duel the general. But Ozai could have used him saying such in his war room as an excuse to burn and banish his son. Let's face it: the man sees an opportunity and he takes it. And he was willing to kill his son.

    Clearly Zuko isn't his favorite.

    So what do you think? Is Iroh right, or just Ozai just use this to his advantage?

    I'm sure Ozai took advantage of the situation. He's always hated Zuko, to the point that if Zuko made one mistake, he'd go berserk. He took the fact that Zuko talked out of turn and used it as an excuse to burn him.


    I agree. He resented Zuko's mother, and therefore he resented Zuko himself.
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    -TheSecondSign-

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    Like a crazy sociopath, yes.
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    chikitabonita

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    Wait, if it was Ursa who really took down the FireLord, why would Ozai despise his wife. It's kinda like Macbeth from Shakespeare, but anyway... I really think Azula talked her dad into hurting Zuko. She wouldn't do it herself, so that Zuko would always question her motives and Ozai's motives. It worked, it took Zuko this long to figure out the truth; and in that time, Ozai realized Azula would be the leader he wants. If that makes any sense at all... : )
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    suss2it

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    Maybe Ozai just wanted a perfect son to match is daughter, and couldn't stand Zuko's ignorance and disrespectful ways of interrupting a general while talking. Also Ozai must've realized that his son was weak for not wanting to sacrifice newbs, so he decided to rid himself of him.
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    xRamensx

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    I think deep down, Ozai loved Zuko, but Ozai was raised to praise the strong (for some reason I wrote stoner oO) and look down on the weak. He probably also never thought an offspring of his would be "weak". So when Ozai saw that Zuko struggled, Ozai didn't know how to deal with it.

    Ozai might have been like Zuko when he was younger, but Azulon, being a prodigy, beat it out of him. So Ozai grew up emotionally messed up, and also had an older brother who got more recognition than him. So when Zuko when was shown to struggle at Firebending, Ozai reacted like Azulon had, and looked down on his son. And then comes in Azula, who was naturally gifted at Firebending, so Ozai started focusing on preening Azula to be like the person he wanted to be.

    Ozai burning and banishing Zuko was probably his way of either toughening up Zuko, or damaging him mentally and physically. When Zuko returned three years later, and not only was Zuko alive, he had "killed" the Avatar. Ozai didn't even seem surprised that Zuko had done this. I think Ozai saw potential in Zuko, but since it wasn't apparent, Ozai didn't know how deal with that and would have rather focus on the child who didn't have to work as hard.

    But that's just my theory. Like Azula, I don't think Ozai is a completely a heartless bastard. Well.. He is. But I think there's some good in there too. Deep, deep down. I'm a firm believer that everyone is capable of evil, but they're also capable of good.

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    picaboomman

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    meh take what you will iroh was right
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    xRamensx

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    picaboomman wrote:
    meh take what you will iroh was right

    Bout what?

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    thewerewolfmage wrote:

    As I sit here typing this, "The Storm" is on. I was sitting here and thinking during the scene where Iroh explains about Zuko. Yes, we know Iroh says that by speaking out in the war room of the Fire Lord, Zuko insulted him.

    But I was thinking: perhaps by insulting the general, Zuko was meant to duel the general. But Ozai could have used him saying such in his war room as an excuse to burn and banish his son. Let's face it: the man sees an opportunity and he takes it. And he was willing to kill his son.

    Clearly Zuko isn't his favorite.

    So what do you think? Is Iroh right, or just Ozai just use this to his advantage?



    actually zuko wanted his band to perform in the emo-battle of the bands, but thats sissy, so ozai wouldnt let him, but he still went,
    zuko isnt banished, hes just doing it so ozai can love him
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    What we've seen of Ozai, he's very sensitive when it comes to his pride and power. Zuko (in a way) went against his power and damaged his pride and we all know Ozai will do anything to maintain both. I don't think he took Zuko's "outburst" as an opportunity to oust him. Of course, Ozai didn't feel any remorse or regret for he isn't proud of Zuko.
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    PsychoPass wrote:
    What we've seen of Ozai, he's very sensitive when it comes to his pride and power. Zuko (in a way) went against his power and damaged his pride and we all know Ozai will do anything to maintain both. I don't think he took Zuko's "outburst" as an opportunity to oust him. Of course, Ozai didn't feel any remorse or regret for he isn't proud of Zuko.


    because zuko isnt his! Ura was having an affair!!!!!!!!!
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    Vxiel

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    suss2it wrote:
    Maybe Ozai just wanted a perfect son to match is daughter, and couldn't stand Zuko's ignorance and disrespectful ways of interrupting a general while talking. Also Ozai must've realized that his son was weak for not wanting to sacrifice newbs, so he decided to rid himself of him.

    Yep. Ozai seems like a megalomaniac, so the thought of having his only son and eldest child, probably disgusted him so much he seized the opportunity abd disconnect himself from Zuko. Also, he probably thought in the most unlikely event that he finds the Avatar and brings him to the Fire Nation would hail his son a hero and he could welcome him back. Smart move

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    xRamensx wrote:

    I think deep down, Ozai loved Zuko, but Ozai was raised to praise the strong (for some reason I wrote stoner oO) and look down on the weak. He probably also never thought an offspring of his would be "weak". So when Ozai saw that Zuko struggled, Ozai didn't know how to deal with it.

    Ozai might have been like Zuko when he was younger, but Azulon, being a prodigy, beat it out of him. So Ozai grew up emotionally messed up, and also had an older brother who got more recognition than him. So when Zuko when was shown to struggle at Firebending, Ozai reacted like Azulon had, and looked down on his son. And then comes in Azula, who was naturally gifted at Firebending, so Ozai started focusing on preening Azula to be like the person he wanted to be.

    Ozai burning and banishing Zuko was probably his way of either toughening up Zuko, or damaging him mentally and physically. When Zuko returned three years later, and not only was Zuko alive, he had "killed" the Avatar. Ozai didn't even seem surprised that Zuko had done this. I think Ozai saw potential in Zuko, but since it wasn't apparent, Ozai didn't know how deal with that and would have rather focus on the child who didn't have to work as hard.

    But that's just my theory. Like Azula, I don't think Ozai is a completely a heartless bastard. Well.. He is. But I think there's some good in there too. Deep, deep down. I'm a firm believer that everyone is capable of evil, but they're also capable of good.

    looks like a fair assesment to me
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