Avatar: The Last Airbender: Assault Under the Dark Sun

FreakishChild
[1]Nov 11, 2006
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Last night on Battlestar Galactica the human race was faced with a difficult choice. They had the means to kill the entire Cyclons, a race humans had created to serve them but turned had against their masters and creators and were now hell-bend on the destruction of the human race. The humans could have ended the Cyclons once and for all and has decided too, but it still did not set well with some Galactica crewmates. What the crew of Galactica was commiting was genocide, and it made me think of the Gaang's knowledge of the solar eclipse and a defenseless nation.

Are they right? The Fire Nation is guilty of crimes against humanity, and countless innocents have been murdered by their hands. Women, children, babies, the old, and the crippled, those who can not protect themselves. Like on Battlestar Galactica, our heroes now have the means to turn the tables of the war and show their enemies the definition of devastation. But are they right? For me attacking the Fire Nation while they are at their most valnurable has the distinct flavor of America dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima. The Fire Nation isn't just filled with soldiers, their are civilians living there too. If the Earth Kingdom attacks, will they be content with only soldiers, or shall they march into the homes of civilians too?

For me Aang helping Sokka plot an assault agianst the Fire Nation betrays the Avatar's principles. The Avatar is supposed to be the protector of the four nations and keeper of balance. This leads me to believe the Avatar is meant to be a neutral figure for the most part. It was Roku who told Aang that his duty was to restore balance between the four nations, yet planning to attack the Fire Nation while they are defenseless doesn't seem like it can help fulfill his duty. It is only when one nation disrupts that balance can the Avatar act. The Fire Nation needs to be taken down, but if the Earth Kingdom attacks, it seems as if they also furthering to destroy a chance for balance.

It's like what Wan Shi Tong said: You think you are the first person to believe their war is justified?
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sadist_activst
[2]Nov 11, 2006
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The sooner the war ends the more lives can be saved. They can't just sit by and let the war go on.
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dark_aquatus
[3]Nov 11, 2006
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i agree on the genocide part, they cant just kill all civilians. if u ask me, they should kill the royal family who controlls everything (together with the highest commanders/admirals) and take the taken city's and capitals back. the stolen city's arent full with FN civilians, but with EK/WT civilians, there are just a bunch of FN soldiers to control it... so taken them back wont be a problem, just kill all the soldiers in it
about the original FN lands, i think the most important city's should be taken and supervised, but they should leave the rest of their villages and smaller city's alone. This is very important, cause u dont want another nation take the FN's position. just make sure they wont be able to control theirselfs for a while.
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Lord-darkboy

[4]Nov 11, 2006

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dark_aquatus wrote:

i agree on the genocide part, they cant just kill all civilians. if u ask me, they should kill the royal family who controlls everything (together with the highest commanders/admirals) and take the taken city's and capitals back. the stolen city's arent full with FN civilians, but with EK/WT civilians, there are just a bunch of FN soldiers to control it... so taken them back wont be a problem, just kill all the soldiers in it

about the original FN lands, i think the most important city's should be taken and supervised, but they should leave the rest of their villages and smaller city's alone. This is very important, cause u dont want another nation take the FN's position. just make sure they wont be able to control theirselfs for a while.

ah your talking about the tactics that they did to germany after ww1

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Miroku_of_Nite1
[5]Nov 11, 2006
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I think what Wan Shi Tong meant when he said: You think you are the first person to believe their war is justified?
Was he knew that neither side is really right or wrong as with the case with most wars.
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dark_aquatus
[6]Nov 11, 2006
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Lord-darkboy wrote:

ah your talking about the tactics that they did to germany after ww1

not really... i dont think they should destroy every city and make sure people die because there isnt enough food and money :/
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Hokai
[7]Nov 11, 2006
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I'm not sure what the maker of this thread is getting at. Is he saying we should leave them to cause more tyranny, or just wait for the eclipse to pass so they will crush their enemies and then let them cause more tyranny. The Avatar's gotta do what's best for the greater good. Plus most of the "civillians" are from captured cities.
Besides it's just a cartoon so it really doesn't matter.
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masterofaeons
[8]Nov 11, 2006
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Yeah, I brought up the concept of genocide a few times. There is my speculation of the Guru wanting to meet with the Avatar in order to have the powerful Earthbender redirect Sozin's Meteor into the Fire Nation capitol and end the war by outright murdering the entire race. But I doubt the creators will do anything that dark.

By the way, the title for this thread is awesome.
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Eman5805
[9]Nov 11, 2006
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Whoa...that'll make a great episode...Aang and his Squad are flying by??on Appa and see that the Earth Kingdom is harassing a civilian town...they fly down
Aang: What are you doing? The Fire Nation army isn't in this town. You didn't need to attack them they're innocent.
Earth Kingdom General(who's name I'll make up) Kain: No one in the Fire Nation is innocent. Thanks for the information about the eclipse, Avatar, we wiped them all out in seconds
Aang: No...
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masterofaeons
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Long Feng: Wipe them out. Do what MUST BE DONE!
*Fire Nation kids run up to Aang.*
Kid: Avatar, please! Save us...
*Aang softly glows as he enters the Avatar State*
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FreakishChild
[11]Nov 11, 2006
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I'm a she. I made this thread for discussion purposes. Personally I don't think Aang should let the assault happen, and it bothers me Sokka is so fervent to see it through. As the Avatar, I had assumed Aang had a duty to all four nations, even the Fire Nation. Attacking the Fire Nation during the solar eclipse when they are sitting ducks is going to far in my book. I hope they go further into whether attacking the Fire Nation at their weakest is the right thing or not. Wan Shi Tong brought up a question that needs examining. And can any one recall a past episode where we find that doing the right thing can actually be the hardest choice? I can preach on and on about this, but in the end we all have our own views.
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masterofaeons
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No. You're right. I hope people realize that. Especially the creators who have this to address but are likely to sweep it under the Y-7.
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Eman5805
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Very true, it's easy to forget??that in the end the Avatar's job is to protect ALL the balance between all the bending nations...and wiping out the Firebenders would pretty much be the opposite of what Aang needs to do,??I think a conflict of interests will show it's head once the invasion begins...Earthbenders and Waterbenders would probably want revenge for all the lives the Fire Nation has taken and will attack anyone and everyone in the Fire Nation, while Aang just wantss a diversion for??the Fire Nation army...it'll be nice to see how Book 3 plays out...
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U4ric
[14]Nov 11, 2006
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FC, I believe it is easier for some to have a clear cut villain to want to destroy, however the writers (to me) seem to be making a point of debunking such thinking. If we were to look back at the old promotional trailer (which I can no seem to find right now) the premise seemed to be the tried and true "beat the bad guys" show with Zuko being portrayed as the evil guy. Yet as early as episode 3, the writers began planting the seeds that perhaps all is not how it seems.
Given the apparent turning point for Zuko in the last episode (not that there haven't already been some turning points for him) in addition to hints in previous shows (i.e. the library spirit's words you mentioned), I would find it difficult to believe the destruction of the Fire Nation is what the Avatar is to ultimately do. I'd have to go back to check, but I think Roku mentioned Aang needing to defeat the Fire Lord??(not the Fire Nation) before the arrival of the comet??in order to restore balance.
Sokka has been shown to be somewhat of a one-track mind when it comes to the Fire Nation, but for me he has managed to show some flexibility in his thinking, so I anticipate he will have an experience which may make him question his though process - possibly when he sees his own idea (the lid for the air balloon) being used by the Fire Nation. That of course is a way out speculation. An even more way out there thought would be an ironic turn that Sokka would help the Fire Nation during the eclipse as he sees the Earth Kingdom attack civilians. Again - that is was WAY out there idea.
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UGamer08
[15]Nov 11, 2006
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Wow, you actually watch Battlestar Galatica? No but seriously yeah to sum it up, you gotta keep in mind that the Avatar duty is to restore balance to the world. That'd be pretty hard to do with a big chunk of??a race of people gone. And there's always the chance of an alternate solution, exactly why they're still arguing about what went down in Hiroshima.
Edited on 11/11/2006 1:46pm
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windseeker15
[16]Nov 12, 2006
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I don't think Aang or anyone else wants to wipe out the people of the FN (rememeber how Sokka defended the old man in "Jet"?) The solar eclipse, if anything, would be a time to decimate the military forces and the Fire Lord.

BTW, how long do eclipses last on average? I think a few minutes. So I doubt there would be enough time for a full scale-invasion. Don't forget they still have non-bending soldiers and the most modern technology.
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FreakishChild

[17]Nov 12, 2006

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windseeker15 wrote:

I don't think Aang or anyone else wants to wipe out the people of the FN (rememeber how Sokka defended the old man in "Jet"?) The solar eclipse, if anything, would be a time to decimate the military forces and the Fire Lord.

BTW, how long do eclipses last on average? I think a few minutes. So I doubt there would be enough time for a full scale-invasion. Don't forget they still have non-bending soldiers and the most modern technology.

I don't know if I said this earlier, but Sokka really needs to think this through instead of rushing it. So good observation!

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Inu_Rose
[18]Nov 17, 2006
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Yeah, I don't think Sokka's intent on whipping out the fire nation. He was STRONGLY against it in the episode Jet. So I think it's just to be taken has a military strategy, a chance for the earth nation to run the fire nation out of their homes. I can see how this plan might go horribly wrong though.
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