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Bloodbending *Spoilers*

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    tomtitan

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    AvatarLover14 wrote:
    I think the power Katara wants to unlearn is the power to control peoples bodies by waterbending the water in the body.

    lol, where have you been past 2 days?
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    StrongGaia

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    I think that bloodbending has made water the ultimate element. I mean, what other elements have any techniques that could beat a bloodbender?

    I realise that you can only do it during the full moon, and that only master waterbenders can perform it. But still, it makes waterbenders VERY powerful. A little too powerful I think.
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    tomtitan

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    StrongGaia wrote:
    I think that bloodbending has made water the ultimate element. I mean, what other elements have any techniques that could beat a bloodbender?

    I realise that you can only do it during the full moon, and that only master waterbenders can perform it. But still, it makes waterbenders VERY powerful. A little too powerful I think.

    yes but think of how weak waterbending was before bloodbending, it was probably the weaker element, i'm not saying it doesn't have its strengths, but i think in general it was a weaker element.
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    tigerstalksprey

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    cmon, dont put the SPOILER (bloodbending) in the topic title!!

    but for all you ppl who said water benders should be able to control the liquid inside lifeforms i hope youre happy now

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    Jefepato

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    StrongGaia wrote:
    I think that bloodbending has made water the ultimate element. I mean, what other elements have any techniques that could beat a bloodbender?

    I realise that you can only do it during the full moon, and that only master waterbenders can perform it. But still, it makes waterbenders VERY powerful. A little too powerful I think.


    A master Waterbender is going to be better than everyone else during a full moon anyway, so it's not going to make that big a difference. And most likely it won't be taught to anyone again.

    The whole point is so Katara has something to be conflicted over using at some point in the future. "Turn to the dark side for power" is a classic (although bloodbending is less dark than the usual fare). I'd almost guarantee that at some point, she'll have to do it again.
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    chibikangaroo

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    I think there's no question that she will have to use it again. Probably the most important part of the episode came right at the end. When the townspeople were dragging Hama away to prison, and said she would never hurt anyone again, remember her words -creepy evil witch voice- "My work is done..." I don't know exactly how they intend to follow up on this, but could very easily make Katara into a villan at some point and maybe her and Aang's love will have to bring her back to good or something along those lines. It could be that during the invasion it looks as if they will fail, and then Katara sees Aang or her other friends in trouble again and she uses the bloodbending again, and becomes seduced by the power.

    Also some were saying that since the old woman said she could only use the bloodbending during the full moon, that means that that is its limits. I don't think that is the case. First, she was extremely old and she didn't have the kind of natural raw power that Katara seems to have (like for example learning how to do the heal-bending without being taught). Think about it Katara went from beginner to master in almost the same time that Aang has been learning water bending, and he is the Avatar so you would think he would be the master and she the student. Some have noted how fast Katara was able to learn bloodbending, which also indicates this. She said it herself, her bending is more powerful thanHama so she logically would be able to master things that the old woman couldn't. I think the whole idea about needing the full moon is that it just boosts the waterbender's power, it doesn't in of itself allow for bloodbending. It makes sense that bloodbending would be more difficult than other types of water bending since you are also reaching inside a person's body and manipulating something that is full of all other kinds of essence and materials aside from the water. I think the moon boost was necessary for Hama, but it might not be necessary for someone who was more powerful than her.

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    dumbTVnut

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    blood bending is not a actuate name:
    Fluids in human body ranked by % volume
    1. Intracellular fluid (43%)
    2. Intercellular fluid/lymphatic fluid (10%)
    3. Blood (7%)

    "Bodybending" would be a better word, also "Water ripping" would be best for describing the removal of water from plants or air.

    By the way it does not make sense for the firenation to imprison the water benders, why not kill them all like the airbenders?
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    MarryLarry

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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    blood bending is not a actuate name: Fluids in human body ranked by % volume 1. Intracellular fluid (43%) 2. Intercellular fluid/lymphatic fluid (10%) 3. Blood (7%) "Bodybending" would be a better word, also "Water ripping" would be best for describing the removal of water from plants or air. By the way it does not make sense for the firenation to imprison the water benders, why not kill them all like the airbenders?

    Weren't you just saying this is a ****ing cartoon and didn't need to make sense?

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    dumbTVnut

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    MarryLarry wrote:

    dumbTVnut wrote:
    blood bending is not a actuate name: Fluids in human body ranked by % volume 1. Intracellular fluid (43%) 2. Intercellular fluid/lymphatic fluid (10%) 3. Blood (7%) "Bodybending" would be a better word, also "Water ripping" would be best for describing the removal of water from plants or air. By the way it does not make sense for the firenation to imprison the water benders, why not kill them all like the airbenders?

    Weren't you just saying this is a ****ing cartoon and didn't need to make sense?


    Does not need to make scientific sense, plot hole are always plot holes. Calling it blood bending is not a serious infraction, but leaving those waterbenders to live in a expensive prison for many years costing the time of soldiers and money of the fire nation just does not make sense on so many levels!
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    MarryLarry

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    Maybe they were experimenting or using them as sex slaves. I don't know. There are a lot of plot holes in avatar. The whole timeline is effed up and Toph knowing Mai and Ty Lee were not Kyoshi warriors even though she never met them or a single warrior before still confounds me.
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    dumbTVnut

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    MarryLarry wrote:
    Maybe they were experimenting or using them as sex slaves. I don't know. There are a lot of plot holes in avatar. The whole timeline is effed up and Toph knowing Mai and Ty Lee were not Kyoshi warriors even though she never met them or a single warrior before still confounds me.


    Exactly, that is why we are not genuine avatards, we can think.
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    Prince-Jayson

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    If Katara finds the gaang in grave danger, She may use it.
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    easterntemple

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    tell you the truth, I was hoping that Katara would call out to Yue to help her. It doesn't hurt that a friend of yours is the moon spirit. But yea, I did get the impression that Yue was helping her.

    Katara advanced more quickly than any other student for Master 'poop head'. She tends to increase in power when someone she loves is in danger. Do I have to mention 'Crossroads' ? (*sigh*) She is barely holding her own against the Di Lee, but once Aang gets shot down by Azula SHE TAKES THEM ALL DOWN!!!!

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    chibikangaroo wrote:

    I think there's no question that she will have to use it again. Probably the most important part of the episode came right at the end. When the townspeople were dragging Hama away to prison, and said she would never hurt anyone again, remember her words -creepy evil witch voice- "My work is done..." I don't know exactly how they intend to follow up on this, but could very easily make Katara into a villan at some point and maybe her and Aang's love will have to bring her back to good or something along those lines. It could be that during the invasion it looks as if they will fail, and then Katara sees Aang or her other friends in trouble again and she uses the bloodbending again, and becomes seduced by the power.

    Also some were saying that since the old woman said she could only use the bloodbending during the full moon, that means that that is its limits. I don't think that is the case. First, she was extremely old and she didn't have the kind of natural raw power that Katara seems to have (like for example learning how to do the heal-bending without being taught). Think about it Katara went from beginner to master in almost the same time that Aang has been learning water bending, and he is the Avatar so you would think he would be the master and she the student. Some have noted how fast Katara was able to learn bloodbending, which also indicates this. She said it herself, her bending is more powerful thanHama so she logically would be able to master things that the old woman couldn't. I think the whole idea about needing the full moon is that it just boosts the waterbender's power, it doesn't in of itself allow for bloodbending. It makes sense that bloodbending would be more difficult than other types of water bending since you are also reaching inside a person's body and manipulating something that is full of all other kinds of essence and materials aside from the water. I think the moon boost was necessary for Hama, but it might not be necessary for someone who was more powerful than her.


    I think your sort of grasping at straws here, they went out of their way to let the audience know that it can only be done during a full moon, they aren't just going to turn around and have Katara do it at any time of the night, or especially the day. The only possible way I would think anyone capable of bloodbending without the full moon would be an avatar state enhanced avater.

    besides, Katara was indeed the stronger bender, but don't forget that she was talking to someone 60+ years her senior. Even when Hamah was young and in her prime she needed the full moon.

    again though, they were basically beating the audience over the head with the full moon restriction, I doubt they would place so much emphasis on the moon in this ep if it didn't matter to the ability
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    chibikangaroo

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    LordMordor wrote:
    chibikangaroo wrote:

    I think there's no question that she will have to use it again. Probably the most important part of the episode came right at the end. When the townspeople were dragging Hama away to prison, and said she would never hurt anyone again, remember her words -creepy evil witch voice- "My work is done..." I don't know exactly how they intend to follow up on this, but could very easily make Katara into a villan at some point and maybe her and Aang's love will have to bring her back to good or something along those lines. It could be that during the invasion it looks as if they will fail, and then Katara sees Aang or her other friends in trouble again and she uses the bloodbending again, and becomes seduced by the power.

    Also some were saying that since the old woman said she could only use the bloodbending during the full moon, that means that that is its limits. I don't think that is the case. First, she was extremely old and she didn't have the kind of natural raw power that Katara seems to have (like for example learning how to do the heal-bending without being taught). Think about it Katara went from beginner to master in almost the same time that Aang has been learning water bending, and he is the Avatar so you would think he would be the master and she the student. Some have noted how fast Katara was able to learn bloodbending, which also indicates this. She said it herself, her bending is more powerful thanHama so she logically would be able to master things that the old woman couldn't. I think the whole idea about needing the full moon is that it just boosts the waterbender's power, it doesn't in of itself allow for bloodbending. It makes sense that bloodbending would be more difficult than other types of water bending since you are also reaching inside a person's body and manipulating something that is full of all other kinds of essence and materials aside from the water. I think the moon boost was necessary for Hama, but it might not be necessary for someone who was more powerful than her.


    I think your sort of grasping at straws here, they went out of their way to let the audience know that it can only be done during a full moon, they aren't just going to turn around and have Katara do it at any time of the night, or especially the day. The only possible way I would think anyone capable of bloodbending without the full moon would be an avatar state enhanced avater.

    besides, Katara was indeed the stronger bender, but don't forget that she was talking to someone 60+ years her senior. Even when Hamah was young and in her prime she needed the full moon.

    again though, they were basically beating the audience over the head with the full moon restriction, I doubt they would place so much emphasis on the moon in this ep if it didn't matter to the ability


    I don't think they ever specifically said that it can only be done during the full moon. The only thing that they said was that Hama could only do it during the full moon. We haven't seen enough of it yet to know about anyone else. Remember, she was a broken prisoner who spent all of her time in a cell wasting away for years. It makes sense that she would need the moon to reinvigorate herself enough to perform powerful bending. I think that they simply haven't said in any concrete way exactly how this will be used in the future so of course its interesting to speculate

    It seems that the vast majority of viewers who have commented on this episode were hugely and positively suprised that the writers would go as far as they did creating something like bloodbending. It is disturbing but it also is incredibly interesting as part of the story, and i'm sure that if they have seen this the writers probably are going to delve a lot deeper into this as the story progresses.
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    dumbTVnut

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    What about when the moon covers the sun say during a certain solar eclipse would you not think that not only would fire bending be extinguished but water bending grossly amplified?
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    LordMordor

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    chibikangaroo wrote:

    I don't think they ever specifically said that it can only be done during the full moon.


    Hamah - "Tonight I'll show you the ultimate technique of waterbending, that can only be used during the full moon"

    seems pretty specific to me, they don't usually try to trip you up when explaining how things work. its alright to speculate about things, but there should be at least a little evidence to back up that speculation. there is no evidence so far that would back up that claim though.

    think back to the old argument that Ty Lee was part air-nomad, was it an out-there theory yeah...but there were little things that gave room for speculation (her eyes, attitude, and acrobatic ability)
    you have nothing like that in this case

    ther
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    LordMordor wrote:
    chibikangaroo wrote:

    I don't think they ever specifically said that it can only be done during the full moon.


    Hamah - "Tonight I'll show you the ultimate technique of waterbending, that can only be used during the full moon"

    seems pretty specific to me, they don't usually try to trip you up when explaining how things work. its alright to speculate about things, but there should be at least a little evidence to back up that speculation. there is no evidence so far that would back up that claim though.

    think back to the old argument that Ty Lee was part air-nomad, was it an out-there theory yeah...but there were little things that gave room for speculation (her eyes, attitude, and acrobatic ability)
    you have nothing like that in this case

    ther


    We had nothing to hint at metal bending either!
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    LordMordor

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    right, they didn't mention it at all.
    they didn't say it was possible or not possible.

    in this case they explicitely said it was not possible

    btw, sorry about that "ther" thing at the end of my last post, it was a typo and my comp wont let me edit messages for some reason. not trying to be harsh
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    chibikangaroo

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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    LordMordor wrote:
    chibikangaroo wrote:

    I don't think they ever specifically said that it can only be done during the full moon.


    Hamah - "Tonight I'll show you the ultimate technique of waterbending, that can only be used during the full moon"

    seems pretty specific to me, they don't usually try to trip you up when explaining how things work. its alright to speculate about things, but there should be at least a little evidence to back up that speculation. there is no evidence so far that would back up that claim though.

    think back to the old argument that Ty Lee was part air-nomad, was it an out-there theory yeah...but there were little things that gave room for speculation (her eyes, attitude, and acrobatic ability)
    you have nothing like that in this case

    ther


    We had nothing to hint at metal bending either!


    A perfect example of what i'm talking about. How many times through the story did we hear people say that earthbenders COULDN'T bend metal. They all said it couldn't be done, but the point was, it couldn't be done by THEM. Toph was special, and was able to surpass their abilities. I think that there is ample evidence that Katara could very well surpass the power of Hama.

    Thanks for bringing up the metal bending thing TVnut I hadn't been thinking about it at first
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