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    Gantros

    [1]Aug 28, 2006
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    I've decided to create a third 'Dark Avatar' post, focusing on solely the agenda that is potentially over-arching the entire series. This is my take, based on my "Evil Twin" origin:

    After the Dark Avatar Spirit was sealed inside what would be known as Sozen's Comet, the world knew relative peace. The Avatar was free to maintain the balance of the world, unaware that he/she was inherently out of balance. Over the course of 1000 generations of Avatars, the celestial prison spiraled its way from the outer reaches of the void, until the Firelord known as Sozen became obsessed with the rapidly approaching comet. When it passed close enough to be bent, he and those who also touched the comet??became consumed with the seductive power of the Dark Avatar Spirit, but did not have the combined power to break the seal, and so the comet moved on to spiral the void once more, but was close enough that only a hundred years was required before it neared the world once more. The exposure to the Dark Avatar Spirit was enough to corrupt Sozen's spirit and those who also touched the comet, giving them a lust for conquest, and an insatiable hatred for the Avatar of Light. After the war was started by the corrupted Firebenders, it merely became a sense of destiny that sustained the war for the hundred years. And now, the Comet is racing through the void, where thousands of Firebenders, instead of just a few hundred, are waiting to touch the comet, and unwittingly break the seal...

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    qweasdzse

    [2]Aug 29, 2006
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    Ive read your theory several times and it seems more fanfiction then legit.

    Why don't just keep it simple instead of givinag us a crappy story. And if you haven't please take out the shadow and light bending crap.

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    piranhapete

    [3]Aug 29, 2006
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    qweasdzse wrote:

    Ive read your theory several times and it seems more fanfiction then legit.

    Why don't just keep it simple instead of givinag us a crappy story. And if you haven't please take out the shadow and light bending crap.



    Umm hey it's one thing to say "Hey your theory is too complicated." But sheesh! Somebody forgot to take his nappie!
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    Gantros

    [4]Aug 29, 2006
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    qweasdzse wrote:

    Ive read your theory several times and it seems more fanfiction then legit.

    Why don't just keep it simple instead of givinag us a crappy story. And if you haven't please take out the shadow and light bending crap.



    The whole theory is meant as a means of looking beyond the first three seasons and opening up the possibility of having a second story arc, up to 3 additional seasons long. Having a 'Dark Avatar' creates a threat that can overpower Aang initially and be equaled at the end of the arc. Having 'Shadowbenders' creates a new faction that makes it distinctive from the Fire Nation, which would most likely become at the very least a neutral party post-season 3. Admittedly, I have been unable to make 'Lightbending' unique from Firebending, and so have decided to drop that from any future version of my theory, instead opting for the combined force of the four elements can defeat shadowbending, a 'together we stand, or divided we fall' scenario. I still think a prolonged quest into the Spirit World in order to find out how to defeat the Dark Avatar would still be important, because it could deal with the sometimes surreal nature of spiritualism. It would also allow the rest of Aang's group (which may or may not include Zuko) to develop without him as the element that brought them together.
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    Hvulpes

    [5]Aug 30, 2006
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    ??I can see a 'Dark Avatar' as a possiblity of a future villian. But one with multiple possiblities of occuring. From a dark reflection of the Avatar, to a mystical process of binding elemental spirits to a person, to steal a person's bending to an evil spirit with knowledge of multiple bending. If it is natural for the world to have one Avatar and a second one shows up, it could bring chaos until there is only one. Things like the elements going crazy and supernatural diasters occuring.

    ??I am not sure about Shadowbending, but I can see tainted bending as a possible future plot element. The idea that the taint increases a person's bending powers and skills but corrupts the element and the person is a good plot element. One that could work independant or working with the Dark Avatar element.

    ??Also with the Comet, it could be a prison but it could also be an omen. Perhaps a signal in a prophecy that hints at a future trouble that could be occuring in the future. Or it could be a key to a gate that seals a greater evil that can act more in the world as the seals are opened.

    Just some randoms thought. But we must know that the creators might have a few wild cards up their sleeves.

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    karatewolfpunk

    [6]Aug 30, 2006
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    Good ideas, but it doesn't sound too Avatarish, or Nickish.
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    piranhapete

    [7]Aug 30, 2006
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    I would think it'dbe cool if another Airbender shows up and claims to be the REAL Avatar, slowly but surely bringing the world into war.
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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [8]Aug 31, 2006
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    The Dark Avatar's agenda is to waste thread space by making the same topic on numorous threads about something that's never going to happen in the show.

    There I said it.

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    Iras91

    [9]Oct 2, 2006
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    qweasdzse wrote:

    Ive read your theory several times and it seems more fanfiction then legit.

    Why don't just keep it simple instead of givinag us a crappy story. And if you haven't please take out the shadow and light bending crap.



    who pissed in ur cheerios?
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    BradyBannister5

    [10]Oct 2, 2006
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    comments

    1. Good idea for Avatar!

    2. I believe there is a 45% chance of this

    3. everyone who hates this: whoever made these threads is just expessing his ideas and specualting for future episodes??and creating fan fiction. there is nothing wrong with that. trust me, there are useless threads created everyday since the airing of the secret of the fire nation and this one is for a good cause. so whatever.

    4. This is a good theory because no one knows how sozins comet got its power. i mean, i can't just be out of nothing-ness!!!!!

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    Eman5805

    [11]Oct 2, 2006
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    Iras91 wrote:
    qweasdzse wrote:

    Ive read your theory several times and it seems more fanfiction then legit.

    Why don't just keep it simple instead of givinag us a crappy story. And if you haven't please take out the shadow and light bending crap.

    who pissed in ur cheerios?

    The Dark Avatar did...all part of the master plan...

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    Fronzel

    [12]Oct 2, 2006
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    BradyBannister5 wrote:
    everyone who hates this: whoever made these threads is just expessing his ideas and specualting for future episodes??and creating fan fiction. there is nothing wrong with that. trust me, there are useless threads created everyday since the airing of the secret of the fire nation and this one is for a good cause. so whatever.

    Isn't fan fiction against global TV.com rules?

    BradyBannister5 wrote:
    This is a good theory because no one knows how sozins comet got its power. i mean, i can't just be out of nothing-ness!!!!!

    MAGIC. The comet is MAGIC.

    You know, like bending itself?

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    niceguyposer

    [13]Oct 2, 2006
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    Fronzel wrote:

    BradyBannister5 wrote:
    everyone who hates this: whoever made these threads is just expessing his ideas and specualting for future episodes??and creating fan fiction. there is nothing wrong with that. trust me, there are useless threads created everyday since the airing of the secret of the fire nation and this one is for a good cause. so whatever.

    Isn't fan fiction against global TV.com rules?

    BradyBannister5 wrote:
    This is a good theory because no one knows how sozins comet got its power. i mean, i can't just be out of nothing-ness!!!!!

    MAGIC. The comet is MAGIC.

    You know, like bending itself?


    Not exactly magic, per se. It's the same concept of waterbenders and firebenders losing their powers during their respective eclipses. And yeah, I think this argument is too reminiscent of fanfiction and was really difficult to read through.
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    lostage

    [14]Oct 14, 2006
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    Honestly, the reason I really like this show is because it's refreshing. It opens those cans of worms that other cartoons wouldn't even touch (death, for example). It also avoids many cliche devices, such as the self-absorbed and brash main character (Aang is such a sweet person!), and making the main character work up from nothing (Aang already knew air, even though he had a lot of work for water, and still has a lot of work with earth and water).

    Though this's is a very real possibility, I'm afraid this falls a little bit in the cliche category. How many times have TV shows introduced a dark foil character just to keep interest up? And remember, none of the spirits shown on Avatar were exactly evil (negative chi is not evil, just as positive chi isn't pure goodness--it's the people who use them), just like the firebenders aren't evil (except maybe Ozai, Jhao, and Azula)--that's like thinking the Germans or Japanese were evil because of WWII (uh oh, there goes Godwin's Law ^^), which's most definitely NOT true. Ozai has self-interests, and delusions of grandeur, not to mention the firebender's national pride.

    Most likely the comet enhances their powers simply because comets have firey tails, the way the sun is a big ball of gas burning billions of miles away (lol, I love Pumba), and the way the moon pulls the tides.

    However, the idea of a really cool and super-powerful villan does have its allures (the Dark Avatar sounds soo cool!!), so of course I made a pic for the Dark Avatar Challenge. ...If my stupid computer'll concentrate long enough for me to post it on photobucket... >
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    legersem

    [15]Oct 14, 2006
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    The DA Theory is a good one and one that could carry Avatar for quite some time (Gantros, I think you said three more seasons?) which is a lot more than any other story arc??I've heard.

    I also agree with the "evil twin" cliche, however. A lot of shows have evil twins, or something similar. That being said, every hero needs an anti: one who can bascially kick their butt the first time around, causing the main character to go into more training. The DA is Aang's anti, although I don't think that they should be twins. They could have been "born" at the same time due to the universe's need to maintain balance in light and dark, but they shouldn't be twins. The DA also needs to have a body, though, that does not look like anyone in the show, but is very dark. All the while that the DA is inhabiting Azula's body, the DA should be sort of building its body and when Aang defeats Azula, the DA leaves her body and shows his/her/its true form (but I don't know what it should look like).

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    Fronzel

    [16]Oct 14, 2006
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    legersem wrote:
    every hero needs an anti: one who can bascially kick their butt the first time around, causing the main character to go into more training.

    Correction: Every hero in terrible action shows needs one of those.

    Avatar is a good action show.

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    legersem

    [17]Oct 17, 2006
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    No, I seriously think that the anti makes for a better show.

    1. It shows that the good guy is NOT invincible and can actually be defeated by someone.
    2. The anti-fighting-the-good-guy scenes are always great action-packed fights.
    3. It makes the hero realize that he/she is not the best in town anymore and so goes into more training to become the best, thus becoming stronger and more mature in their actions.

    The DA in itself makes it the anti of Aang, who is the Avatar. So, essentially, if you don't like antis, then you don't like the DA theory. If you had read any of Gantros's past threads about the DA and how it possesses Azula and defeats Aang, thus making him go into the Spirit World to master light- and shadowbending, then that already fulfills practically all of the list that I made above.

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