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Who was the most predictable character?

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    LondonParisNYC

    [1]Jul 27, 2008
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    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.

    Edited on 07/27/2008 8:46pm
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    carlsonem

    [2]Jul 27, 2008
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    Keep in mind that this is still considered a kids show. So cliches and innuedo will probably pop up alot.
    Edited on 07/27/2008 8:50pm
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    Falcondude123

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.



    I wud say Zuko is da most UNpredictable character. I was sure he wud join the gaang at the end of S2, but he surprised us all.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    Falcondude123 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.

    I wud say Zuko is da most UNpredictable character. I was sure he wud join the gaang at the end of S2, but he surprised us all.

    yeah but in like the first season he was soooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculously cheesy and everything he said was forced. urgh

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    carlsonem

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Falcondude123 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.

    I wud say Zuko is da most UNpredictable character. I was sure he wud join the gaang at the end of S2, but he surprised us all.

    yeah but in like the first season he was soooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculously cheesy and everything he said was forced. urgh

    That is because everything he said was the same thing. It was always something about capturing the avatar. It did get old after awhile
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    Falcondude123

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Falcondude123 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.

    I wud say Zuko is da most UNpredictable character. I was sure he wud join the gaang at the end of S2, but he surprised us all.

    yeah but in like the first season he was soooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculously cheesy and everything he said was forced. urgh



    That's Dante Basco 4 ya. The guy is more monotone than my grampa.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    carlsonem wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Falcondude123 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.

    I wud say Zuko is da most UNpredictable character. I was sure he wud join the gaang at the end of S2, but he surprised us all.

    yeah but in like the first season he was soooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculously cheesy and everything he said was forced. urgh

    That is because everything he said was the same thing. It was always something about capturing the avatar. It did get old after awhile

    i wanted to like storm to wherever they did the writing and rip up all the scipts and walk out. now that i think back, it was just such bad writing. i am after a while, all the characters got real tired real fast.

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    carlsonem

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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Falcondude123 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.

    I wud say Zuko is da most UNpredictable character. I was sure he wud join the gaang at the end of S2, but he surprised us all.

    yeah but in like the first season he was soooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculously cheesy and everything he said was forced. urgh

    That is because everything he said was the same thing. It was always something about capturing the avatar. It did get old after awhile

    i wanted to like storm to wherever they did the writing and rip up all the scipts and walk out. now that i think back, it was just such bad writing. i am after a while, all the characters got real tired real fast.

    I did like the use of allusion in that episode. I thought it was good character development for Aang. Not for Zuko.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    carlsonem wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Falcondude123 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.

    I wud say Zuko is da most UNpredictable character. I was sure he wud join the gaang at the end of S2, but he surprised us all.

    yeah but in like the first season he was soooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculously cheesy and everything he said was forced. urgh

    That is because everything he said was the same thing. It was always something about capturing the avatar. It did get old after awhile

    i wanted to like storm to wherever they did the writing and rip up all the scipts and walk out. now that i think back, it was just such bad writing. i am after a while, all the characters got real tired real fast.

    I did like the use of allusion in that episode. I thought it was good character development for Aang. Not for Zuko.

    we all knew zuko was destined to be "bad guy turned good" from the first epi.

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    doomed_soul89

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    In season one, it was just kind of a standard good guy v bad guy thing it wasn't till later that the whole thing started to get good
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    carlsonem wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:
    Falcondude123 wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Yes avatar had some great animation/artwork through the series, and in-depth characters to the max, but sometimes, the writing was extremely cliche. Like, i felt as if they let some kid in a creative writing class write some of that dialogue. from a writer's point of view...it pissed me off.

    like uhm zuko is probably the most awesome character on that show, but the first season i was like "wtf" why are they giving him such piss poor dialogue?

    that's just one example but does anyone else agree?!

    ohhh and exuse my lack of eloquency. it's been along day.

    I wud say Zuko is da most UNpredictable character. I was sure he wud join the gaang at the end of S2, but he surprised us all.

    yeah but in like the first season he was soooooooooooooooooooooooo ridiculously cheesy and everything he said was forced. urgh

    That is because everything he said was the same thing. It was always something about capturing the avatar. It did get old after awhile

    i wanted to like storm to wherever they did the writing and rip up all the scipts and walk out. now that i think back, it was just such bad writing. i am after a while, all the characters got real tired real fast.

    I did like the use of allusion in that episode. I thought it was good character development for Aang. Not for Zuko.

    we all knew zuko was destined to be "bad guy turned good" from the first epi.

    I thought Zuko would commit suicide. You know with all his issues. I guess Iroh's guidance prevented that.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    In season one, it was just kind of a standard good guy v bad guy thing it wasn't till later that the whole thing started to get good

    lol the whole first season (even though i was only 12) i was sitting there like "when is the dramatic charcter shift gonna come, any day now *whistles* and then like flash forward to 4 years later and i'm like
    "wow they postponed they wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to much."

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    carlsonem

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    The only character who was perfect the whole series is defiantly Iroh. The man stuck to his belifs. There wasn't anything cliche about him. He is a funny old man who loves life and possess power and wisdom. Now that is a character.
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    LondonParisNYC

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    carlsonem wrote:
    The only character who was perfect the whole series is defiantly Iroh. The man stuck to his belifs. There wasn't anything cliche about him. He is a funny old man who loves life and possess power and wisdom. Now that is a character.

    AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED.

    His was GREAT character.

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    in GENERAL, all characters in most TV programs become predictable, and this was a show that as much as bryke wanted to give it characterization, it had to be done with SIX TO EIGHT years old kids in mind

    also all programs are full of cliches

    "what you talking about willis?"

    "dynomite"

    "ay, caramba"

    "hello, big guy"

    "the plane, the plane"

    "oh, man" (countless shows)

    "one day I will get you smurfs, if it is the last thing I do"

    "I love it when plans come together"

    "I pity the fool"

    "excuse, but another thing........." (Columbo)

    "go home, Roger"

    ETC ETC

    obvious cliches is what was expected of Sokka, just like Urkel, Roger from sister sister, the villain of phineas and herb, and so on, so on.....
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    LondonParisNYC

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    WiseLad wrote:
    in GENERAL, all characters in most TV programs become predictable, and this was a show that as much as bryke wanted to give it characterization, it had to be done with SIX TO EIGHT years old kids in mind also all programs are full of cliches "what you talking about willis?" "dynomite" "ay, caramba" "hello, big guy" "the plane, the plane" "oh, man" (countless shows) "one day I will get you smurfs, if it is the last thing I do" "I love it when plans come together" "I pity the fool" "excuse, but another thing........." (Columbo) "go home, Roger" ETC ETC obvious cliches is what was expected of Sokka, just like Urkel, Roger from sister sister, the villain of phineas and herb, and so on, so on.....

    No that's true, and i do forget that this show was intended for an audience with a wide range of ages, but they had alot of pretty well developed character/plots that i felt didn't really deliver up to their potential, and from a writer's standpoint, that kinda annoyed me.

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    it is understandable, but there was only so much Bryke could do in 60 episodes while emphasizing mostly on Aang, Zuko, Katara and Azula in book 2 and 3, with Iroh, Toph and Sokka being basically strong support characters

    lot of stuff I wish they had expanded on that would let us know the characters more deeply

    what happened to Hakoda while searching people for the eclipse battle, they expanded on Mai between the period of zuko's childhood at Zuko alone and his exile, how Ty and Mai interacted with the eclipse warriors, how exactly Ursa treated her daughter, how come she and Iroh were so close, who was his wife?

    who was Kuzon and how he affected Aang?(only practical thing he was used for was as an inspiration for Aang to have a name at the headband)

    too many "fill the holes done by Bryke"
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    LondonParisNYC

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    WiseLad wrote:
    it is understandable, but there was only so much Bryke could do in 60 episodes while emphasizing mostly on Aang, Zuko, Katara and Azula in book 2 and 3, with Iroh, Toph and Sokka being basically strong support characters lot of stuff I wish they had expanded on that would let us know the characters more deeply what happened to Hakoda while searching people for the eclipse battle, they expanded on Mai between the period of zuko's childhood at Zuko alone and his exile, how Ty and Mai interacted with the eclipse warriors, how exactly Ursa treated her daughter, how come she and Iroh were so close, who was his wife? who was Kuzon and how he affected Aang?(only practical thing he was used for was as an inspiration for Aang to have a name at the headband) too many "fill the holes done by Bryke"

    it would have been kinda an interesting thing for them to have done LOST type flashbacks on all the characters.

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    dark_aquatus

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    Zuko didn't change sides at Crossroads of Destiny, which was a surprise for like 98% of the Avatards. Also he ended up being like his uncle Iroh instead of being a little emo kid he was.

    Sokka getting a far more serious role in the plot and growing up to a true adult was also kind of a surprise after watching him be the ''funny guy'' for a long time. The few relationships also made his role a lot deeper and interesting to follow.

    Katara was kind off predictable UNTILL the Southern Raiders episode in which she was unable to forgive (maybe she will be able to do so in a couple of years...). Being a revenge seeking character really surprised me, she became a far deeper character since that moment.

    Combustion man. What is there to say about him? Actually a lot more then you would think. He was hired by Zuko to slay the Avatar, which he tried a couple of times. But after failing multiple times it became a personal goal for him to kill this kid and his friend for once and for all. At the end he didn't even care about the money, his reputation or even his own life. I think none of this would've expected that combustion man would turn out to be a regular human with emotions like all of us.

    Which brings us to Aang. I can't remember Aang ever surprising me, hell, he even got the girl which he fell in love with in episode 101! He was raised like a monk, so it also didn't surprise me that he was unable to kill anyone. The only time he got close of surprising me, was the time at the desert in which he was furious at whoever stole or had Appa. Why didn't his behaviour surprise me? Cause at the end all he did was terrify a couple of people and hurt (probably not even kill) some giant bug. We allready saw him do the angry mean glowing thing at the air temple when he found out that Monk Giatsu got killed, so even that wasn't anything new.

    So there you go! I vote for Aang, but that's just my personal view on things ofcourse!

    Edited on 07/28/2008 3:01am
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