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    Daiken

    [1]Sep 16, 2006
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    Hey, I'm new here so I don't know if this has been discussed already (probably) but whatever. I just started watching Avatar a month ago and finally was able to catch up with the entire series through online sources. I have to say, I'm in love with this show now. I'd love to recommend it to friends but a lot non cartoon watchers are immediately turned off by the rating thinking it's just a kids show.

    Although from some episodes it may seem like a kids show, but as an adult you come to realize a lot of the serious tones and subtle references in the show a lot of kids probably wouldn't be able to understand or pick up on. For example in the beginning, they showed Aang's teacher's skeleton which from my experience is pretty strange for a kid's show. All the character development like with Zukko, his past, and trying to find his own way, is also not common. Then you notice little things while watching the show, like in the most recent episodes. When Suki wanted to kiss Sakka, Sakka couldn't because he felt guilty. From the camera shot you could tell why, because the moon was there and he felt like he was betraying Yuai (sp?).

    What do you all think? I think Avatar is a great show suitable for all ages but probably liked most by older fans.
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    cg_619

    [2]Sep 16, 2006
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    you know lil kids just see stuff get blown up and a couple of funny phrases and its good to them...But I would definetly say its more ment for kids just because its on nick???? but plot wise its definitly adult........its a show for all ages!
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    Miroku_of_Nite1

    [3]Sep 16, 2006
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    It is aimed at kids but anyone can enjoy it.
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    UGamer08

    [4]Sep 16, 2006
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    Ok let's clear it up. Saddle in for a good one.??

    The creators have said numerous times since the beginning that despite being on Nick, the writing of Avatar can be enjoyed by all ages. Yes I know you've heard it before but its true this time. Granted the kids were the first to see it (which is why the 6-14 ratings is so strong now), be then I'm guessin some guy over 15 saw it and then I don't talked about it in a board or something and lo, the older Avatar audience was born. Which by the way makes up a large portion of the viewers as well as dominates??the fans consisted on the web and the Avatar fandom in general. Never really liked that word, "fandom", kinda like otuko or whatever. Some would compare this to certain shows on cartoon network, I wouldn't. The thing is, like Avatar some of them contain strong older viewership, but overall most of their shows (non-imported and imported) are directed towards the younger demographic. Lets take Teen Titan for example, I nearly crapped my pants??when I read this,

    "Despite being popular with many viewers, some fans of the comics criticized the series for having a "childish nature". Some cartoon fans disliked the series for its hybrid of western and Japanese-style animation.

    The series' creators stated that younger children were the intended audience for the series. Executive Producer and Cartoon Network V.P. Sam Register responded to such criticism:

    "Justice League is awesome and Samurai Jack is awesome and we buy a lot of anime shows that're great, but those shows really are directed more towards the nine to fourteen age group and the six and seven and eight year olds, were not gelling with the Justice League and some of the more of the fanboy shows... The main mission was making a good superhero show for kids. Now if the fanboys happen to like the Teen Titans also, that's great, but that was not our mission."

    ??? Sam Register, CBR News interview May 8, 2003"

    Freakin-hilarious . Basically they were saying, "Yeah guys we appreciate how much you love the show ...really??but uh see the thing is, Justice League, Samurai Jack, us, yeah they're all great shows and all, but comon, like it or not they're for kids man. Of course??they're??gonna be cartoony a bunchof times, deal with it.??I know its hard but its the truth; dude you guys nothing but a bunch of fanboys." "

    Talk about a kick in the balls. Knew there was a reason I got off that show quick. It is the truth...

    I instead would compare Avatar to something like, oh say Xena (it was with an X right?).??There were times??where they would laugh and play and go crazy with those stupid cheap sound effects, then there were times when??Lucy was graphically chopping off??heads.??Some parts for the younger guys, some??parts for the not.??But??overall, the show made sure there was something??for everyone rather than just focusing on??one specific audience. Avatar does the exact same thing. That's the true reason behind all those let-slow-it-down, cartoony instances, and the filler-ish eps??(only like two overall though).??I mean comon, u really believe the creators think that a 6 year old??comprehends and can automatcially identify??the symbolic purpose behind cutting off topknots? Think man.

    So to wrap all this crap up, its all up to the creators, and??they consider the whole??group. While we may??not enjoy nor require all those??cartoony, tries-way-too-hard-to-be-funny??instances (can't stand em myself), the kids do??so??we'll just have to wait our turn. ...Can't get any simpler.??Luckily, unlike other shows which generally focus on the kids and have a basic??throw-and-we-just-might-happen-to-hit-something-else??relationship with their older audience, if we're patient we'll be greatly rewarded (example: great divide-siege of the north). After how incredibly crappy Avatar Day was who knows how kickass this season's finale will be? ?? Logic by-atch.

    Well anyway lets give it some time and see how it goes. Oh and plus, like it or not, it is??you'know still a cartoon on Nick. ....Yeah.

    Edited on 09/16/2006 3:16pm
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    hakeemadams94

    [5]Sep 16, 2006
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    The show that u can compare avatar to is justice league, but it has more jokes.JL and Avatar focuses on the plot in a serious matter, but still has the things that kids want(explosions and people getting owned).So we are all happy.
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    qweasdzse

    [6]Sep 16, 2006
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    UGamer08 wrote:

    Ok let's clear it up. Saddle in for a good one.??

    The creators have said numerous times since the beginning that despite being on Nick, the writing of Avatar can be enjoyed by all ages. Yes I know you've heard it before but its true this time. Granted the kids were the first to see it (which is why the 6-14 ratings is so strong now), be then I'm guessin some guy over 15 saw it and then I don't talked about it in a board or something and lo, the older Avatar audience was born. Which by the way makes up a large portion of the viewers as well as dominates??the fans consisted on the web and the Avatar fandom in general. Never really liked that word, "fandom", kinda like otuko or whatever. Some would compare this to certain shows on cartoon network, I wouldn't. The thing is, like Avatar some of them contain strong older viewership, but overall most of their shows (non-imported and imported) are directed towards the younger demographic. Lets take Teen Titan for example, I nearly crapped my pants??when I read this,

    "Despite being popular with many viewers, some fans of the comics criticized the series for having a "childish nature". Some cartoon fans disliked the series for its hybrid of western and Japanese-style animation.

    The series' creators stated that younger children were the intended audience for the series. Executive Producer and Cartoon Network V.P. Sam Register responded to such criticism:

    "Justice League is awesome and Samurai Jack is awesome and we buy a lot of anime shows that're great, but those shows really are directed more towards the nine to fourteen age group and the six and seven and eight year olds, were not gelling with the Justice League and some of the more of the fanboy shows... The main mission was making a good superhero show for kids. Now if the fanboys happen to like the Teen Titans also, that's great, but that was not our mission."

    ??? Sam Register, CBR News interview May 8, 2003"

    Freakin-hilarious . Basically they were saying, "Yeah guys we appreciate how much you love the show ...really??but uh see the thing is, Justice League, Samurai Jack, us, yeah they're all great shows and all, but comon, like it or not they're for kids man. Of course??they're??gonna be cartoony a bunchof times, deal with it.??I know its hard but its the truth; dude you guys nothing but a bunch of fanboys." "

    Talk about a kick in the balls. Knew there was a reason I got off that show quick. It is the truth...

    I instead would compare Avatar to something like, oh say Xena (it was with an X right?).??There were times??where they would laugh and play and go crazy with those stupid cheap sound effects, then there were times when??Lucy was graphically chopping off??heads.??Some parts for the younger guys, some??parts for the not.??But??overall, the show made sure there was something??for everyone rather than just focusing on??one specific audience. Avatar does the exact same thing. That's the true reason behind all those let-slow-it-down, cartoony instances, and the filler-ish eps??(only like two overall though).??I mean comon, u really believe the creators think that a 6 year old??comprehends and can automatcially identify??the symbolic purpose behind cutting off topknots? Think man.

    So to wrap all this crap up, its all up to the creators, and??they consider the whole??group. While we may??not enjoy nor require all those??cartoony, tries-way-too-hard-to-be-funny??instances (can't stand em myself), the kids do??so??we'll just have to wait our turn. ...Can't get any simpler.??Luckily, unlike other shows which generally focus on the kids and have a basic??throw-and-we-just-might-happen-to-hit-something-else??relationship with their older audience, if we're patient we'll be greatly rewarded (example: great divide-siege of the north). After how incredibly crappy Avatar Day was who knows how kickass this season's finale will be? ?? Logic by-atch.

    Well anyway lets give it some time and see how it goes. Oh and plus, like it or not, it is??you'know still a cartoon on Nick. ....Yeah.

    What exactly were you trying to with that oversized post.??Are you??trying to prove a point or just flaunting your knowledge. Avatar is by all means a kid show it has little violence, no bad language, no religious or objectionable themes and no fanservice. Its themes are not really that mature and I think that you underestimate a child's comprehension abilities when you say that there things that only an adult would understand could you please enlighten me on these things. However This is a well made show designed for kids that can apeal for everyone.

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    UGamer08

    [7]Sep 16, 2006
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    qweasdzse wrote:
    UGamer08 wrote:

    Ok let's clear it up. Saddle in for a good one.??

    The creators have said numerous times since the beginning that despite being on Nick, the writing of Avatar can be enjoyed by all ages. Yes I know you've heard it before but its true this time. Granted the kids were the first to see it (which is why the 6-14 ratings is so strong now), be then I'm guessin some guy over 15 saw it and then I don't talked about it in a board or something and lo, the older Avatar audience was born. Which by the way makes up a large portion of the viewers as well as dominates??the fans consisted on the web and the Avatar fandom in general. Never really liked that word, "fandom", kinda like otuko or whatever. Some would compare this to certain shows on cartoon network, I wouldn't. The thing is, like Avatar some of them contain strong older viewership, but overall most of their shows (non-imported and imported) are directed towards the younger demographic. Lets take Teen Titan for example, I nearly crapped my pants??when I read this,

    "Despite being popular with many viewers, some fans of the comics criticized the series for having a "childish nature". Some cartoon fans disliked the series for its hybrid of western and Japanese-style animation.

    The series' creators stated that younger children were the intended audience for the series. Executive Producer and Cartoon Network V.P. Sam Register responded to such criticism:

    "Justice League is awesome and Samurai Jack is awesome and we buy a lot of anime shows that're great, but those shows really are directed more towards the nine to fourteen age group and the six and seven and eight year olds, were not gelling with the Justice League and some of the more of the fanboy shows... The main mission was making a good superhero show for kids. Now if the fanboys happen to like the Teen Titans also, that's great, but that was not our mission."

    ??? Sam Register, CBR News interview May 8, 2003"

    Freakin-hilarious . Basically they were saying, "Yeah guys we appreciate how much you love the show ...really??but uh see the thing is, Justice League, Samurai Jack, us, yeah they're all great shows and all, but comon, like it or not they're for kids man. Of course??they're??gonna be cartoony a bunchof times, deal with it.??I know its hard but its the truth; dude you guys nothing but a bunch of fanboys." "

    Talk about a kick in the balls. Knew there was a reason I got off that show quick. It is the truth...

    I instead would compare Avatar to something like, oh say Xena (it was with an X right?).??There were times??where they would laugh and play and go crazy with those stupid cheap sound effects, then there were times when??Lucy was graphically chopping off??heads.??Some parts for the younger guys, some??parts for the not.??But??overall, the show made sure there was something??for everyone rather than just focusing on??one specific audience. Avatar does the exact same thing. That's the true reason behind all those let-slow-it-down, cartoony instances, and the filler-ish eps??(only like two overall though).??I mean comon, u really believe the creators think that a 6 year old??comprehends and can automatcially identify??the symbolic purpose behind cutting off topknots? Think man.

    So to wrap all this crap up, its all up to the creators, and??they consider the whole??group. While we may??not enjoy nor require all those??cartoony, tries-way-too-hard-to-be-funny??instances (can't stand em myself), the kids do??so??we'll just have to wait our turn. ...Can't get any simpler.??Luckily, unlike other shows which generally focus on the kids and have a basic??throw-and-we-just-might-happen-to-hit-something-else??relationship with their older audience, if we're patient we'll be greatly rewarded (example: great divide-siege of the north). After how incredibly crappy Avatar Day was who knows how kickass this season's finale will be? ?? Logic by-atch.

    Well anyway lets give it some time and see how it goes. Oh and plus, like it or not, it is??you'know still a cartoon on Nick. ....Yeah.

    What exactly were you trying to with that oversized post.??Are you??trying to prove a point or just flaunting your knowledge. Avatar is by all means a kid show it has little violence, no bad language, no religious or objectionable themes and no fanservice. Its themes are not really that mature and I think that you underestimate a child's comprehension abilities when you say that there things that only an adult would understand could you please enlighten me on these things. However This is a well made show designed for kids that can apeal for everyone.

    Whoops, forgot to state that its debatable but that I'm just going with the creators here. ??Ah well??like u said it??was long enough anyway.?? To some it up, its originally??designed to have??something for everyone to enjoy vs. designed for kids that can apeal for everyone. Seeming similar yet completely different. That was kinda that point of the whole post, hence all those examples. But if you wanna be direct and everything..... Yep here come them list.

    *Religious subjects???Huh, do I??even wanna touch that? Nah, I think in this case I'll leave it at "banyan tree" or somethin

    *Fanservice-never really cared for it myself, just too aware of the fact that they're nothing but computer images/lead on paper (well maybe hentai or some sh*t like that). I kinda don't wanna??go into this either so, katara with her hair down-katara going swimming-didn't show Zuko with his shirt off for nothing-doesn't have to neccessarily be erotic or somtthing.??Ugh,??still??feel like I should shower or something, no offense to the guys who are into that stuff of course.

    *I was just using the kid thing at that particular point as one example among many (once again it was getting to long) in fact I personally am really ticked at how they seem to belittle kids with some of the stuff on TV (thank God for Avatar). But uh, seriously do you think a 6-year-old would catch it? I'm just askin.

    * Huh, you know i think if you read that last little line I think it'll explain the rest. Perhaps the whole thing.

    Seen longer. ??I think, sortof, maybe, whatever.

    Edited on 09/16/2006 4:33pm
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    dumbTVnut

    [8]Sep 16, 2006
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    Avatar is meant for kids and children in adult???s bodies. If you classify as the latter: live with it, its not wrong??? just embarrassing.
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    metalcurtainrod

    [9]Sep 16, 2006
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    qweasdzse wrote:
    UGamer08 wrote:

    Ok let's clear it up. Saddle in for a good one.??

    The creators have said numerous times since the beginning that despite being on Nick, the writing of Avatar can be enjoyed by all ages. Yes I know you've heard it before but its true this time. Granted the kids were the first to see it (which is why the 6-14 ratings is so strong now), be then I'm guessin some guy over 15 saw it and then I don't talked about it in a board or something and lo, the older Avatar audience was born. Which by the way makes up a large portion of the viewers as well as dominates??the fans consisted on the web and the Avatar fandom in general. Never really liked that word, "fandom", kinda like otuko or whatever. Some would compare this to certain shows on cartoon network, I wouldn't. The thing is, like Avatar some of them contain strong older viewership, but overall most of their shows (non-imported and imported) are directed towards the younger demographic. Lets take Teen Titan for example, I nearly crapped my pants??when I read this,

    "Despite being popular with many viewers, some fans of the comics criticized the series for having a "childish nature". Some cartoon fans disliked the series for its hybrid of western and Japanese-style animation.

    The series' creators stated that younger children were the intended audience for the series. Executive Producer and Cartoon Network V.P. Sam Register responded to such criticism:

    "Justice League is awesome and Samurai Jack is awesome and we buy a lot of anime shows that're great, but those shows really are directed more towards the nine to fourteen age group and the six and seven and eight year olds, were not gelling with the Justice League and some of the more of the fanboy shows... The main mission was making a good superhero show for kids. Now if the fanboys happen to like the Teen Titans also, that's great, but that was not our mission."

    ??? Sam Register, CBR News interview May 8, 2003"

    Freakin-hilarious . Basically they were saying, "Yeah guys we appreciate how much you love the show ...really??but uh see the thing is, Justice League, Samurai Jack, us, yeah they're all great shows and all, but comon, like it or not they're for kids man. Of course??they're??gonna be cartoony a bunchof times, deal with it.??I know its hard but its the truth; dude you guys nothing but a bunch of fanboys." "

    Talk about a kick in the balls. Knew there was a reason I got off that show quick. It is the truth...

    I instead would compare Avatar to something like, oh say Xena (it was with an X right?).??There were times??where they would laugh and play and go crazy with those stupid cheap sound effects, then there were times when??Lucy was graphically chopping off??heads.??Some parts for the younger guys, some??parts for the not.??But??overall, the show made sure there was something??for everyone rather than just focusing on??one specific audience. Avatar does the exact same thing. That's the true reason behind all those let-slow-it-down, cartoony instances, and the filler-ish eps??(only like two overall though).??I mean comon, u really believe the creators think that a 6 year old??comprehends and can automatcially identify??the symbolic purpose behind cutting off topknots? Think man.

    So to wrap all this crap up, its all up to the creators, and??they consider the whole??group. While we may??not enjoy nor require all those??cartoony, tries-way-too-hard-to-be-funny??instances (can't stand em myself), the kids do??so??we'll just have to wait our turn. ...Can't get any simpler.??Luckily, unlike other shows which generally focus on the kids and have a basic??throw-and-we-just-might-happen-to-hit-something-else??relationship with their older audience, if we're patient we'll be greatly rewarded (example: great divide-siege of the north). After how incredibly crappy Avatar Day was who knows how kickass this season's finale will be? ?? Logic by-atch.

    Well anyway lets give it some time and see how it goes. Oh and plus, like it or not, it is??you'know still a cartoon on Nick. ....Yeah.

    What exactly were you trying to with that oversized post.??Are you??trying to prove a point or just flaunting your knowledge. Avatar is by all means a kid show it has little violence, no bad language, no religious or objectionable themes and no fanservice. Its themes are not really that mature and I think that you underestimate a child's comprehension abilities when you say that there things that only an adult would understand could you please enlighten me on these things. However This is a well made show designed for kids that can apeal for everyone.



    Just because you were a genius (sarcasm) when you were 6, doesn't mean that most kids would understand the topknot thing, as well as many other avatar allusions.
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    UGamer08

    [10]Sep 16, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    Avatar is meant for kids and children in adult???s bodies. If you classify as the latter: live with it, its not wrong??? just embarrassing.

    Ope see what I mean? That's that opinion thing again.

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    dumbTVnut

    [11]Sep 16, 2006
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    There are plenty of 100% adult cartoons (not hentai!) that are great, but still if you say you watch them people look at you funny (at least in the USA), so if it is all the same why not watch a kids show anyways, your already damed. "If your on deathrow, whats wrong with killing your room mate?"
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    UGamer08

    [12]Sep 16, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    There are plenty of 100% adult cartoons (not hentai!) that are great, but still if you say you watch them people look at you funny (at least in the USA), so if it is all the same why not watch a kids show anyways, your already damed. "If your on deathrow, whats wrong with killing your room mate?"

    Well if he's Jewish his ghost will haunt for all eternity....or until u pay him that $23.57 back. Nah I don't really beieve (or practice)??that crap. It just makes a good joke. And lo I have described?? both Family Guy's and Comedy Central's reasoning. Do people really look at u funny? Maybe for the hentai.

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    metalcurtainrod

    [13]Sep 16, 2006
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    UGamer08 wrote:

    dumbTVnut wrote:
    There are plenty of 100% adult cartoons (not hentai!) that are great, but still if you say you watch them people look at you funny (at least in the USA), so if it is all the same why not watch a kids show anyways, your already damed. "If your on deathrow, whats wrong with killing your room mate?"

    Well if he's Jewish his ghost will haunt for all eternity....or until u pay him that $23.57 back. Nah I don't really beieve (or practice)??that crap. It just makes a good joke. And lo I have described?? both Family Guy's and Comedy Central's reasoning. Do people really look at u funny? Maybe for the hentai.



    Believe or practice what crap?
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    qweasdzse

    [14]Sep 16, 2006
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    metalcurtainrod wrote:
    qweasdzse wrote:
    UGamer08 wrote:

    Ok let's clear it up. Saddle in for a good one.??

    The creators have said numerous times since the beginning that despite being on Nick, the writing of Avatar can be enjoyed by all ages. Yes I know you've heard it before but its true this time. Granted the kids were the first to see it (which is why the 6-14 ratings is so strong now), be then I'm guessin some guy over 15 saw it and then I don't talked about it in a board or something and lo, the older Avatar audience was born. Which by the way makes up a large portion of the viewers as well as dominates??the fans consisted on the web and the Avatar fandom in general. Never really liked that word, "fandom", kinda like otuko or whatever. Some would compare this to certain shows on cartoon network, I wouldn't. The thing is, like Avatar some of them contain strong older viewership, but overall most of their shows (non-imported and imported) are directed towards the younger demographic. Lets take Teen Titan for example, I nearly crapped my pants??when I read this,

    "Despite being popular with many viewers, some fans of the comics criticized the series for having a "childish nature". Some cartoon fans disliked the series for its hybrid of western and Japanese-style animation.

    The series' creators stated that younger children were the intended audience for the series. Executive Producer and Cartoon Network V.P. Sam Register responded to such criticism:

    "Justice League is awesome and Samurai Jack is awesome and we buy a lot of anime shows that're great, but those shows really are directed more towards the nine to fourteen age group and the six and seven and eight year olds, were not gelling with the Justice League and some of the more of the fanboy shows... The main mission was making a good superhero show for kids. Now if the fanboys happen to like the Teen Titans also, that's great, but that was not our mission."

    ??? Sam Register, CBR News interview May 8, 2003"

    Freakin-hilarious . Basically they were saying, "Yeah guys we appreciate how much you love the show ...really??but uh see the thing is, Justice League, Samurai Jack, us, yeah they're all great shows and all, but comon, like it or not they're for kids man. Of course??they're??gonna be cartoony a bunchof times, deal with it.??I know its hard but its the truth; dude you guys nothing but a bunch of fanboys." "

    Talk about a kick in the balls. Knew there was a reason I got off that show quick. It is the truth...

    I instead would compare Avatar to something like, oh say Xena (it was with an X right?).??There were times??where they would laugh and play and go crazy with those stupid cheap sound effects, then there were times when??Lucy was graphically chopping off??heads.??Some parts for the younger guys, some??parts for the not.??But??overall, the show made sure there was something??for everyone rather than just focusing on??one specific audience. Avatar does the exact same thing. That's the true reason behind all those let-slow-it-down, cartoony instances, and the filler-ish eps??(only like two overall though).??I mean comon, u really believe the creators think that a 6 year old??comprehends and can automatcially identify??the symbolic purpose behind cutting off topknots? Think man.

    So to wrap all this crap up, its all up to the creators, and??they consider the whole??group. While we may??not enjoy nor require all those??cartoony, tries-way-too-hard-to-be-funny??instances (can't stand em myself), the kids do??so??we'll just have to wait our turn. ...Can't get any simpler.??Luckily, unlike other shows which generally focus on the kids and have a basic??throw-and-we-just-might-happen-to-hit-something-else??relationship with their older audience, if we're patient we'll be greatly rewarded (example: great divide-siege of the north). After how incredibly crappy Avatar Day was who knows how kickass this season's finale will be? ?? Logic by-atch.

    Well anyway lets give it some time and see how it goes. Oh and plus, like it or not, it is??you'know still a cartoon on Nick. ....Yeah.

    What exactly were you trying to with that oversized post.??Are you??trying to prove a point or just flaunting your knowledge. Avatar is by all means a kid show it has little violence, no bad language, no religious or objectionable themes and no fanservice. Its themes are not really that mature and I think that you underestimate a child's comprehension abilities when you say that there things that only an adult would understand could you please enlighten me on these things. However This is a well made show designed for kids that can apeal for everyone.

    Just because you were a genius (sarcasm) when you were 6, doesn't mean that most kids would understand the topknot thing, as well as many other avatar allusions.

    My 7 year old younger brother loves this show. I can ask him any event that happened in the show and he understands it perfectly.

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    metalcurtainrod

    [15]Sep 16, 2006
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    qweasdzse wrote:
    metalcurtainrod wrote:
    qweasdzse wrote:
    UGamer08 wrote:

    Ok let's clear it up. Saddle in for a good one.??

    The creators have said numerous times since the beginning that despite being on Nick, the writing of Avatar can be enjoyed by all ages. Yes I know you've heard it before but its true this time. Granted the kids were the first to see it (which is why the 6-14 ratings is so strong now), be then I'm guessin some guy over 15 saw it and then I don't talked about it in a board or something and lo, the older Avatar audience was born. Which by the way makes up a large portion of the viewers as well as dominates??the fans consisted on the web and the Avatar fandom in general. Never really liked that word, "fandom", kinda like otuko or whatever. Some would compare this to certain shows on cartoon network, I wouldn't. The thing is, like Avatar some of them contain strong older viewership, but overall most of their shows (non-imported and imported) are directed towards the younger demographic. Lets take Teen Titan for example, I nearly crapped my pants??when I read this,

    "Despite being popular with many viewers, some fans of the comics criticized the series for having a "childish nature". Some cartoon fans disliked the series for its hybrid of western and Japanese-style animation.

    The series' creators stated that younger children were the intended audience for the series. Executive Producer and Cartoon Network V.P. Sam Register responded to such criticism:

    "Justice League is awesome and Samurai Jack is awesome and we buy a lot of anime shows that're great, but those shows really are directed more towards the nine to fourteen age group and the six and seven and eight year olds, were not gelling with the Justice League and some of the more of the fanboy shows... The main mission was making a good superhero show for kids. Now if the fanboys happen to like the Teen Titans also, that's great, but that was not our mission."

    ??? Sam Register, CBR News interview May 8, 2003"

    Freakin-hilarious . Basically they were saying, "Yeah guys we appreciate how much you love the show ...really??but uh see the thing is, Justice League, Samurai Jack, us, yeah they're all great shows and all, but comon, like it or not they're for kids man. Of course??they're??gonna be cartoony a bunchof times, deal with it.??I know its hard but its the truth; dude you guys nothing but a bunch of fanboys." "

    Talk about a kick in the balls. Knew there was a reason I got off that show quick. It is the truth...

    I instead would compare Avatar to something like, oh say Xena (it was with an X right?).??There were times??where they would laugh and play and go crazy with those stupid cheap sound effects, then there were times when??Lucy was graphically chopping off??heads.??Some parts for the younger guys, some??parts for the not.??But??overall, the show made sure there was something??for everyone rather than just focusing on??one specific audience. Avatar does the exact same thing. That's the true reason behind all those let-slow-it-down, cartoony instances, and the filler-ish eps??(only like two overall though).??I mean comon, u really believe the creators think that a 6 year old??comprehends and can automatcially identify??the symbolic purpose behind cutting off topknots? Think man.

    So to wrap all this crap up, its all up to the creators, and??they consider the whole??group. While we may??not enjoy nor require all those??cartoony, tries-way-too-hard-to-be-funny??instances (can't stand em myself), the kids do??so??we'll just have to wait our turn. ...Can't get any simpler.??Luckily, unlike other shows which generally focus on the kids and have a basic??throw-and-we-just-might-happen-to-hit-something-else??relationship with their older audience, if we're patient we'll be greatly rewarded (example: great divide-siege of the north). After how incredibly crappy Avatar Day was who knows how kickass this season's finale will be? ?? Logic by-atch.

    Well anyway lets give it some time and see how it goes. Oh and plus, like it or not, it is??you'know still a cartoon on Nick. ....Yeah.

    What exactly were you trying to with that oversized post.??Are you??trying to prove a point or just flaunting your knowledge. Avatar is by all means a kid show it has little violence, no bad language, no religious or objectionable themes and no fanservice. Its themes are not really that mature and I think that you underestimate a child's comprehension abilities when you say that there things that only an adult would understand could you please enlighten me on these things. However This is a well made show designed for kids that can apeal for everyone.

    Just because you were a genius (sarcasm) when you were 6, doesn't mean that most kids would understand the topknot thing, as well as many other avatar allusions.

    My 7 year old younger brother loves this show. I can ask him any event that happened in the show and he understands it perfectly.



    You actually quiz him on the show???

    wtf.
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    UGamer08

    [16]Sep 16, 2006
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    Open you're textbooks and turn to book 2 chapter 1. ...Yeah my jokes suck today.
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    Shadow_Flare467

    [17]Sep 16, 2006
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    Although this show is directed to younger kids, it doesn't mean it can't be liked by an older audience.
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    Javier_89

    [18]Sep 16, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    Avatar is meant for kids and children in adult???s bodies. If you classify as the latter: live with it, its not wrong??? just embarrassing.


    Avatar is undoubtably for kids, and the reason why I like it as a 17-year-old is because I am essentially a kid inside. I am able to get immersed in the show's world, which is greater and more fantastic that my own, and enjoy the experience of going on Ang's adventures.

    Avatar is unlike many of the shows shown and previously shown on Nick, in the sense that the eyes of many adults immeadiately gloss over when they see it. When my parents saw me watching rugrats as a kid, they didn't hesitate to sit down with me and watch it (This is good old rugrats, pre-dill, before they were dumbed down). Today, when my parents see my little brother watching Avatar, there reaction is the same to that of a video game, they literally cannot comprehend it. It is unlike anything they have ever seen, and they want nothing to do with it. They could bear traditional sit-com-like format of rugrats, but they just lack the ability to get into Avatar the way a child can.

    Evidence that the writers of Avatar do not try to accomidate the parent/adult as described above is the lack of mature refereces. Rugrats is the perfect example of a show intended for kids, with hidden goodies for adults.

    Example 1: Stu is showing home movies, and the grandpa won't stop complaining about how boring they are. Midway through the first movie, he picks up a phone and says "Yes, Dr. Kevorkian." I doubt that very many viewers in the target audience are familiar with Dr. Kevorkian, who allegedly assisted many to commit suicide.

    Example 2: Stu is talking about how he'll never finish his latest and greatest invention, and Dee Dee asserts, "Did Motzart ever finish his requiem?" Same story as above, only one in a million eight-year-olds would have any idea what she was talking about.

    These just go to shows that the writers of Rugrats were aware of a small minority of mature viewers(namely parents). There is no special effort made to accomedate the "mature" viewers of avatar. Everyone who likes avatar likes it for the same reasons (forget about the really little kids who can't even follow the plot and just like the fights and colors).

    Another way in which avatar fails to appeal to adults is with it's lack of overarching themes and human truths (I haven't been watching for very long, so I may be wrong. Please tell me if you have found deeper meaning in the show). Examples of such "kids" pieces with such real messages include "The Lion King," a personal favorite which stresses the importance of family, duty and responsibility insisting that life comes down to finding and fufilling your role in the world, or "in the circle of life" if you must. Another such work is "Star Wars," which confirms the things that every living person wants to believe in the deepest part of their heart, good will ultimatly prevail over evil despite how dire things may seem, and that despite living a normal and seemingly purposless existance, they have something so uniquely special about them that will help them save the world, and off this rock that they call Tatooine. I know that I can't expect a TV series to compare with some of the greatest movies of all time, I'm just saying that Avatar lacks a feature that made the greatest pieces of Kid's entertainment also pieces of adult entertainment.

    In short, Avatar appeals to some adults, but it lacks the specifically adult jokes of Rugrats, and the deep food for thought of "the Lion King" and "Star Wars." It offers nothing to the majority of the adult population.

    Avatar is for kids, and adults who have retained the ability to get lost in a magical world far removed from there own, an ability I hope to never lose. Also, I couldn't find a good place to mention this, but as far as mature nick shows go, I found the episode of "As Told by Ginger," where she is suspected of being suicidal to be incredibly emotionaly mature, and got the feeling that I wouldn't be able to understand it (the emotion, not the plot) is I were just a few years younger. This is hard proof that nick does take action to specifically accomedatee the teen demographic.

    Final thought: pure speculation: most of the "adults" here are teens like myself, right? Though I can appreciate Avatar as a full-grown-person, I have trouble seeing any real adult (even parents or a 25 year old version of myself) watching Avatar.

    Oh yea, please email me at javierl89@yahoo.com. To talk about Avatar if nothing else. For fear of ostricism, I don't talk about Avatar with any of my friends, and would really like to have someone to talk about it (among other things) with.
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    dumbTVnut

    [19]Sep 16, 2006
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    Or that time when squidward tells spongebob "we do this for 40 years and then we died." Yes there is alot of adult based jokes in many nick shows. (I required to say "WELCOME", there I said it be happy!) what you need is to get *bleep*, here I'll do it to you.
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    Javier_89

    [20]Sep 16, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    Or that time when squidward tells spongebob "we do this for 40 years and then we died." Yes there is alot of adult based jokes in many nick shows. (I required to say "WELCOME", there I said it be happy!) what you need is to get *bleep*, here I'll do it to you.


    Is what I'm saying really so bad
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