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And the Earth King is... [THEORY/POLL]

Who do you think is the Earth King?

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    JasonG2006

    [1]Nov 6, 2006
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    From the man who brought you the Birth of Aang theory...

    Yet again, I have a theory...

    Most people have probably considered that the Earth King will be a new man, but I think it's an aforementioned character, I think it's Iroh's one and only son, Lu Ten. I may be wrong. This is pure speculation. The following screenshots are courtesy of AvatarSpirit.Net.

    The Earth King:


    Lu Ten:


    As you can see, they look similar. Even though Lu Ten is a painting, it resembles the Earth King's shadowed face. The only difference is the chin. Lu Ten has a flat chin, while the Earth King's is pointed. Plus, Lu Ten's face is more square, while the Earth King's is vertically elongated. The factors that variate our thinking are: animation style, real versus painted-on-paper, zoom, and position. So there remains a slight possibility that they are the same person.

    Okay, you are all probably thinking I'm crazy because as we all think, Lu Ten is dead. But no one really has clearly specified his death. Iroh always mentions that he lost his son, not necessarily that he died. In Zuko Alone, when Ursa receives mail from the war front confirming that "Lu Ten did not survive the battle." This doesn't mean that Lu Ten died during battle, maybe it means he escaped the battle before it ended, perhaps captured by the Dai Li. Did you notice that Iroh knew where Lake Laogai was and, most importantly, that there were prison cells under it? He may have come as far as Lake Laogai during his 600-day siege, unfortunately for the Fire Nation, being expunged before reaching the Inner wall of Ba Sing Se. Maybe there is a complex story of what may have happened with Iroh and Lu Ten under Lake Laogai. For example, the Dai Li may have executeed Lu Ten while brainwashed Iroh watched.

    Think about how complicated the story plot would become, and for Iroh to find out, its a heck of alot to take in. Lets hope we find out in Book 2-Chapter 18-The Earth King. But why would the Ba Sing Se government, mainly Long Feng, want a Fire Nation prince [Lu Ten] to be their Earth King? Perhaps Lu Ten was against the war. Perhaps Lu Ten was brainwashed during all these years. Maybe there is a well thought out plan by Long Feng for throning Lu Ten, Long Feng could not betray a fellow Earth Kingdom citizen and appointed a brainwashed man from the Fire Nation putting the Fire Nation at an akward position during their interaction with Ba Sing Se. Something along those lines, its complicated to think this through.

    Try it, what do you think? How would Iroh respond if his son Lu Ten weren't really dead, but the Earth King of Ba Sing Se(if he was)? How would Zuko and the Aang gang? How would Ba Sing Se? How would the world?

    I'll continue to update the theory, especially after what we could come across in Book 2-Chapter 18-The Earth King. Post your thoughts here. Thanks!

    *Remember this is pure speculation
    Edited on 11/06/2006 3:25pm
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    SapphireStones

    [2]Nov 6, 2006
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    Why, in some scary and puzzzling way, does your theory make sense?

    I am very impressed...
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    phoenixfirework

    [3]Nov 6, 2006
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    Why are so many people speculating that the Earth King is not the Earth King. He is simply the EARTH KING. Here is a picture of him:

    See, not Lu Ten or a Joo Dee.
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    StaraeGhost9259

    [4]Nov 6, 2006
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    Wow, that is really well thought out, and you did convince me of the possibility. They do look similar, though the chin thing did kind of put me on the fence.

    I definitely think the Earth King will be a character we've already seen/ heard of, I think that would be very interesting and entertaining, just like Boomi was someone from Aang's past. Lu Ten is a pretty (excuse the '60s expression) far out conclusion, but with the facts you've presented, it's definitely a possible one.

    The thing I would like most if this theory came true would be to see everyone's reactions, especially Iroh, Zuko second. It would really add alot more emotional depth to Iroh's character, and I'd love to see how Zuko responds. Keep on updating !
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    JasonG2006

    [5]Nov 6, 2006
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    phoenixfirework wrote:
    Why are so many people speculating that the Earth King is not the Earth King. He is simply the EARTH KING. Here is a picture of him:

    See, not Lu Ten or a Joo Dee.

    Yeah, propoganda of the Earth King was my second choice, he's just a figurehead that has a important-sounding identity, and Long Feng controls him like a puppet.
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    Songoftheskies

    [6]Nov 6, 2006
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    I saw a??a fanfiction story??about that, but I don't think she meant it.
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    Colonel_Brian

    [7]Nov 6, 2006
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    JasonG2006 wrote:
    From the man who brought you the Birth of Aang theory...

    Yet again, I have a theory...

    Most people have probably considered that the Earth King will be a new man, but I think it's an aforementioned character, I think it's Iroh's one and only son, Lu Ten. I may be wrong. This is pure speculation. The following screenshots are courtesy of AvatarSpirit.Net.

    The Earth King:


    Lu Ten:


    As you can see, they look similar. Even though Lu Ten is a painting, it resembles the Earth King's shadowed face. The only difference is the chin. Lu Ten has a flat chin, while the Earth King's is pointed. Plus, Lu Ten's face is more square, while the Earth King's is vertically elongated. The factors that variate our thinking are: animation style, real versus painted-on-paper, zoom, and position. So there remains a slight possibility that they are the same person.

    Okay, you are all probably thinking I'm crazy because as we all think, Lu Ten is dead. But no one really has clearly specified his death. Iroh always mentions that he lost his son, not necessarily that he died. In Zuko Alone, when Ursa receives mail from the war front confirming that "Lu Ten did not survive the battle." This doesn't mean that Lu Ten died during battle, maybe it means he escaped the battle before it ended, perhaps captured by the Dai Li. Did you notice that Iroh knew where Lake Laogai was and, most importantly, that there were prison cells under it? He may have come as far as Lake Laogai during his 600-day siege, unfortunately for the Fire Nation, being expunged before reaching the Inner wall of Ba Sing Se. Maybe there is a complex story of what may have happened with Iroh and Lu Ten under Lake Laogai. For example, the Dai Li may have executeed Lu Ten while brainwashed Iroh watched.

    Think about how complicated the story plot would become, and for Iroh to find out, its a heck of alot to take in. Lets hope we find out in Book 2-Chapter 18-The Earth King. But why would the Ba Sing Se government, mainly Long Feng, want a Fire Nation prince [Lu Ten] to be their Earth King? Perhaps Lu Ten was against the war. Perhaps Lu Ten was brainwashed during all these years. Maybe there is a well thought out plan by Long Feng for throning Lu Ten, Long Feng could not betray a fellow Earth Kingdom citizen and appointed a brainwashed man from the Fire Nation putting the Fire Nation at an akward position during their interaction with Ba Sing Se. Something along those lines, its complicated to think this through.

    Try it, what do you think? How would Iroh respond if his son Lu Ten weren't really dead, but the Earth King of Ba Sing Se(if he was)? How would Zuko and the Aang gang? How would Ba Sing Se? How would the world?

    I'll continue to update the theory, especially after what we could come across in Book 2-Chapter 18-The Earth King. Post your thoughts here. Thanks!

    *Remember this is pure speculation

    Okay you win Jason ya convinced me Lu Ten may be the Earth King the look so alike except no side burns and glasses I still think the Earth King is a new character but your convicing me.

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    edmasterchaos

    [8]Nov 6, 2006
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    lu ten was captured by the earth kingdom, and the FN just assumed that they killed him, but as the times went, they decided that the hipnotized lu ten would be a good image for earth king, wich will be a great thing if iroh found it out, imagine in earth king,

    super rich dude that gave iroh his shop (srdtgihs) : iroh, your tea is so famouse that you have been invited to..... a party of the earth king (for a seccond you thought i was going to say lake laogai right?) were you will serve your tea for him

    iroh: im honored but i dont think i should accept

    srdtgihs: not only would you go to the uppest ring of ba sing se, you would also have shops all around the city, and in some other cities too

    iroh: ok then it's settled

    at the party

    iroh: (talking to some acne filled dude that works there or something) let me serve the tea for the king

    safdtwtos: sure

    iroh: i am honored to meet you, here is your (sees face of the EK) SON!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    all: GASP

    random voice: why are you giving a kid to the earth king?

    Edited on 11/06/2006 4:04pm
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    JasonG2006

    [9]Nov 6, 2006
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    Colonel_Brian wrote:

    JasonG2006 wrote:
    From the man who brought you the Birth of Aang theory...

    Yet again, I have a theory...

    Most people have probably considered that the Earth King will be a new man, but I think it's an aforementioned character, I think it's Iroh's one and only son, Lu Ten. I may be wrong. This is pure speculation. The following screenshots are courtesy of AvatarSpirit.Net.

    The Earth King:


    Lu Ten:


    As you can see, they look similar. Even though Lu Ten is a painting, it resembles the Earth King's shadowed face. The only difference is the chin. Lu Ten has a flat chin, while the Earth King's is pointed. Plus, Lu Ten's face is more square, while the Earth King's is vertically elongated. The factors that variate our thinking are: animation style, real versus painted-on-paper, zoom, and position. So there remains a slight possibility that they are the same person.

    Okay, you are all probably thinking I'm crazy because as we all think, Lu Ten is dead. But no one really has clearly specified his death. Iroh always mentions that he lost his son, not necessarily that he died. In Zuko Alone, when Ursa receives mail from the war front confirming that "Lu Ten did not survive the battle." This doesn't mean that Lu Ten died during battle, maybe it means he escaped the battle before it ended, perhaps captured by the Dai Li. Did you notice that Iroh knew where Lake Laogai was and, most importantly, that there were prison cells under it? He may have come as far as Lake Laogai during his 600-day siege, unfortunately for the Fire Nation, being expunged before reaching the Inner wall of Ba Sing Se. Maybe there is a complex story of what may have happened with Iroh and Lu Ten under Lake Laogai. For example, the Dai Li may have executeed Lu Ten while brainwashed Iroh watched.

    Think about how complicated the story plot would become, and for Iroh to find out, its a heck of alot to take in. Lets hope we find out in Book 2-Chapter 18-The Earth King. But why would the Ba Sing Se government, mainly Long Feng, want a Fire Nation prince [Lu Ten] to be their Earth King? Perhaps Lu Ten was against the war. Perhaps Lu Ten was brainwashed during all these years. Maybe there is a well thought out plan by Long Feng for throning Lu Ten, Long Feng could not betray a fellow Earth Kingdom citizen and appointed a brainwashed man from the Fire Nation putting the Fire Nation at an akward position during their interaction with Ba Sing Se. Something along those lines, its complicated to think this through.

    Try it, what do you think? How would Iroh respond if his son Lu Ten weren't really dead, but the Earth King of Ba Sing Se(if he was)? How would Zuko and the Aang gang? How would Ba Sing Se? How would the world?

    I'll continue to update the theory, especially after what we could come across in Book 2-Chapter 18-The Earth King. Post your thoughts here. Thanks!

    *Remember this is pure speculation

    Okay you win Jason ya convinced me Lu Ten may be the Earth King the look so alike except no side burns and glasses I still think the Earth King is a new character but your convicing me.


    Well they could have shaved it off and the spectacles are just fashion and a symbol of royalty . Heck they could have given him plastic surgery, okay maybe not that, but who knows? If the Earth King is new, I at least want him to have some connection with the stories' plot untill now.
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    Tv-man117

    [10]Nov 6, 2006
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    Ive always wanted King Bumi to be the soul ruler of the earth kingdom. Then have him killed maybe in a battle with the fire lord. Then once he died it would allow Long Feng to take control and force the strict rules on Ba sing se and create the illusion that he is still alive. Once he is defeated the kids would find out that Bumi had an heir to the throne and it could be some sort of twist. I like the idea of Haru being it but he would have to be a little older for it to work.
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    JasonG2006

    [11]Nov 6, 2006
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    edmasterchaos wrote:

    lu ten was captured by the earth kingdom, and the FN just assumed that they killed him, but as the times went, they decided that the hipnotized lu ten would be a good image for earth king, wich will be a great thing if iroh found it out, imagine in earth king,

    super rich dude that gave iroh his shop (srdtgihs) : iroh, your tea is so famouse that you have been invited to..... a party of the earth king (for a seccond you thought i was going to say lake laogai right?) were you will serve your tea for him

    iroh: im honored but i dont think i should accept

    srdtgihs: not only would you go to the uppest ring of ba sing se, you would also have shops all around the city, and in some other cities too

    iroh: ok then it's settled

    at the party

    iroh: (talking to some acne filled dude that works there or something) let me serve the tea for the tea

    safdtwtos: sure

    iroh: i am honored to meat you, here is your (sees face of the EK) SON!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    all: GASP

    random voice: why are you giving a kid to the earth king?


    You had me going at first but then it became unbelievable . Even that I'm sure that is not the way they may meet, I think it will be much more complicated. But you do have an idea that has me convinced. What if the Ba Sing Se corporate shop buyer is indirectly leading Iroh to the Earth King, who might as well be Lu Ten?
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    JasonG2006

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    Tv-man117 wrote:
    Ive always wanted King Bumi to be the soul ruler of the earth kingdom. Then have him killed maybe in a battle with the fire lord. Then once he died it would allow Long Feng to take control and force the strict rules on Ba sing se and create the illusion that he is still alive. Once he is defeated the kids would find out that Bumi had an heir to the throne and it could be some sort of twist. I like the idea of Haru being it but he would have to be a little older for it to work.

    I'm not really a fan of Bumi, I don't hate him or anything, but I like to see characters with a deeper connection into the crux of the plot such as Sozin, Lu Ten, or Ty Lee(if she were an airbender). I don't think Haru is King Bumi's son, or would be elected by the citizens of Ba Sing Se as Earth King . Having a soul ruler of the Earth Kingdom would be too difficult to control, like what happened to the Roman empire, we would need to split it like Diocletian did. I guess King Bumi and the Earth King are the two major rulers of the Earth Kingdom, but I'd like to see it dig deeper.
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    grundy_03

    [13]Nov 6, 2006
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    if it really is him and he is the king and he is brainwashed then perhaps he will kill one of the characters (iroh?) it would make an interesting storyline and develop a new "villain" character perhaps for a new season
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    phoenixfirework

    [14]Nov 6, 2006
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    Again, look at the picture.


    And why the hell would the EK keep Lu Ten to be their king. It makes no sense.
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    JasonG2006

    [15]Nov 6, 2006
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    phoenixfirework wrote:
    Again, look at the picture.


    And why the hell would the EK keep Lu Ten to be their king. It makes no sense.

    I agree their face outline looks different. And Maybe Lu Ten is not the Earth King, but hey it's something to think about at least. By the way for the reason, EK would want Lu Ten to be Earth king, I bet you it's all part of Long Feng's master plot, to ward off the fire nation via confusion. :O Or maybe it's just a big misunderstanding!? Mike and Bryan and the rest of the team are sure good at keeping up speculation...
    I don't want the Earth King to go as far as killing someone, maybe dramatically changing someone or something...
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    phoenixfirework

    [16]Nov 6, 2006
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    Even if Lu Ten is somehow the EK king for whatever reason, Ozai, Azula, or whoever is loyal to them, would kill Lu Ten so that Ozai and then Azula will remain in control.
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    JasonG2006

    [17]Nov 6, 2006
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    phoenixfirework wrote:
    Even if Lu Ten is somehow the EK king for whatever reason, Ozai, Azula, or whoever is loyal to them, would kill Lu Ten so that Ozai and then Azula will remain in control.

    That is if they find out..or notice him. Obviously the Earth King would have protection, untill he unleashes his firebending power lol
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    mithrandir11

    [18]Nov 6, 2006
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    I really like your theory.
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    JasonG2006

    [19]Nov 6, 2006
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    mithrandir11 wrote:
    I really like your theory.

    Thanks . The possibilities remain endless...
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    BarrettJayjohn

    [20]Nov 6, 2006
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    i think it very well may be Lu Ten
    nice theory
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