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    gilvatar

    [21]Dec 5, 2006
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    IceMasterZ wrote:
    Another thing is, why hasn't anyone noticed whats going on here its so obvious. The whole plot for Zuko is for him to try and regain his honour and more importantly for things to go back to way they were. And thats wot the writters are showing Zuko making that decision and returning his honour??but thing is things aren't always the same as you remember them and he will soon??realise it wasn't worth??returning to his old way of life with his deciteful sister and disapproving father??and he??will change his mind. I'm not saying he will join Aang, he??SHOULD diffinately not but will choose a new destiny.??
    i have no idea why I'm tacking this on to yours but...... just a thought, why would Azula want to share credit with Zuko? she could easily say she captured him in the same battle and get more than all the credit. I don't think Zuko is gulible enough to not think of this, do you? so why would he join her? plan? maybe.
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    qweasdzse

    [22]Dec 5, 2006
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    Zuko's decision shound't be something that will just blow over this should effect the rest of the series like the defining moment it is. These theories of Zuko betraying Azula are just feelings of the fans clouding thier judgment.
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    IceMasterZ

    [23]Dec 5, 2006
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    gilvatar wrote:
    IceMasterZ wrote:
    Another thing is, why hasn't anyone noticed whats going on here its so obvious. The whole plot for Zuko is for him to try and regain his honour and more importantly for things to go back to way they were. And thats wot the writters are showing Zuko making that decision and returning his honour??but thing is things aren't always the same as you remember them and he will soon??realise it wasn't worth??returning to his old way of life with his deciteful sister and disapproving father??and he??will change his mind. I'm not saying he will join Aang, he??SHOULD diffinately not but will choose a new destiny.??
    i have no idea why I'm tacking this on to yours but...... just a thought, why would Azula want to share credit with Zuko? she could easily say she captured him in the same battle and get more than all the credit. I don't think Zuko is gulible enough to not think of this, do you? so why would he join her? plan? maybe.
    Who says she is for all we know she could say she captured him and took the city by herself but she probably won't because she won't need to shes already got what she wanted she has secured herself as the next fire lord/lady shes probably planned with Pzai to do the same as he did to Iroh. don't take anything i said too seriously just some thoughts.
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    gunswordfist

    [24]Dec 5, 2006
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    sifuIroh wrote:

    gunswordfist wrote:
    IceMasterZ wrote:
    Am I practically the only one who is happy Zuko helped Azula. I know many were disapointed but come on did you really expect him to join the gang. If he had??the show??would have become boring anyway he's probably going to change during the end of season after facing his father. At least now we finally get to see what really goes on in the heart to the fire nation. Come on you Agni-Kai's.
    I'm ESTATIC that??Zuko helped Azula. It would have been dull if he did what too many ppl wanted him to do. I don't like Azula at all, but Zuko returning to his villainious self was easily the greatest moment of the season finale. So repeat after me: ALL HAIL PRINCE ZUKO!!!!!!

    totally agree would not change a single thing about the season finale.

    season one left us feeling all warm and hopefull.

    this is more like brave heart when the hero has to flee and re-group after a devastaing battle.
    I know what you mean. Once I think about it, this could mean that the gang could try to gather all the help they can to beat the FN. And this will create a very intense battle.
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    IceMasterZ

    [25]Dec 6, 2006
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    gunswordfist wrote:
    sifuIroh wrote:

    gunswordfist wrote:
    IceMasterZ wrote:
    Am I practically the only one who is happy Zuko helped Azula. I know many were disapointed but come on did you really expect him to join the gang. If he had??the show??would have become boring anyway he's probably going to change during the end of season after facing his father. At least now we finally get to see what really goes on in the heart to the fire nation. Come on you Agni-Kai's.
    I'm ESTATIC that??Zuko helped Azula. It would have been dull if he did what too many ppl wanted him to do. I don't like Azula at all, but Zuko returning to his villainious self was easily the greatest moment of the season finale. So repeat after me: ALL HAIL PRINCE ZUKO!!!!!!

    totally agree would not change a single thing about the season finale.

    season one left us feeling all warm and hopefull.

    this is more like brave heart when the hero has to flee and re-group after a devastaing battle.
    I know what you mean. Once I think about it, this could mean that the gang could try to gather all the help they can to beat the FN. And this will create a very intense battle.
    Yeah this was really the only way this season should have ended.
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    gilvatar

    [26]Dec 6, 2006
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    IceMasterZ wrote:
    gilvatar wrote:
    IceMasterZ wrote:
    Another thing is, why hasn't anyone noticed whats going on here its so obvious. The whole plot for Zuko is for him to try and regain his honour and more importantly for things to go back to way they were. And thats wot the writters are showing Zuko making that decision and returning his honour??but thing is things aren't always the same as you remember them and he will soon??realise it wasn't worth??returning to his old way of life with his deciteful sister and disapproving father??and he??will change his mind. I'm not saying he will join Aang, he??SHOULD diffinately not but will choose a new destiny.??
    i have no idea why I'm tacking this on to yours but...... just a thought, why would Azula want to share credit with Zuko? she could easily say she captured him in the same battle and get more than all the credit. I don't think Zuko is gulible enough to not think of this, do you? so why would he join her? plan? maybe.
    Who says she is for all we know she could say she captured him and took the city by herself but she probably won't because she won't need to shes already got what she wanted she has secured herself as the next fire lord/lady shes probably planned with Pzai to do the same as he did to Iroh. don't take anything i said too seriously just some thoughts.
    that's my point Mr.Neby
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    gamerfreak2

    [27]Dec 6, 2006
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    When the next season rolls around and this whole "Azula Zuko alliance "??thing isnt going to last very long. at the end zuko was talking about how he felt that he betrayed iroh and stuff. also Azula was sitting on the chair, not zuko. wonder how this will make zuko feel?

    If zuko returned home to his father and he restored his honor, but made azula next fire lord/lady, whats zuko gonna do? theres no way hes jus gonna let azula take "his" throne that hes worked so hard to gain back

    or

    he could return home and his father denys him what would happen them? would he go back to hunting the avatar?

    p.s.??Wheres iroh?

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    Neurosylum

    [28]Dec 6, 2006
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    gamerfreak2 wrote:

    When the next season rolls around and this whole "Azula Zuko alliance " thing isnt going to last very long. at the end zuko was talking about how he felt that he betrayed iroh and stuff. also Azula was sitting on the chair, not zuko. wonder how this will make zuko feel?

    If zuko returned home to his father and he restored his honor, but made azula next fire lord/lady, whats zuko gonna do? theres no way hes jus gonna let azula take "his" throne that hes worked so hard to gain back

    or

    he could return home and his father denys him what would happen them? would he go back to hunting the avatar?

    p.s. Wheres iroh?


    Iroh? Iroh's at the mercy of Azula & Zuko.

    Besides, there's no way Ozai would let Zuko back in. And what about Azula disobeying her father's orders? She wouldn't look so good, either.

    Zuko won't be a prince, again, and will probably be decieved by Azula, again.
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    s_veda5

    [29]Dec 6, 2006
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    When Zuko comes back and joins the fight Katara says she thought Zuko had changed .. Zuko tells that he had changed. Zuko is no longer confused and now knows exactly what he needs to do. In the same episode it is shown that fighting Azula is not a good idea. I don't think Zuko's destiny is to help Aang in defeating Fire Lord and becoming the Fire Nation King. He is the Earth king ruling the World. Hail Earth King Zuko.
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    toph_rox_ur_sox

    [31]Dec 6, 2006
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    Morwain wrote:
    I don't think he really sided with Azula I think he really sided with Uncle Iroh and the others. I believe he and Iroh have a plan to take down Azula and to do that Zuko has to gain Azula's trust something Iroh could not do himself but, trusted the newly reformed Zuko to do. I think Zuko should become good weither he is a part of the gang is completely different than just becoming good.

    rock on

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    IceMasterZ

    [32]Dec 6, 2006
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    Zuko doesn't care about this Azula/Zuko alliance all he wants is his honor back and to be able to return home. He challenged Azula to an agni-kai before he got captured. The ONLY reason he joined was to capture the avatar and restore his honor but Iroh disapproved of that path.
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    gunswordfist

    [33]Dec 6, 2006
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    IceMasterZ wrote:
    gunswordfist wrote:
    sifuIroh wrote:

    gunswordfist wrote:
    IceMasterZ wrote:
    Am I practically the only one who is happy Zuko helped Azula. I know many were disapointed but come on did you really expect him to join the gang. If he had??the show??would have become boring anyway he's probably going to change during the end of season after facing his father. At least now we finally get to see what really goes on in the heart to the fire nation. Come on you Agni-Kai's.
    I'm ESTATIC that??Zuko helped Azula. It would have been dull if he did what too many ppl wanted him to do. I don't like Azula at all, but Zuko returning to his villainious self was easily the greatest moment of the season finale. So repeat after me: ALL HAIL PRINCE ZUKO!!!!!!

    totally agree would not change a single thing about the season finale.

    season one left us feeling all warm and hopefull.

    this is more like brave heart when the hero has to flee and re-group after a devastaing battle.
    I know what you mean. Once I think about it, this could mean that the gang could try to gather all the help they can to beat the FN. And this will create a very intense battle.
    Yeah this was really the only way this season should have ended.
    Yep, it's much better than the gang joining up with Zuko and Iroh and then they would have a rushed fight to take the Dai Li and Azula out of BSS.
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    Neurosylum

    [34]Dec 6, 2006
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    toph_rox_ur_sox wrote:

    Morwain wrote:
    I don't think he really sided with Azula I think he really sided with Uncle Iroh and the others. I believe he and Iroh have a plan to take down Azula and to do that Zuko has to gain Azula's trust something Iroh could not do himself but, trusted the newly reformed Zuko to do. I think Zuko should become good weither he is a part of the gang is completely different than just becoming good.

    rock on


    Really? But that face Zuko made in the end looked more like remorse for his actions. Zuko was never the one that thought things through as well as the consequences, so he was probably thinking he made a mistake.
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    IceMasterZ

    [35]Dec 7, 2006
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    Neurosylum wrote:
    toph_rox_ur_sox wrote:

    Morwain wrote:
    I don't think he really sided with Azula I think he really sided with Uncle Iroh and the others. I believe he and Iroh have a plan to take down Azula and to do that Zuko has to gain Azula's trust something Iroh could not do himself but, trusted the newly reformed Zuko to do. I think Zuko should become good weither he is a part of the gang is completely different than just becoming good.

    rock on


    Really? But that face Zuko made in the end looked more like remorse for his actions. Zuko was never the one that thought things through as well as the consequences, so he was probably thinking he made a mistake.
    True very true
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    [36]Dec 8, 2006
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    Okay, I think the big thing that fans are forgetting when they talk about Zuko's supposed betrayal of Iroh is the fact that there is a war going on during all of this and if the series ends as it should and the avatar defeats the fire nation in the war you still have a relatively dangerous situation. You have an entire nation of people who are angry, confused and their most powerful leaders/heroes have been over thrown. These people or at least a good deal of them probably won't elect to follow the avatar's rule willingly; mostly because he is a foreigner and has been portrayed as their greatest enemy for the past 100 years. That is where Zuko comes in. Zuko, now being slightly more humane because of his earlier transformation "into the beautiful prince he was always meant to become" wasn't just thinking about his own safety when he had to chose between joining Azula or Iroh; but also about the worlds. He realized that for the Fire Nation to finally make peace with the other nations a leader who was against the war and who was popular with the people would have to step up. Azula even mentions some of these talks of rebellion and people looking for a good leader in The Avatar State " He???s heard rumors of plans to overthrow him???treacherous plots. Family are the only ones you can really trust." So Zuko knows that there are some people looking for a leader. Zuko also knows that the only way for him to get to those people, and show them that he is with them is by getting into the Fire Nation; and the only way he can get into the Fire Nation without risking his life is by gaining his honor back; which is exactly what Azula offers him in the season finale. That's why he chose Azula. Its also my thought that he didn't share any of this with Iroh; and that's the reason for the angry looks from Iroh at the end of the episode.

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    Nutkin13

    [37]Dec 8, 2006
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    I don't think Zuko is truly evil yet.?? The entire second season dealt with his metamorphosis into a better person, so it would be really disappointing if he just went back to being a villain like all that didn't matter.?? So I don't think he's quite decided, especially since he seemed to wonder whether he did the right thing at the end.?? Maybe he is just doing it to try to get into the fire nation and to try to bring down Azula, because he'd have to be pretty stupid to believe Azula again.?? The same thing happened earlier in the season when Azula pretended that their father wanted him home when she really wanted to take him prisoner.?? It seems like he would have learned that he can't trust her by now.

    Personally I'm glad Zuko chose what he did.?? I think it would be weird for him to join the gang, and this adds a nice little twist to the story.?? We still can't be sure which path he's going to take.

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