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Azula: what I think goes on inside her head

Is Azula capable of healing?

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    Axrendale

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    Jackson5050 wrote:
    If Ursa returns and Zuko forgives her, she may heal. I suppose Mai could also help in her rehabilitation. I always felt that Azula liked Mai more than Ty Lee. I would keep Ozai away from Azula...at least until she heals.

    I agree with most of that, but personally I have always felt that Azula was always a lot closer to Ty Lee than to Mai. The hints are small, but they're there. In "The Beach", we saw Azula make a genuine attempt to apologize to Ty Lee, and then cheer her up, possibly her only real human moment prior to the finale. Later in that episode, when Azula confessed for the first time that her mother's rejection had really hurt her, Ty Lee was the only one who really seemed to care. Also notable is what happened at the Boiling Rock; when Mai was the betaryer, Azula was perfectly willing to barbarcue her friend. But when Ty Lee stopped her all the fight went out of Azula. She could have ordered the guards to simply hurl them over the edge into the lake, but instead she suddenly all that she could bring herself to do was order the guards to take them away, unable to bear the sight of them.

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    But it would seem Ty Lee had been faking it when she told Azula how much she admired her and how she thought Azula was perfect.
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    Maylene wrote:
    But it would seem Ty Lee had been faking it when she told Azula how much she admired her and how she thought Azula was perfect.

    well

    when azula went to watch ty lee's circus she looked pretty scared.

    yeah i agree with ya.

    would you kiss up? or burned to a lightning barbecue?

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    Maylene wrote:
    But it would seem Ty Lee had been faking it when she told Azula how much she admired her and how she thought Azula was perfect.

    That was sucking up. It was obvious that Azula wanted to be complimented, and that's what Ty Lee gave her (although I actually wouldn't have put it past Ty Lee to believe it).

    But the scene at the end of The Beach was not sucking up. Azula was not looking for flattery, she was confessing the one thing that had ever caused her to doubt herself. And Ty Lee alone was looking at her with genuine concern. Granted, Zuko was never going to care, and Mai was preoccupied with making up and out with him, but still.

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    isabelwhatx

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    Maylene wrote:
    But it would seem Ty Lee had been faking it when she told Azula how much she admired her and how she thought Azula was perfect.

    Of course Ty Lee was faking it. She knows what to say and what not to say around Azula. There were some truth behind her words, but overall I'm sure this was just to keep Azula happy. And Azula bought it because she was under the impression that Ty Lee was correct.
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    Axrendale wrote:

    Maylene wrote:
    But it would seem Ty Lee had been faking it when she told Azula how much she admired her and how she thought Azula was perfect.

    That was sucking up. It was obvious that Azula wanted to be complimented, and that's what Ty Lee gave her (although I actually wouldn't have put it past Ty Lee to believe it).

    But the scene at the end of The Beach was not sucking up. Azula was not looking for flattery, she was confessing the one thing that had ever caused her to doubt herself. And Ty Lee alone was looking at her with genuine concern. Granted, Zuko was never going to care, and Mai was preoccupied with making up and out with him, but still.

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    Maylene

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    Axrendale wrote:
    That was sucking up. It was obvious that Azula wanted to be complimented, and that's what Ty Lee gave her (although I actually wouldn't have put it past Ty Lee to believe it).But the scene at the end of The Beach was not sucking up. Azula was not looking for flattery, she was confessing the one thing that had ever caused her to doubt herself. And Ty Lee alone was looking at her with genuine concern. Granted, Zuko was never going to care, and Mai was preoccupied with making up and out with him, but still.


    Too bad we didn't see a good conclusion to the Ozai's Angels' Relationship. I mean we barely saw Mai and Ty Lee together near the end--like in the finale? What's up with that? It would better help me understand if Ty Lee is still hopeful for Azula or whatever; and that Mai and Ty Lee didn't just become friends just cuz of Azula--but b'cuz they really are. I mean in season three--did we see Ty Lee and Mai? Nope. We saw Ty Lee and Azula--and that was in TBR and The Beach. Mai and Ty Lee was so fleeting.

    Ah sorry. I'm ranting.
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    isabelwhatx

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    I mean, the whole Ty Lee/Azula/Mai relationship couldn't be further developed because Azula had gone crazy. Any relationship formed would be an illusion.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I mean, the whole Ty Lee/Azula/Mai relationship couldn't be further developed because Azula had gone crazy. Any relationship formed would be an illusion.

    You never know. Ty Lee (and possibly Mai)'s forgiveness would probably be a fairly big help to Azula recovering (to get us back on topic). Or it might even be the other way round; if Azula were to somehow heal with her mother's help, a big step for her would be to bring herself to apologize to all the people that she's hurt. It would certainly be interesting to see.

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    Axrendale wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I mean, the whole Ty Lee/Azula/Mai relationship couldn't be further developed because Azula had gone crazy. Any relationship formed would be an illusion.

    You never know. Ty Lee (and possibly Mai)'s forgiveness would probably be a fairly big help to Azula recovering (to get us back on topic). Or it might even be the other way round; if Azula were to somehow heal with her mother's help, a big step for her would be to bring herself to apologize to all the people that she's hurt. It would certainly be interesting to see.


    I don't think Ursa would be able to help Azula. I really don't think any amount of human contact will do a thing. This is something she has to do on her own. She will always have that nagging thought in the back of her head that anyone can betray you. All because someone seems to be your friend now doesn't mean they will be later. Why does the second time around make things any different? I think that the only thing that will get Azula back on track is deep meditation and understanding. By herself.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I mean, the whole Ty Lee/Azula/Mai relationship couldn't be further developed because Azula had gone crazy. Any relationship formed would be an illusion.

    You never know. Ty Lee (and possibly Mai)'s forgiveness would probably be a fairly big help to Azula recovering (to get us back on topic). Or it might even be the other way round; if Azula were to somehow heal with her mother's help, a big step for her would be to bring herself to apologize to all the people that she's hurt. It would certainly be interesting to see.

    I don't think Ursa would be able to help Azula. I really don't think any amount of human contact will do a thing. This is something she has to do on her own. She will always have that nagging thought in the back of her head that anyone can betray you. All because someone seems to be your friend now doesn't mean they will be later. Why does the second time around make things any different? I think that the only thing that will get Azula back on track is deep meditation and understanding. By herself.

    I don't think so. Azula's main problem is that she's cut herself off from connecting with other human beings. What she really needs is a pure, uncomplicated love/friendship that isn't forced on one end. We saw in the finale that her mother's apparent rejection of her was one of the root causes of her mistrust for other people. We also saw that Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal was the root cause for her paranoia. If those two root causes were to be resolved, Azula would come a long way.

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    Axrendale wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I mean, the whole Ty Lee/Azula/Mai relationship couldn't be further developed because Azula had gone crazy. Any relationship formed would be an illusion.

    You never know. Ty Lee (and possibly Mai)'s forgiveness would probably be a fairly big help to Azula recovering (to get us back on topic). Or it might even be the other way round; if Azula were to somehow heal with her mother's help, a big step for her would be to bring herself to apologize to all the people that she's hurt. It would certainly be interesting to see.

    I don't think Ursa would be able to help Azula. I really don't think any amount of human contact will do a thing. This is something she has to do on her own. She will always have that nagging thought in the back of her head that anyone can betray you. All because someone seems to be your friend now doesn't mean they will be later. Why does the second time around make things any different? I think that the only thing that will get Azula back on track is deep meditation and understanding. By herself.

    I don't think so. Azula's main problem is that she's cut herself off from connecting with other human beings. What she really needs is a pure, uncomplicated love/friendship that isn't forced on one end. We saw in the finale that her mother's apparent rejection of her was one of the root causes of her mistrust for other people. We also saw that Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal was the root cause for her paranoia. If those two root causes were to be resolved, Azula would come a long way.


    I agree with you that her problem is is that she's cut herself off from other humans emotionally. But I think that the blow Ursa, Mai, and Ty Lee gave her is just too great to start over. Maybe someone else, someone completely new, to help her heal would work. I don't think that she can rely on Ursa, Mai, and Ty Lee until she can rely on someone else.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I mean, the whole Ty Lee/Azula/Mai relationship couldn't be further developed because Azula had gone crazy. Any relationship formed would be an illusion.

    You never know. Ty Lee (and possibly Mai)'s forgiveness would probably be a fairly big help to Azula recovering (to get us back on topic). Or it might even be the other way round; if Azula were to somehow heal with her mother's help, a big step for her would be to bring herself to apologize to all the people that she's hurt. It would certainly be interesting to see.

    I don't think Ursa would be able to help Azula. I really don't think any amount of human contact will do a thing. This is something she has to do on her own. She will always have that nagging thought in the back of her head that anyone can betray you. All because someone seems to be your friend now doesn't mean they will be later. Why does the second time around make things any different? I think that the only thing that will get Azula back on track is deep meditation and understanding. By herself.

    I don't think so. Azula's main problem is that she's cut herself off from connecting with other human beings. What she really needs is a pure, uncomplicated love/friendship that isn't forced on one end. We saw in the finale that her mother's apparent rejection of her was one of the root causes of her mistrust for other people. We also saw that Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal was the root cause for her paranoia. If those two root causes were to be resolved, Azula would come a long way.

    I agree with you that her problem is is that she's cut herself off from other humans emotionally. But I think that the blow Ursa, Mai, and Ty Lee gave her is just too great to start over. Maybe someone else, someone completely new, to help her heal would work. I don't think that she can rely on Ursa, Mai, and Ty Lee until she can rely on someone else.

    On that specific subject, I've made a new blog post enquring for help with a question about a fanfic. Please advise.

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    Axrendale wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I mean, the whole Ty Lee/Azula/Mai relationship couldn't be further developed because Azula had gone crazy. Any relationship formed would be an illusion.

    You never know. Ty Lee (and possibly Mai)'s forgiveness would probably be a fairly big help to Azula recovering (to get us back on topic). Or it might even be the other way round; if Azula were to somehow heal with her mother's help, a big step for her would be to bring herself to apologize to all the people that she's hurt. It would certainly be interesting to see.

    I don't think Ursa would be able to help Azula. I really don't think any amount of human contact will do a thing. This is something she has to do on her own. She will always have that nagging thought in the back of her head that anyone can betray you. All because someone seems to be your friend now doesn't mean they will be later. Why does the second time around make things any different? I think that the only thing that will get Azula back on track is deep meditation and understanding. By herself.

    I don't think so. Azula's main problem is that she's cut herself off from connecting with other human beings. What she really needs is a pure, uncomplicated love/friendship that isn't forced on one end. We saw in the finale that her mother's apparent rejection of her was one of the root causes of her mistrust for other people. We also saw that Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal was the root cause for her paranoia. If those two root causes were to be resolved, Azula would come a long way.

    I agree with you that her problem is is that she's cut herself off from other humans emotionally. But I think that the blow Ursa, Mai, and Ty Lee gave her is just too great to start over. Maybe someone else, someone completely new, to help her heal would work. I don't think that she can rely on Ursa, Mai, and Ty Lee until she can rely on someone else.

    On that specific subject, I've made a new blog post enquring for help with a question about a fanfic. Please advise.


    Advising, fellow aspiring writer of the 16 Club
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    I mean, the whole Ty Lee/Azula/Mai relationship couldn't be further developed because Azula had gone crazy. Any relationship formed would be an illusion.

    You never know. Ty Lee (and possibly Mai)'s forgiveness would probably be a fairly big help to Azula recovering (to get us back on topic). Or it might even be the other way round; if Azula were to somehow heal with her mother's help, a big step for her would be to bring herself to apologize to all the people that she's hurt. It would certainly be interesting to see.

    I don't think Ursa would be able to help Azula. I really don't think any amount of human contact will do a thing. This is something she has to do on her own. She will always have that nagging thought in the back of her head that anyone can betray you. All because someone seems to be your friend now doesn't mean they will be later. Why does the second time around make things any different? I think that the only thing that will get Azula back on track is deep meditation and understanding. By herself.

    I don't think so. Azula's main problem is that she's cut herself off from connecting with other human beings. What she really needs is a pure, uncomplicated love/friendship that isn't forced on one end. We saw in the finale that her mother's apparent rejection of her was one of the root causes of her mistrust for other people. We also saw that Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal was the root cause for her paranoia. If those two root causes were to be resolved, Azula would come a long way.

    I agree with you that her problem is is that she's cut herself off from other humans emotionally. But I think that the blow Ursa, Mai, and Ty Lee gave her is just too great to start over. Maybe someone else, someone completely new, to help her heal would work. I don't think that she can rely on Ursa, Mai, and Ty Lee until she can rely on someone else.

    This is true not only has she isolated herself from others, she finds it unbelievably difficult to trust anyone. She is not able to trust her dad, when she has a little outburst saying that he cannot treat her like he treats Zuko, she is not able to trust her servants and her advisers.

    This trust problem really started after being betrayed by Ty Lee and Mai. This is the reason why I think they will be needed for her to heal. I think I mentioned this earlier in this thread but didn't really explain the reasoning.

    Edited on 08/05/2008 11:01pm
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    I think the route of the problem originated with Ursa, but Mai and Ty Lee brought it to full fruition. Everyone she's ever known and cared for (or Azula's equivalent) turned their backs on her. Azula was under the impression her mother hated her. Her brother betrayed her to follow their nation's sworn enemy. Mai and Ty Lee chose Zuko, the traitor, over herself. Ozai abandoned Azula to look after the Fire Nation. He didn't do this out of compassion to reward her, but out of his greed to obtain the rest of the world, and I think Azula detected that. She's just been betrayed constantly by the people she held dear(ish). So I think a completely new person would do the job in helping her regain her trust in people. Axrendale is right that she needs human contact to make it through her dark times, but it has to be a change of scenery.
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